"The people closest to the pain should be closest to the power."
godfuckingdamnit ain't that the truth.
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New York Primary: Ocasio-Cortez Defeats Incumbent Joe Crowley
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"The people closest to the pain should be closest to the power."
godfuckingdamnit ain't that the truth.
Looking at the candidates page for the Justice Democrats is giving me goosebumps. Candidates from many races are presented. Looking at it makes you wonder what an ideal version of congress in the US would look like and that candidate makeup is it.
https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates
https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates
Not job guarantee but on the education part (it's about ease of access):
https://www.investopedia.com/articl...-countries-virtually-free-college-tuition.asp
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I just relocated to Omaha where Kara Eastman also just pulled an upset against a Dem incumbent. Won't be as easy here in Nebraska for a W though. She's gonna need help.
She's charismatic and is a natural fit for Dem leadership positions whether that's house leadership or eventual president. I just know the sooner it comes the better.
Was going to quote that myself. Damn make that a slogan. Good stuff.
Explain. 86% of all marxists I know have a degree in economics, and 67% have it from Boston (Ocasio Cortez has a degree from Pardee at BU)... wouldn't be shocked if they have David Harvey in the curriculum.
His audience is more of the mindset that it's those other senior who shouldn't get support, not me.
Her ideas are straight from Marx. They resulted in the poverty and ultimately death of millions of people in the last hundred years. They've never worked and it won't work today. I'm sad for our country and New York.
WTF at those yt comments
WTF at those yt comments
Marx was good at identifying problems, but not addressing or analyzing them. Modern economics' basic concepts (trade is not zero sum, private ownership is generally good but imperfect and needs regulation) goes really hard against the foundations of Marxist thinking. Both it and the Austrian school (on the right) are not going to be considered legitimate means of analysis in today's world.
SocDems, by contrast, are completely within the left part of the normal economic opinion spectrum.
She will be one vote in the entire House of Representatives and she may help introduce leftist programs and legislation in her two year tenure in a likely Democratic House next year.
Her voice is important, but also don't pretend that this means the introduction of "commie" politics in the US.
Yeah, I see so many corpses in the streets of Norway everyday and statues of Marx everywhere.
The fact her common sense policies are being portrayed as a negative instead of the basic fucking standard of running a country is exactly why America isn't worth shit. Never will be shit. And needs to fucking die.
Fuck this country with the longest dick on Earth. You don't know how insane these people are that live here and actually posses power.
She has my full 100% support, but to see this reaction to basic human rights and support means this goddamn country is lower than dirt. Means nothing in my eyes.
Supposed American values my ass.
Fuck this country with the longest dick on Earth. You don't know how insane these people are that live here and actually posses power.
She has my full 100% support, but to see this reaction to basic human rights and support means this goddamn country is lower than dirt. Means nothing in my eyes.
Supposed American values my ass.
Which of her platform ideas are "straight from Marx" in your reading?
Insofar as I have seen she might use same analytic language of Marx, esp. coming back to the concept of "class" and adamantly not separating it from race/gender when talking about opression, but none of her platform ideas are straight from Marx in my reading.
Edit: ignore just saw you quote YT...
Yeah ok, I feel pretty confident having listened to her especially when she talks about opression and class that she is well familiar with a marxist framing of capitalism - and my point above was that it would not be surprising if she has acquired part of that vocabulary through her studies at BU/Pardee in IR/economics (I think it has been mentioned her degree is in international relations w. focus on economics). Can be said that economics, no matter which slant, is not really good for addressing much anything no matter the context, I say this as an economist. They would also probably not really be teaching economics as an applied science but likely go through different framings and theories, which probably includes both Austrian school and Marx. A marxist framing is still useful in analyzing capitalism as a system, not sure how you would identify problems without analyzing them?
Case of point from Pardee: http://www.bu.edu/european/tag/david-harvey/ and http://www.bu.edu/european/2017/04/...st-political-age-a-lecture-by-chantal-mouffe/ which is at least indicative that they have faculty at Pardee IR with marxist framing (since they have invited two of the foremost neo-Marxist theorists)
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So when Real Time comes back on August 3rd, Bill's guest will include Alexandria and...Steve Schmidt. The guy that just compared her politics to Trumpism.
Hmm I dunno, as a Social Democrat myself (I would go so far as to say that the presence of actual socialists on a forums for an industry as peak capitalist as video games is...interesting), some of the most educated people I know in Economics and mathematics are Marxists and/or socialists (university professors).
My bet is 2032 or 2036 (depending on if there's a Democratic Incumbent in 2032)
And she's definitely getting a speaking slot at the 2020 DNC.
You can't escape capitalism. Do you expect socialists to not enjoy entertainment?
You're totally right, I was just being a bit of a snarky ass :p I was a socialist myself once, and I do tend to be supportive of the cause just because the overton window is so far right that socialist voices can help move it left.
https://youtu.be/rq3QXIVR0bs
Look at her messaging. This is legit electrifying. She actually cares about her community and you can feel the anger in her voice.
Look at her messaging. This is legit electrifying. She actually cares about her community and you can feel the anger in her voice.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/...lenger-criticizes-gabbard-for-ducking-debate/
Please oh please let history repeat itself
Please oh please let history repeat itself
nah man, her ideas a vanilla Left to Center-Left from an intentional standpoint.
The US is too Far-Right, you need a bit of jarring towards to Left to re-balance that country.
ordinary establishment Democrats are Center to Center-Right, from an international standpoint.
How does the DNC organize that? If she comes in and the party brass are set against her, would they give her spotlight?
I'm all for breaking up entrenched centrist candidates.
I just hope that:
A. The new blood of politicians like Cortez show some competence at their position when it finally comes time to go to work.
B. This anti-establishment attitude doesn't carry over to 2020. It's pretty much gonna be a election with binary options, and we don't need to see 2016 happen again just because we may not get the disruptive candidate we want.
I just hope that:
A. The new blood of politicians like Cortez show some competence at their position when it finally comes time to go to work.
B. This anti-establishment attitude doesn't carry over to 2020. It's pretty much gonna be a election with binary options, and we don't need to see 2016 happen again just because we may not get the disruptive candidate we want.
That really disappoints me. I like Gabbard. Sad to see her chicken out of a debate.
Gabbard sucks, but as best I can tell, Campagna is running to her right. Go back to PoliERA.
Why would the party brass be set against her?
Crowley was in no way a centrist. He was very much a liberal. Folks need to stop assuming "establishment" = centrist.
Ah, but here's the thing. A liberal is inherently closer to the center economically than a socialist.
Moving that Overton Window.
(But it remains to be seen if AOC is actually an socialist or a socdem calling herself a demsoc)
She has labeled herself as a Democratic Socialist and the policies she ran on reflect that.
I can already tell you that Schmidt will come across like a raving lunatic from his default assumption that socialism = baaaaaaad!
In so far as no 'establishment' figures seemed to even congratulate her let alone endorse her
Her policies at this point are entirely social democratic, not democratic socialist. She's following the Bernie line of labeling Nordic welfare capitalist policies as "democratic socialism". Those are better policies than America's hellscape capitalism provides, but until she says something about collectivizing the means of production, she is not actually saying anything socialist. My belief that she actually does know what she's talking about but is hiding it for electoral gain basically just stems from her being in the DSA (and working with the media group "Means of Production" for her campaign).
We are now entering a period where a lot of people are calling themselves socialists because it still has a somewhat radical tinge in comparison to liberalism while finally having become a mainstream term, but people are confusing what it means. This is Hot Topic Socialism. Socialism does not mean "capitalist mode of production with redistributive policies and nationalized sectors". That's social democracy, a form of capitalism. Socialism requires workers controlling the means of production, outright, period.
It's better to have social democracy than not have it but we have to be clear about terms or else the word will lose its meaning. In the short term I'm fine with this but it just means eventually one day the Dems will call themselves socialist without actually being socialist if nobody course-corrects.
I'm 100% on board with that. Not into full-on textbook socialism or communism and I don't think most Americans are either once they've left their edgy 20s.
If in 50-100 years the left wants to abandon capitalism wholesale well thats their choice. Ultimately any "ism" is just a process; the components and methodology within that process matter more. In the meantime lets just focus on getting people healthcare, lessening income inequality, and keep Veterans Affairs from being further privatized lol
Carter is correct. From "Sanders doing poorly with black voters in the primary proves that leftist economic policy is only for white people" to "AOC winning in the Bronx proves that leftist economic policy is only for minorities." Almost as though establishment Dems just oppose more redistributive economic policies on the actual substance but don't want to talk about it.