Yeah. Sales do.
10+ Million and still selling strong. Woo.
Will eventually outsell 64 and Galaxy.
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Were the Broodals in Mario Odyssey a complete misfire? Failed new villains?
- Thread starter Cybersai
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Yeah. Sales do.
10+ Million and still selling strong. Woo.
Will eventually outsell 64 and Galaxy.
Moon = Rabbits = Top Hats = Fancy Outfits = Weddings
They seemed fine... nice mix up from the usual Koopalings. Their designs seemed a little Showbiz Pizza-Place inspired. I just wish there were more than the four you had to fight multiple times with.
As far as impact, well the game came out only months ago, it's not like there's a show where these characters are featured (unlike how SMB3 and SMW had their own shows and manga to feature Koopa Kids). What they could do is feature them in Mario Party or Smash (but I think it's too late for both) or have them in the next Mario Kart.
As far as impact, well the game came out only months ago, it's not like there's a show where these characters are featured (unlike how SMB3 and SMW had their own shows and manga to feature Koopa Kids). What they could do is feature them in Mario Party or Smash (but I think it's too late for both) or have them in the next Mario Kart.
Probably, but (a) the "rabbits = moon" connection is obscure outside of Japanese culture, and (b) there isn't a strong thematic tie to the Moon for most of the game. Just another example of Obscure Cultural References in Video Games, I guess.
They had the misfortune of turning up the same year as Mario themed Rabbids, poor guys had no chance.
Also the blue suited one just looks off, like they took Boomboom/Mini Bowser and forced him into a teleporter at the same time as a rabbit and this mess emerged.
Also the blue suited one just looks off, like they took Boomboom/Mini Bowser and forced him into a teleporter at the same time as a rabbit and this mess emerged.
How so? An opinion from a video game outlet is just as legimate as any other human being, only reviewers are encouraged to process their thoughts in more depth.
Odyssey was also the second choice for game of the year on this very forum, just behind Breath of the Wild.
The Broodals were fine, just fine. Probably won't appear again unless Super Mario Odyssey 2 comes out, considering they aren't in Aces nor do they appear to be in Super Mario Party.
I mean, even Sprixie was in Ultra Smash, and Nabbit had a couple of sports games appearances too.
I mean, even Sprixie was in Ultra Smash, and Nabbit had a couple of sports games appearances too.
It feels more like the idea of Odyssey is doing well, but the game itself doesn't really live up to the hype. Overall the level design is possibly the most mediocre of the 3D games in terms of presenting gameplay challenges and Mario's movement is so powerful and easy to execute that the obstacles that are there are barely obstacles at all. I still enjoyed it, but it felt so much smaller as someone that enjoys a platforming game for platforming and the adventure elements weren't quite good enough to make up for its shortcomings. Still a great game but not the ultimate 3D Mario some people make it out to be.
Talking sales, 3D Land is on pace to eventually outsell Galaxy on a much less popular system, and it doesn't have the benefit of the hype and platform momentum Odyssey is enjoying.
Starting in Wii and especially in Wii U they started giving them all more unique characteristics. Wii U gave all the Koopalings a specific weapons. Paper Jam actually gave them dialogue and more personality (in fact with the Superstar Saga remake Mario and Luigi perhaps gives the most personality for each Koopaling). Color Splash is an RPG and all Koopalings have different mechanics and weaknesses, many of which are shared between the games (Iggy's use of chain chomps, Lemmy's Circus theme). There's enough there so that the Koopalings are individualistic enough. The only problem is that in the New series, it's too easy to just jump on their heads after they do a spin dash which locks them in to an easy kill.
I thought they weren't worth coming back to multiple times. They felt like a stage boss but strangely repeated. So they didn't quite work for me, and by the second time, when I realised I would have to fight them one by one, my gut feeling was of disappointment. Great game though, thanks to all the other bosses.
Not to mention that a lot of the platforming challenges felt far more unfair than anything from 3D World thanks to poorly thought out gimmicks. It really seems sometimes that some of the challenges were less about reacting to newer obstacles and more rote memorization of what will happen (Dark Side in particular is incredibly guilty about this)
Your opinion is not worth any more than anyone else's here.
Critically and sales-wise, it's very much a contender for the best.
64, Sunshine, Galaxy, 3D World all have their detractors. You also have fans that ignore flaws and such due to nostalgia, but they're still successes. Some more than others.
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Yeah, the Yoshi levels were especially bad. Darker Side felt unfinished.
Making a logical fallacy isn't doing much. I explained why I felt the way I did. Not all arguments are equal. A reasoned argument is definitely worth more than "IT'S SHIT LOL!" or "OMG BEST GAME EVER!" with nothing else and appeals to authority and appeals to popularity.
You're the one coming in the defense of the "IT'S SHIT LOL!" guy.
Odyssey is not a misfire in any relevant way. There's no game that everybody likes.
...wha?
The moon is front and center everywhere.
It's very visible in the sky of every world, it also often shows up in the cutscenes, it's absolutely massive in the first world you are in, and you literally collect moons to power up the ship. And that's of course not to speak of the last world and the bonus stages taking place on it, too.
They looked hideous to me, but I've never been a fan of the Marioverse villian "families", koopalings included. Whomever is in charge of the Mario RPG/Saga villians should be entrusted with the platformer ones, the results would be much better. These bunnies were just repackaged Sonic Lost World enemies.
Dismissing my arguments that way is a strawman.
Your arguments for why Odyssey is amazing is that reviewers say it is and that it's popular, neither of which are good arguments because they're fallacies. My argument details specific reasons why the game itself falls short for me. Sure you can say it's not a misfire because it's popular and will make Nintendo money, but that's not a good argument for how it fares as a game.
They were a nice evolution of the normal rabbits we have seen in Mario games before.
I would love to see some good Broodals too from the moon.
But I did first see them as Easter Rabbits, lol
I would love to see some good Broodals too from the moon.
But I did first see them as Easter Rabbits, lol
I'm not arguing for my liking of Odyssey. I'm arguing for its success.
Or are you going to say it wasn't successful? Guess we were just arguing about different things,
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I always felt that the Broodals looked strange and out of place, even in the context of all the different worlds with significantly different artstyles. I dont know how to explain it, but they just didn't really look like Mario villains to me. Didn't help that, apart from the mech boss, fights between them felt rather plain and uninspired.
That being said, I doubt they were meant to be anything more than one-offs. I doubt we'll see them again apart from spin-off titles or perhaps a cameo.
That being said, I doubt they were meant to be anything more than one-offs. I doubt we'll see them again apart from spin-off titles or perhaps a cameo.
I love them!
They remind me of Chuck E Cheese characters! Great boss fights.
Their theme is fire too.
They remind me of Chuck E Cheese characters! Great boss fights.
Their theme is fire too.
I think the issue with these characters i have and most other side characters in Mario games is that they...don't do much. Or rather, they dont get to do much. I think Rosalina happened to catch on and become popular because she was a huge part of the game she was in kind of how cappy is pretty much there. The broodals only show up for a moment and do their boss thing and then poof out of there after they get defeated. If they're not allowed to hang around or have dialogue other than "grr we gotta stop mario, grr" its kind of hard for me to care. I mean do they even really interact with each other? Its like they're together, but not.
I didn't like the broodals but wouldn't call them a complete misfire either. More just lukewarm
And huh, wedding > honeymoon.
Well if you put too much effort in making a bad guy you'll get called a tryhard.
If you don't try hard enough then they become unmemorable.
The sweet spot gap between these 2 can greatly vary from person to person.
Some are near impossible to satisfy while others are quite happy with the results.
If you don't try hard enough then they become unmemorable.
The sweet spot gap between these 2 can greatly vary from person to person.
Some are near impossible to satisfy while others are quite happy with the results.
Seeing these refreshing and bold takes that SMO sucks reminds me of just how fun Summer ERA is.
I especially like the historical revisionists claiming Sunshine was ever good.
I don't think anybody was arguing that the game isn't successful from a sales and popularity standpoint. Hot take guy seems to feel that the game was unsuccessful in living up to the hype and that review scores and sales are a bad indicator of how good a game is and don't account for the myriad of factors that effect what people like in a game.
People can like different things. Imagine that.
Villains have been a dime a dozen for quite some time in Mario games. The Koopalings and Bowser Jr. kinda lost their sheen after their first appearance, too, and are now apparently used just for continuity and because there's really no need to make new characters when the games have very little story anyway.
The Broodals were... just there. The usual mini-boss distraction we've become accustomed to in Mario games.
The Broodals were... just there. The usual mini-boss distraction we've become accustomed to in Mario games.
Blegh personality, Blegh design. Such a basic princess, feels like a soulless other-peach but with a star and in blue. Daisy and Pauline exude so much more style and differing attitudes and are good compliments to Peach.
Don't bunnies live on the moon or something in japanese lore? I mean Cappy is like one of the japanese possesed object that comes to life after many years. I think I read about those things a while ago.lol