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Jessica Jones | Season 2 on Netflix | 3/8/18 (Spoiler-free discussion)
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Just finished last night.
The back half picks up a lot, and I like how it went weird places I didn't expect.
The back half picks up a lot, and I like how it went weird places I didn't expect.
Trish is annoying and I don't think they really justified how much time was spent with her. Clearly she's going to be a thign if there's a S3.
The Hogarth stuff was just too much damn time. The storyline is fine, but it's only tangentally related and took way,way too much space.
Rewatching the scene where Alisa and jessica first meet, once you know who she is, is pretty interesting.
Jessica clearly made a ton of bad choices and "is a bad guy" isn't a completely wrong take. I like how they can do this with TV in a way they couldn't with a movie-- make the character morally flawed. I hope S3 rehabilitates her to some degree.
Also, so damned happy to see Kilgrave; that episode was great.
The Hogarth stuff was just too much damn time. The storyline is fine, but it's only tangentally related and took way,way too much space.
Rewatching the scene where Alisa and jessica first meet, once you know who she is, is pretty interesting.
Jessica clearly made a ton of bad choices and "is a bad guy" isn't a completely wrong take. I like how they can do this with TV in a way they couldn't with a movie-- make the character morally flawed. I hope S3 rehabilitates her to some degree.
Also, so damned happy to see Kilgrave; that episode was great.
I stopped at 7 since the premier. I wish I kept on, because I really love 8 and on 9 now.
Jessica and her mother's relationship is really hooking me to the story
Jessica and her mother's relationship is really hooking me to the story
. LOL
Yeah, I'm not understanding the power levels of Jessica (and I guess we aren't spoiler tagging anymore -???)
-her mother. They can jump up and down buildings, stop cars with their bare hands, Superman-like, but bullets tear right through them? If Jessica's mom could be taken out by a simple bullet...what was the big deal about taking her down?
- In the fuck Trish camp. What a selfish little bitch. I guess, maybe we can blame her attitude on the Nuke inhaler drug, and anything after that is the personality of a barely cognizant addict, but she came off more to me as a selfish, spoiled brat who wanted everything, including Jessica's powers.....and of course the little brat got her powers in the end. I went from being pumped about a Hellcat appearance on the show to wanting her to just end up as a villain who gets her ass kicked hard.
- who was Trish's boyfriend talking to on the phone behind her back? It seemed like a subplot that was forgotten.
- Soo, Hogarth is fine with dying of an illness now? After freaking out about it, all season, she's fine and planning for a future she probably won't live to see?
It's so weird, thought the gap would be huge between the two seasons, yet I liked this one almost just as much for completely different reasons
Holy shit the last two episode is a drag. The flip flopping of. I'll stop you. No. Now I'll help
The Trish's motivation out of nowhere. Writers doesn't have a second villain so we'll ass pull this.
The Trish's motivation out of nowhere. Writers doesn't have a second villain so we'll ass pull this.
At the end of this season..... HA-HA
He was arranging the proposal. He even said it himself that he was going behind her back and stole her contact list from her computer.
She doesn't have to forgive her, but you don't give someone powers in a way that destroys everyone's trust, have them kill the main character's mother, all just to not have them appear next season. Plus from what I hear, this show can't afford to get rid of characters that are actually affiliated with Jessica Jones anyways lol
Backhalf of the season really gets things running. Makes the season worthwhile.
But good lord, what a trainwreck regarding..
But good lord, what a trainwreck regarding..
- Trish. Possibly the worst the character direction in the Netflix shows. She goes completely off the rails, does the stupidest shit and well, hey hey I want your cray cray. She rrally went from 0 to 1000'in this season. Hellcat in season 3 will be a neat plotpoint.
- Jeri... yikes. In the end, ruthless.
- Killgrave appearing again as an illusion was fantastic. Tennant is an amazing actor.
- Jessica is all over the place this season, but the weird bond with her mother is great. Some fantastic moments. "Don't make me vomit" "Oh wouldn't be the first time, you were a barfy baby"
- Jeri... yikes. In the end, ruthless.
- Killgrave appearing again as an illusion was fantastic. Tennant is an amazing actor.
- Jessica is all over the place this season, but the weird bond with her mother is great. Some fantastic moments. "Don't make me vomit" "Oh wouldn't be the first time, you were a barfy baby"
The wanting to have power because Jessica has one? I really thought she just wanted the drug
Ohhhhhh, was that all it was? Hm. When we first saw it for some reason I'd assumed it was some shady organization using Trish to get to Jessica.
I think it's best to try to look at all of Trish'es action after taking the Nuke inhaler as stupid shit addicts do to try to get another fix.
I mean, everything she did was completely out of character. I didn't like it, especially murdering her best friend/sisters' mom. I mean, I don't even think the Punisher would have done that. She absolutely shouldn't be forgiven for it.
Okay so I just finished it. Not a fan.
Trish was the single most annoying thing about this season (along with her mother ofc). At the start of the season I was slightly interested whether she would become an actual sidekick with powers or anything, but I couldn't care less at the end. I just wanted her gone.
Jessica deciding to just join her mass murdering mother was the worst turn of all. When Costa said that shit about "It's a powerful bond" to Trish I genuinely wanted to barf. Can't believe we went from Season 1 with Jess breaking free from her abuser to Season 2 with Jess being entrapped by her family and just wanting to accept it. The worst.
Good things about this season:
- How Malcolm ended up
- Hogarths subplot
- Oscar and Vido
Trish was the single most annoying thing about this season (along with her mother ofc). At the start of the season I was slightly interested whether she would become an actual sidekick with powers or anything, but I couldn't care less at the end. I just wanted her gone.
Jessica deciding to just join her mass murdering mother was the worst turn of all. When Costa said that shit about "It's a powerful bond" to Trish I genuinely wanted to barf. Can't believe we went from Season 1 with Jess breaking free from her abuser to Season 2 with Jess being entrapped by her family and just wanting to accept it. The worst.
Good things about this season:
- How Malcolm ended up
- Hogarths subplot
- Oscar and Vido
It's my 3rd favorite season of a Marvel Netflix show. I felt like it built nicely on everything set up in Season 1. Read a lot of complaints that it needed a strong villian like Kilgrave but liked that they went with something different.
Didn't think it was good as JJ S1 but that was a high bar. First half was slow but second half was a lot more interesting.
Love Kirsten's performance, she is perfect casting as JJ and I continue to love how her character grows and evolves throughout the series.
Trish's character this season was absolutely miserable but for the most part I can understand her motivations.
Hogarth, god damn, savage AF.
Love Kirsten's performance, she is perfect casting as JJ and I continue to love how her character grows and evolves throughout the series.
Trish's character this season was absolutely miserable but for the most part I can understand her motivations.
Hogarth, god damn, savage AF.
I absolutely loved this season. It is Superhero Noir done really well. Everyone fell into shades of grey, the ones we thought were good faded to black and the ones we thought were bad held glimpses of hope that made them seem like real people. A few good examples of this:
The show has some slow parts, but that's part of the genre. It is not an action packed blockbuster. It is a slow roll with tragic characters trying to make it while holding on to things they care about. In the end everyone is changed and all of their growth is well explained. A pretty solid achievement for a comic book story.
Trish has all the makings of a hero. Good intentions and the best training money can buy, but that's not enough. She bully's her sister all through season 1 and this gets dialed up in season 2. She finally gets a taste of super powers and decides to use her sway as a public icon to make it happen. She completely uses her sister to the point of bringing her families ashes to her office to make her track down IGH. To gain super powers she has turned into the manipulative monster that is her mother.
Jessica knows that her mother is past redemption, but after spending your entire life just wanting some kind of family back and getting it, she overlooks the obvious. Her mother is broken, but Jessica drinks up the fantasy that they could be happy, because it is what she has always wanted. It is her mother who ultimately decides she needs to die and let Jessica move on, a flicker of light showing the caring mother beneath the murderous monster.
Jessica knows that her mother is past redemption, but after spending your entire life just wanting some kind of family back and getting it, she overlooks the obvious. Her mother is broken, but Jessica drinks up the fantasy that they could be happy, because it is what she has always wanted. It is her mother who ultimately decides she needs to die and let Jessica move on, a flicker of light showing the caring mother beneath the murderous monster.
The show has some slow parts, but that's part of the genre. It is not an action packed blockbuster. It is a slow roll with tragic characters trying to make it while holding on to things they care about. In the end everyone is changed and all of their growth is well explained. A pretty solid achievement for a comic book story.
lol it's still my bad I know this is the rule in most TV threads I just forgot the show's been out for that long and had missed something in Episode 10 and was too lazy to go back and figure it out. I came home and finished up the last 2 episodes.
It was pretty heavily telegraphed though and I didn't expect it to go down like that anyways so it was still a surprising moment. I'm not sure how I feel about Trish this season but overall I liked S2 better than S1.
It was pretty heavily telegraphed though and I didn't expect it to go down like that anyways so it was still a surprising moment. I'm not sure how I feel about Trish this season but overall I liked S2 better than S1.
so when the cops are after Jessica's Mum why don't they think to call the avengers? She's super strong and a killer so wouldn't it make sense? I know the movie characters would never show up but in universe it makes sense
It would have been nice, but there are plenty of reasons they might not have, and calling attention to it just draws attention to the loose continuity even more.
Lol, no one's calling the Avengers for this, this is less of a threat than the Hand lol
I mean shit, Trish of all people took her out
I mean shit, Trish of all people took her out
Keep in mind that in Spider-Man homecoming he regularly informed the Avengers of everything he did. He fought it out with guys powered by a pile of off world explosive weapons. The only time Iron Man got involved was when he was hung up on and his plan was directly affected or was alerted to Peter's immediate death.
So they aren't really on call. Dr. Strange could literally just teleport her onto the Raft and be done with that story line, but he probably has some magic stuff to write about.
So they aren't really on call. Dr. Strange could literally just teleport her onto the Raft and be done with that story line, but he probably has some magic stuff to write about.
This season was nowhere near as good as the first season. So slow and took forever to get the pace picked up. It felt like scenes dragged on way too much.
I got curious and decided to check out the MAX Alias comics this seems to be derived from. And man, the whole thing just feels a bit too edgelord for its own good. It works for Punisher but definitely not this. It reminds me more of that awful book where they literally turn Jean Grey into a hooker.
Even though Hogarth isn't closely linked to the other main characters and doesn't need a big spotlight I quite enjoyed her side story this season. Plus the actress is too good to waste as a cameo.
Finally finished the season. Damn. That was so good. It didn't necessarily get me on every turn but eventually earned all of the twists with solid character writing, not too many dues ex machina crap, a lot of things had proper seeds planted to motivate choices in a way that felt satisfying. Only a handful of things stuck out as big wtfs as far as writing choices, but that's huge for a Netflix marvel show so it's easily swallowable.
Yeah that was my thought like halfway through the season, but by the end I didn't care at all. If anything I wish Trish made her full heel turn an episode sooner to set up for what I assume next season will deal with, but honestly this was a really great and refreshing season, no other comic show like it.
I know I'm late on this, but it was easily my favorite Netflix Marvel season so far. It was done really well and was totally heartbreaking. I can't wait for season 3.
I have a lot of mixed feelings about season 2, and I think ultimately what I'll make of season 2 is pretty much dependent on season 3. They broke out in a lot of different, unexpected directions, and they clearly intend to follow up on all these problems they created. But if they don't do it in a satisfying way in season 3 (or if there is no season 3) then season will, to me, be a failure. On the other hand, if they manage to take the situations they've created and give them satisfying resolutions, then season 2 will actually be one of my favorites as a way to shake up the different characters. This is especially true with Trish. She's pretty complicated now, and in some ways it seems like the show is grooming her to take on a very major role, but I'm curious to see what that role will be.
Finally finished the season. Overall I didn't enjoy this season as much as the first, mainly due to Trish. While I didn't have much of an issue with the character herself, there were way too many conflicts created by the character that felt "forced" and "in the way" of the story. Her original hunt for IGH and giving Jessica closure was done well enough, but once the Inhaler/hunt for Jessica's mom plots started it felt like she was being inserted into situations over and over vs feeling like she was "naturally" part of the story, particularly what she did at the end of the season. Second, Jessica's mom and Karl weren't good enough antagonists IMO, especially after Purple Man last season. While I liked Jessica's mom way better than The Hand in the other Marvel shows, the "evil/misunderstood mom" plot wasn't that strong for an entire season vs maybe a few episodes.
As for the good, Jessica Jones herself remained enjoyable/more likable than the likes of Iron Fist. Hogarth's story line was good and had a decent conclusion, and I also enjoyed Malcolm's character growth.
As for the good, Jessica Jones herself remained enjoyable/more likable than the likes of Iron Fist. Hogarth's story line was good and had a decent conclusion, and I also enjoyed Malcolm's character growth.
Forgot to post a few weeks ago when I finished it. Overall found the season fine. Weaker than season one but not bad.
I liked Jessica, sometimes her character can be grating but overall the performance and writing for her is fine. I didn't like Trish - she's so inconsistent and all over the place and her being an addict doesn't just explain that away like they expect it to. Overall liked Malcolm. I like Hogarth but her story fluctuates. I liked the general ebb and flow of the narrative with Jessica's past/origin and her mother's involvement - however it still didn't feel as personal as the Purple Man did for her.
Like a solid 6.5? Not bad, not great. Don't regret watching and would recommend to people but not heavily. Felt like a big step down after Punisher though.
Seems far too low key for them. And a lot of them are occupied. The police don't really have a direct line to The Avengers, they're dealing with either bigger picture problems or more personal problems.
I liked Jessica, sometimes her character can be grating but overall the performance and writing for her is fine. I didn't like Trish - she's so inconsistent and all over the place and her being an addict doesn't just explain that away like they expect it to. Overall liked Malcolm. I like Hogarth but her story fluctuates. I liked the general ebb and flow of the narrative with Jessica's past/origin and her mother's involvement - however it still didn't feel as personal as the Purple Man did for her.
Like a solid 6.5? Not bad, not great. Don't regret watching and would recommend to people but not heavily. Felt like a big step down after Punisher though.
Seems far too low key for them. And a lot of them are occupied. The police don't really have a direct line to The Avengers, they're dealing with either bigger picture problems or more personal problems.
2 episodes left to go. Overall enjoy it but man do some characters make some bone headed decisions at times. Will bail out to avoid spoilers and post full thoughts later.
Honestly found S2 a struggle to get through. Season one was probably my favourite Marvel TV season out there, tied with S1 of Daredevil.
The problem is that these series are only as good as their villains and both Killgrave and Kingpin were sorely missed in the sophomore years. To me the Killgrave episode just made me really wish he hadn't been killed off. Janet McTeer's a fantastic actress but it was just such a thankless role for her and the less said about Trish's arc the better.
Also, to me the fact that they had to get her out of prison so decided
was just lazy.
On the plus side it was great to see Malcolm getting a bit more love this season.
Are we thinking that next season will see the introduction of
The problem is that these series are only as good as their villains and both Killgrave and Kingpin were sorely missed in the sophomore years. To me the Killgrave episode just made me really wish he hadn't been killed off. Janet McTeer's a fantastic actress but it was just such a thankless role for her and the less said about Trish's arc the better.
Also, to me the fact that they had to get her out of prison so decided
that the scientist guy would just suddenly decide to kill himself and she can go on a rampage
On the plus side it was great to see Malcolm getting a bit more love this season.
Are we thinking that next season will see the introduction of
Hellcat?
Just finished.
did not expect Trish to do that wow. Jessica was really pissing me off a lot this season. Bad decision after bad decision.
This show is terrible imo.
6.5/10 boring and laughable deux ex machina moments. I don't know how this show gets praised.
The acting and story is banal and almost insufferable at times.
DD and The Punisher still remain way more captivating.
6.5/10 boring and laughable deux ex machina moments. I don't know how this show gets praised.
The acting and story is banal and almost insufferable at times.
DD and The Punisher still remain way more captivating.
Honestly, most of the Marvel Netflix shows are trash. Too long with bad plots.
yeah, the have too many filler episodes that drag on an on.
the worst episodes of any MCU Netflix show are the ones were the hero spends 1 full hour moping either physically or physiologically and just languishing in their apartment for 1 hour.
I'm watching Luke Cage right now and these episodes should be 42-45 minutes tops. But nope, we have a 69 minute episode.
