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Todd Howard blames Sony for no cross play in Fallout 76 (No plans to add currently - Post #950)
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I already told you I'm not answering your condescending and stupid question.
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Condescending and stupid in what way? It's a pretty damn easy question to answer.
Or maybe you just don't want to admit that you're a hypocrite.
Either way, keep fighting the good hypocritical fight, soldier.
Hmm, I never knew I couldn't log into my Netflix account on my Xbox One because I used it on the PS4. I better look into it.
I understand, it's just that I don't put much stock in these online polls.
You do you though.
Edit: I forgot to quote the person I was replying to, lol.
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Just to be clear, I'm for crossplay. What started this detour was the assertion that software publishers just want to sell software and something like crossplay helps them do it. My position is that I don't think that's necessarily self-evident. Sure, it's a pitch to help sell one copy of the game. But I do think there's a non-zero number of people that game on multiple platforms. Places like this may not be very indicative of the general gaming population, but people that double or triple dip are not completely made up. Someone out there may very well want a PC version for better graphics and mod support, but want the console version for a more active playerbase (as a for instance). Crossplay and crossplatform purchase support for DLC purchases disincentivizes any need for this.
Now again, the people persuaded to buy one copy that might have otherwise passed and their increased microtransaction purchases might outweigh lost multicopy buyers sticking to one copy from now on. But I also don't believe that there's a clear picture here of publishers pitching crossplatform advocacy as just being cynical software salesmen that aren't being pro-consumer but instead just trying to do anything they can to get you to buy their software.
Will it happen? No, probably not. If it were to happen, would Sony change their stance? I believe they would. If i remember right, FFXIV said that was one reason they didnt support Xbox, because at the time they werent doing Crossplay.
I could be wrong on that. If devs, or publishers really want crossplay, they could push for a change. Call sony's bluff and see what happens when they are threatened to lose out on a popular multi-million selling franchise.
I agree entirely. Unfortunately the publishers aren't going to turn down an install base of 80 million. So we all have to keep the pressure on Sony, whether it's through developers calling them out or gamers reaching out to them and expressing their displeasure with their stance.
I know it's anicdotal so take it for what that's worth but I can't fathom I'm the I ly case of this. I've got an Xbox one X. My friends all have ps4s. There are multiple games that we could have picked up to play together if they had crossplay. We have played some fortnite already. Me on my Xbox and them on their switch. It's been really cool.
So lets Sony finishes second in the the june, july and august npd and gets outsold this fiscal year...
Would they become more open to the idea or stay the course?
Would they become more open to the idea or stay the course?
It's not about what position they finish during NPD, it's about if they meet internal expectations. If they meet or exceed those expectations Sony couldn't care less about the Switch outselling the PS4.
I seriously, seriously doubt that.
http://n4g.com/news/2128564/sony-we-cannot-ignore-the-nintendo-switch
Of course, I agree their internal expectations are going to be the biggest factor moving forward, but I'm wondering how much of their current stance is cockiness that they are "king of the hill" for the moment.
Well if they continue to be the top selling system in NPD and worldwide going forward they won't give in
Time well tell , if the next NPD and holidays sales are lower than the competition they will no if it's a really big deal or not . They won't make a decision until they see some real effects from this and not just talk from a vocal minority
Time well tell , if the next NPD and holidays sales are lower than the competition they will no if it's a really big deal or not . They won't make a decision until they see some real effects from this and not just talk from a vocal minority
There's enough noise around this now that I believe it's hurting them a lot more than any benefit they would get by blocking it. I think they are starting to realize this based on Shawn Layden's statement (even if it was PR speak).
Like you can't even justify this from a business standpoint anymore, this much negative word of mouth is going to hurt them if they don't change course.
Like you can't even justify this from a business standpoint anymore, this much negative word of mouth is going to hurt them if they don't change course.
Unless you work for Sony I see no reason to bring up sales numbers. There's literally no downside from a consumer perspective of letting different platforms play with each other (Unless there's a competitive nature to the game, in which case there's likely going to be the ability to decide what platforms you are playing against). Corporate stanning is something I'll never understand.
Your theory has already been proved wrong by how many people on these threads actually care, which is apparent. Also I think console wars are juvenile and stupid. I own all consoles and PC because I like to play good games on whatever platform they're on. I also think Sony is being anti-consumer regarding cross-play and that the pressure they are receiving is absolutely justified.
I wonder if Sony will find a way to allow but totally half ass Cross console play to the point where its completely meaningless.
Like how they handled mods on Skyrim and Fallout 4 and restricted it so much it was completely pointless.
In my crystal ball I can eventually see on PS4, no cross progression, no cross plat voice chat or not cross platform parties but they will allow cross platform matchmaking for random hoppers.
Like how they handled mods on Skyrim and Fallout 4 and restricted it so much it was completely pointless.
In my crystal ball I can eventually see on PS4, no cross progression, no cross plat voice chat or not cross platform parties but they will allow cross platform matchmaking for random hoppers.
Those of us on these boards don't really represent the general consumer. Go talk to the average joe, most don't really care but that could change if it gets a lot more media coverage or if a big pub pressures Sony by holding back content or something. It might be a bigger deal next gen and during the next console reveals
Someone is going to have to explain to me why crossplay will all of a sudden POOF! (Sprinkles and Rainbows) be a big deal to Sony the moment next gen starts with the new console reveals...
People keep saying this. I keep scratching my head.
People keep saying this. I keep scratching my head.
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It's just the easiest "You see, we (Sony) are all about the gamers!" Move sony can pull off. Theyll see it as free brownie points.
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For the same strange reason that BC will suddenly matter next-gen but doesn't matter during this generation.
Better yet I could see developers in the future simply exclude the ps4 version from cross play altogether if Sony keeps this stand. I mean why should developers have to maintain two sets of crossplay infrastructure (ps4/pc and pc/mobile/xbox/switch) because Sony doesnt want to play ball.
"This is for the players" my ass. It's like Sony is patronizing their players and tell them what they should want and what not, like they did with EA Access.
First Sony is Worst Sony
Hopefully their anti-player nonsense comes back to bite them sooner rather than later
Hopefully their anti-player nonsense comes back to bite them sooner rather than later
So because you dont think it is a problem, it is not a problem. How short sighted can you be. Some gamers who only have a PS4 are really upset about no crossplay for some games and account locking. It is not only games... No crossplay means if you want to play with friend, all your friends must own the same console and that influences wich console someone purchases. If they lock your account as with Fortnite, then you are less enticed to start all over on another console. I can agree that it is only a problem for the niche and not the main gaming audiance.
Sony is already projecting to sell 16 million units this year less than Nintendo switches projected 20 million. Trust me they only care about their sales goals. You think these companies are making these fiscal forecast by taking their competitors goal and adding one just so they can say they won lol. If Sony hits their target they'll be happy. Odds are they'll slightly beat their target too.
Switch should outsell Ps4 over the summer it's getting a lot releases and people travel more just like PS4 outsold switch over the first six months due to better software coming out.
Still waiting for PS4 sales to drop due to Minecraft Rocket league and tekken 7 from last year's crossplay drama.
Sony is expecting to sell only 16 million units this year, thats their own expection, they prolly only going to make only that many units.
Crossplay or FO 76 wont change that expection.
Judging from Laydens recent comments I think they will allow it in some form.
I just think it will be a half baked form that doesn't accomplish a whole lot. Like only got random matchmaking like how Rocket League currently does it and not a true cross play / progression like Fortnite that actually let's you play with friends o n other platforms.
They will have to wait until the playing field is more level to try and call their bluff. No way devs and pubs are going to overlook 80 million gamers just to spite sony, business suicide. I mean, would would this hurt more? So either MS and nintendo make up the 24 million gap or devs just continue useing gamers and the media as a form of protest to pressure Sony, they can still make money off the massive user base while getting the message out that they dont like what Sony is doing.
Todd Howard is a huge influencer in this industry. So if Todd Howard says he's being upset after Sony for no crossplay, then the entire industry will heard it. It deserves a thread. It's not like it's "a random IGN journalist blames Sony for no cross play". It deserves it even more than "Reggie and Phil blame Sony" because Todd do develop games for the PS4.
They will only care about their own projected sales. Why would they compare their sales to a relatively new console, when they are approaching the end of their own consoles lifecycle? That's not how these things work.
True, but lets not pretend the other companies would not be jerks in 1st place too.
Well fact is the other companies ain't jerk regarding this matter in our current timeline
What is this? Early 2014? I don't thinking finding people to play with is the problem. If the game supports CP then I'm sure that there would be CP with PC. The point of concern is that more devs, high profile devs will be pushing this all the way into next gen where I highly doubt that Sony will change their stance.
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No, but this is certainly the new intellectually dishonest narrative that is trying to be driven in defense of Sony sensei.
Is Sony stopping Todd from adding crossplay between Xbox and PC then? What's the excuse? It's a very fair point after the comments he made.
If no one is stopping him from doing it and he doesn't implement crossplay between X1 and PC after what he said then that means...
Go ahead and tell us... Tell us the lotto numbers while you are at it.
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