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How is the Resident Evil 0 HD remaster? Also story timeline questions for RE1.
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You weren't kidding. It's like where fans of the old style who couldn't move on went to die.
Of Re:CV, RE3, and RE:0, RE:0 is the best. It's enjoyable fun, and the villain is over the top campy in a really good way.
The remaster itself is really high quality. Touched up in a ton of ways that really makes it shine.
The remaster itself is really high quality. Touched up in a ton of ways that really makes it shine.
Well damn I wanted to buy it during the sale. Now I wonder if I'd better dust off my Gamecube, or perhaps check how the game looks on Dolphin.
I never liked 0. I played a couple of hours of it when it first released on GC, but I lost interest and never looked at it again. It is way bellow the caliber of REmake imo.
RE0 is not very believable canon wise. Rebecca has been doing all that before Chris in the RE 1 mansion? Yeah...
RE0 has a balancing issue like RE CV also had. The main issue with 0 is that it's really tedious to play. The game removed the item box so you have to drop items on the floor and the game remember where you dropped it. The game has a lot of backtracking where enemy respawn along the backtracking path and adding the backtracking caused by the retrieval of dropped a key item somewhere is really tedious. You also better be fighting anything in the game as Billy because Rebecca's not got at it while Billy cannot even combine herbs. So prepare to switch at all time even if the second character is next to yours. Combining herbs and fighting are like key parts of the game and only one character can do one of the two.
RE0 has a balancing issue like RE CV also had. The main issue with 0 is that it's really tedious to play. The game removed the item box so you have to drop items on the floor and the game remember where you dropped it. The game has a lot of backtracking where enemy respawn along the backtracking path and adding the backtracking caused by the retrieval of dropped a key item somewhere is really tedious. You also better be fighting anything in the game as Billy because Rebecca's not got at it while Billy cannot even combine herbs. So prepare to switch at all time even if the second character is next to yours. Combining herbs and fighting are like key parts of the game and only one character can do one of the two.
Slight correction: the assets are upscaled from 480p. There's no reason for the HD game to initially render backgrounds in 480i when the assets existed in 480 progressive images on retail GC games.
Played it on PC recently. Looked and ran well enough, but the game really fell off a cliff after the train section. Eventually gave up on it because it was a complete slog.
I find the hate for Zero to generally be kind of strange. Honestly, I think my big issue with Zero is just that there isn't a ton of variety in the environments. I have other quibbles with this game but overall I like the game quite a bit. An apparently controversial opinion: I like it far more than CVX or RE3.
Also the number of people who have brought up Zero's story as a big negative as though this series is known for stellar story telling is hilarious. I can maybe get on board with Zero having the least fun story in the series but I don't think it's even in the running for having the worst story in the series. Either way, I think it's worth a play and is a pretty solid game. I would love to try and play this game as a co-op game. I've never messed around with the Xbox One co-pilot feature but I feel like it would turn this game into a pretty neat couch co-op experience.
Also the number of people who have brought up Zero's story as a big negative as though this series is known for stellar story telling is hilarious. I can maybe get on board with Zero having the least fun story in the series but I don't think it's even in the running for having the worst story in the series. Either way, I think it's worth a play and is a pretty solid game. I would love to try and play this game as a co-op game. I've never messed around with the Xbox One co-pilot feature but I feel like it would turn this game into a pretty neat couch co-op experience.
The RE0 HD remaster is a genuinely good remaster, for what it's worth. It's quite a bit slicker than REMAKE HD. As for the game itself, the main weakness is the inventory system. And by "weakness", I mean "the thing that can make the game so tedious a lot of players can't go on".
Oh, yeah, it has the infamous elevator that travels through space and time, eh.
The magic elevator in Zero will never be not funny to me since it geographically makes no sense. So there's some suspension of disbelief of course of game geography, especially between titles, but Zero's inclusion pushes that disbelief to the limit. Somehow the Water Treatment Plant is under the Labs from RE2, which is under the Warehouse from RE2, which is somehow under the Training Facility from RE0. They obviously opted for making an easy way back to the Training Facility rather than geographical sense, but it's a bit hilarious imagining all of these locations just stacked on-top of each other haphazardly (and nonsensically, as the Water Treatment Plant, the Warehouse, and the Training Facility all have outdoor segments which makes none of this make sense, and to reach the warehouse you need to take a tram from the church to the factory, which then apparently the factory is beneath the training facility?). It's also hilarious at the ending with all of this in mind you take an elevator from the water treatment center to the final boss area, which is undisclosed exactly where that is, but then when you defeat the final boss, Billy and Rebecca escape the Training Facility, which explodes (and apparently doesn't damage any of the facilities it's apparently on-top of, or the setting you fight the final boss in seems like the water facility, and it's perfectly fine in RE2)... ONLY TO REVEAL the RE0 mansion is just a few miles away from the RE1 mansion, and for some reason fucking Rebecca heads there after her RE0 exeprience.
The geography and some of RE0's events makes no sense, but I kind of love that they don't.
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Lol I didn't even notice this back when I played it on GC.
Nevertheless even with people being down on this one I'm still looking forward to playing it for sure. I really don't remember much about it so it's gonna be like a new game to me. Really looking forward to how much better it'll look compared to REmake too. I had no idea the upgrade was gonna be so big with the art assets.
It's such a shame (and makes no sense) why Capcom would only have kept 480p art for REmake one of their biggest games at the time and have retained 1080p assets for RE0. REmake would have looked amazing with proper HD assets today.
0 is not that great, but it still scratches the Resident Evil itch. I completed it twice but still put it next to CVX for being the the least impressive in terms of quality when it comes to mainline games in the franchise.
I feel you on this, just seeing the beginning of the video gave me one of those "I've seen enough and I'm good" moments. The one they will release has already got me convinced they're making good decisions.
It's technically a good remaster, it looks really nice, but the game has all the same problems it had back in 2002. The lack of item boxes and the resulting backtracking absolutely kills the game. The story is poor, Billy is a bland AF character and the bosses are all terrible, they are all just giant animals and more fucking Tyrants.
In my last playthrough, I put so many items on the floor in two of the rooms that the game told me I had reached a limit and couldn't drop (or store) more items there. I really hated having to backtrack to older rooms just to grab the hookshot or the acid rounds. Plus the level design isn't exactly something to write home about either.
Honestly RE0 doesn't exist IMO they had so much opportunity to give life to the stars bravo team but nope. Secondly you go through a fucking mansion before the iconic mansion who's idea was that??? You couldn't have gone through anything else????
Also the supernatural man in the dress was total jump the Shark moment.
Also the supernatural man in the dress was total jump the Shark moment.
As a remaster I find it great, but as a game it's more a puzzler with repetitive action phase.
The absence of chest is really annoying, and every room has a limited space to let your stuff on the ground.
It's not that scandalous as stated by fans but clearly a minor episode. And play it in easy is a good idea.
The absence of chest is really annoying, and every room has a limited space to let your stuff on the ground.
It's not that scandalous as stated by fans but clearly a minor episode. And play it in easy is a good idea.
Resident Evil 0 was never more than an OK game to me. I really liked the beginning, the train part sets the tone great. But after that it's like they ran out of ideas. It looked great at the time, though.
Resident Evil 0. I dont think the gameplay is fun. It's more like a chore. So tiring. The control mechanic doesnt really work (TPS), especially combined with the Aim System. Only if it were ots, i think it would have more potential to be fun
You laugh at the RE0 haters yet you say it's better than RE2? Yeah, you shouldn't be the one laughing here...
Again I just don't understand you had the whole bravo team to give interesting backstories you had the Arklay Mountains to explore. I just can't believe Capcom thought the locations and story were good in this...unbelievable.
Richard should have been in Billy Cohens place.
Richard should have been in Billy Cohens place.
Yea this is what I hated most about it, I thought it was going to focus on Bravo team but nope, they all fuck off after the first cutscene and you have to put up with some randomer who happened to be in the right place at the right time. To make matters worse they spend all that time teasing a backstory that no one cares about. The RE2 crossover bits were nice but not seeing how Rebecca ended up in the mansion was criminal. They had all the assets from REmake, there's no reason they couldn't have ended the story there.
I never really liked it to begin with. It felt like a poor copy of REmake, but inferior in just about every way.
Preach brother. Who gives a fuck about Billy Cohen??? Richard, Forest, Kenneth, Enrico...fuck them let's tell you more about things you don't care about at all.
Funny I've been thinking a lot of replaying Zero and Remake Remastered these days after the announcement of Remake 2.
Zero have THE BEST looking pre rendered backgrounds ever, the amount of details is ridiculous.
Everything in the game is great and I prefer the Train Facility section over the train simply because it's all connected from the start to finish in a really fascinating way.
Two flaws only in Zero:
1- No Item Box: this is a big pain in the ass specially when you reach certain point of the game and you have to go ALL THE WAY BACK to the room where you left the item you need.. they could have introduced the leaving the items in the room system and also keeping the Item Box that you can reach with it all the items you have in.
2- Some of the enemies have boring and uninspired designs, the weakest in the classic games.
Other than that.. the game is great.
Zero have THE BEST looking pre rendered backgrounds ever, the amount of details is ridiculous.
Everything in the game is great and I prefer the Train Facility section over the train simply because it's all connected from the start to finish in a really fascinating way.
Two flaws only in Zero:
1- No Item Box: this is a big pain in the ass specially when you reach certain point of the game and you have to go ALL THE WAY BACK to the room where you left the item you need.. they could have introduced the leaving the items in the room system and also keeping the Item Box that you can reach with it all the items you have in.
2- Some of the enemies have boring and uninspired designs, the weakest in the classic games.
Other than that.. the game is great.
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I agree with you mostly, I still like the game, but flaw number one is a doozy. I actually don't know what they were thinking.
The original didn't age well. Too simple, easy, basically the police station is half the game (but you don't realize it until you finish the game, etc etc.
The problems with difficulty mostly come from the leech Marcus enemies that can eat huge amounts of ammo, they die really quickly if you use molotovs but I don;t think the game ever tells you that
That and the bs bat boss
I like 0 but the villain was horrible and felt completely out of place, looked like a rejected Nomura design
It's interesting how the removal of item boxes made item management more of a chore, when the idea was billed as the solution to the chore of running between item boxes all the time. I remember my tactic was to treat specific rooms as item boxes themselves, and regularly dumping items in and retrieving items in them.
I think things could have worked better if they moved to a more granular inventory - closer to RE4 - so you're more likely to restrict your weapon usage whilst keeping more puzzle items on you.
As for the locations, the train section needed to end because there's only so much branching the space can offer. The game quickly had you running back and forth between opposite ends.
Meanwhile the training facility felt very much like a collection of nondescript mansion rooms and labs. You could say that RE1 has this, but it works because RE1 is the first mansion and labs and it sets up the rest of the franchise. If it wasn't for the fact that 'Training Facility' was written in so many memos, I'd have no idea what the building was specifically used for.
I think things could have worked better if they moved to a more granular inventory - closer to RE4 - so you're more likely to restrict your weapon usage whilst keeping more puzzle items on you.
As for the locations, the train section needed to end because there's only so much branching the space can offer. The game quickly had you running back and forth between opposite ends.
Meanwhile the training facility felt very much like a collection of nondescript mansion rooms and labs. You could say that RE1 has this, but it works because RE1 is the first mansion and labs and it sets up the rest of the franchise. If it wasn't for the fact that 'Training Facility' was written in so many memos, I'd have no idea what the building was specifically used for.
There's also the fact that it can leave you severely under powered with no notice, the Centipede fight is one example. But yea those leach bosses can seriously fuck up your playthru if you don't plan ahead with molotovs.
It's not as good as REmake but I wouldn't call it a bad game. I've been replaying many of the RE games and I'm more interested in replaying RE0 than some other games in the series.
I'm not a massive fan of the train tbh, that scorpion boss makes no fucking sense at all. The early parts of the training facility are my favourite, before the backtracking becomes excessive and you can just base yourself in the main hall.
RECVX is weak and has a lot of the same issues that RE0 does, so That I Will Accept. But I think it's hard to argue that RE0 is on the same level as RE3. RE3 is a really fantastic game that blends the action style of RE2 (and takes it further) with the slower pace of RE1. It explores its central theme of pursuit completely and conclusively. It intelligently reuses assets-- changed in subtle ways-- to lull the player into a sense of familiarity before changing things to enhance the horror. The ammo system is unique and effectively a difficulty selector, which I thought was innovative and cool.
RE3 does not get enough love!!!
I have always thought RE3 was horribly underrated, I like it just as much as RE2, but then CV is my third favourite after REmake and RE4. Fucking love that game.
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So I thought RECVX was well beloved too but everyone seems to think that kinda is a low point in the series too lol. Not sure why really, I quite enjoyed it although it was a bit too long in the tooth.
Tbh when I was playing REmake this past week I thought it had excessive backtracking to the chests. I was playing as Chris so he gets less inventory space but even so, the amount of backtracking I had to do between chests just so I could pick up other items was A LOT. No one seems to criticise it for that aspect just because it's RE1. RE0 is no different.
If you ask me, they all suffer from this aspect.
Tbh when I was playing REmake this past week I thought it had excessive backtracking to the chests. I was playing as Chris so he gets less inventory space but even so, the amount of backtracking I had to do between chests just so I could pick up other items was A LOT. No one seems to criticise it for that aspect just because it's RE1. RE0 is no different.
If you ask me, they all suffer from this aspect.
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For me I enjoyed RE3 but it almost seemed like a cash in/spin off like a let's make one more for the sake of it kinda game. Everything about it screamed like it was a b tier Resident Evil game compared to the first two. I mean it was great but it didn't have as much impact for me compared to the first two. Not sure why really. I personally would love some kind of HD remake of it though.
It's the point in the series where the formula started wearing a little thin, and the enemy variety leaves a lot to be desired, but it's still a half decent game at the end of the day.
As a remaster, it's arguably one of Capcom's best. They actually had the original assets on hand to work with as opposed to REmake HD, so the game scales up much better and Wesker mode is one of the most hilarious extra modes the series has had since Tofu.
As a remaster, it's arguably one of Capcom's best. They actually had the original assets on hand to work with as opposed to REmake HD, so the game scales up much better and Wesker mode is one of the most hilarious extra modes the series has had since Tofu.
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What is Wesker mode? Can I unlock it if I play through on Easy? Does it have trophies tied to it?
Wesker Mode can be unlocked by beating the game on any difficulty. You basically play as Wesker (specifically RE5 Wesker) with a mind controlled Rebecca as the partner character (she even has the mind controll device Jill had in RE5 implanted on her chest).
He has silly stuff like being able to do a fast dash attack as well as a neat energy attack kinda thing. IIRC, There's a costume you get for beating the mode, and a trophy is tied to unlocking that costume.
It's a mode added to the HD Remaster, it replaces Rebecca with a brainwashed Rebecca in a skin suit ala Jill in RE5 and Billy with Albert Wesker. It's just RE0 but Wesker has super moves like the ability to Matrix Run, use heat vision yo make enemies explode, things like that.
EDIT: Beaten to it, but yeah.