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Jon Carter

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Oct 27, 2017
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Pit bulls were originally bred precisely for killing things though.

Maybe originally, but it hasn't been their sole purpose for a really long time. Pit bulls are pets now. They're used for company and are expected to be trained. You can't say that about guns. Guns are weapons. So I'm definitely against gun culture but I'm also against killing pit bulls. The analogy with guns doesn't work.
 

Schlorgan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Salt Lake City, Utah
If a dog attacks my dog unprovoked, that dog dies. Breed doesn't matter, it's how the owners raise it.
This.

If the owners of those dogs did such a poor job raising them that they'll just attack other animals unwarranted, then they should not be allowed to own dogs and should be held accountable for damages. If the dogs are too messed up to be safe in society then, unfortunately, they should be put down.

Maybe originally, but it hasn't been their sole purpose for a really long time. Pit bulls are pets now. They're used for company and are expected to be trained. You can't say that about guns. Guns are weapons. So I'm definitely against gun culture but I'm also against killing pit bulls. The analogy with guns doesn't work.

100% agree.

I haven't met a pit bull that wasn't a sweetheart and the idea of eliminating the entire breed because of the actions of a small percentage is kind of sickening.

Pits can be wonderful, loyal pets with the right owners, guns are dangerous no matter who owns them.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Pit bulls don't have locking jaws bro this makes you look really dumb and uneducated. Pits don't even have the strongest bite.
You get pits totally wrong, and get the post you replied to totally wrong (locking jaws?) while calling someone else uneducated. I'm embarrassed for you.

Maybe originally, but it hasn't been their sole purpose for a really long time. Pit bulls are pets now. They're used for company and are expected to be trained. You can't say that about guns. Guns are weapons. So I'm definitely against gun culture but I'm also against killing pit bulls. The analogy with guns doesn't work.
Pits are bred for killing, it's part of what the breed is, same as any visual features. You would have to literally take a population of pits and breed them until they were an entirely different breed, in order to say "not a killer breed any more"

Personally I think having a pit bull in a house with children, no matter how cute you think it is, is the same as having an unsecured gun in the house with children.

My jack Russell is the same thing, a breed bred to kill, and it's intrinsic in her nature. The difference is you won't hear stories of a Jack Russell mauling grandma to death for no real reason while the entire family was unable to pull it off of her.
 

The_hypocrite

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Oct 29, 2017
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Flyover State
Dogs should be as safe as possible to be alongside others. I have a small chihuahua terrier mix and I'm keenly aware that I cannot control everything he does. He has certain level of autonomy that I can only moderate by having the leash on him at all times when he's outside. That way I can control him running into traffic, disrupting other people, rushing other dogs, etc. Pitbulls are really strong and have proven their capacity to overpower multiple humans and cause significant harm up to death. I'm not blaming the dog, that just the result of their natural composition. Thus I ask, from all the animals and breeds that are available as pets pitbulls are selected? It should be illegal to have pitbulls or pitbull crossbreds that weight more than 30 pounds or something sensible where the dog cannot overpower humans if their behavior goes out of line.
 

subpar spatula

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Oct 26, 2017
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The only disappointing thing is people skipping over years of statistics that show that pitbulls are a violent breed.
This is a bit tricky. We know thag pitbulls do bite and we also know a lot of owners are intrigued by that image. To get a complete picture, you need to examine the owner of pitbulls who bite: how they are raised, are they neglected, etc. A dog will most likely emulate its owners. Banning something for jaw strength isn't a smart thing because you don't fix the core problem.
 
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This is a bit tricky. We know thag pitbulls do bite and we also know a lot of owners are intrigued by that image. To get a complete picture, you need to examine the owner of pitbulls who bite: how they are raised, are they neglected, etc. A dog will most likely emulate its owners. Banning something for jaw strength isn't a smart thing because you don't fix the core problem.
Its not just jaw strength, it's their tenacity and commitment to kill once they attack. But jaw strength is a valid issue, since the special danger here is the difficulty in stopping or surviving the attack. People who defend pits will say it's only bad owners that have dangerous pits, but sooo many tragedies come with stories from the owners about how it was the sweetest, gentlest dog for its whole life. Yes it loves you, but yes if it is triggered it will rip through your family.
 

subpar spatula

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Oct 26, 2017
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Its not just jaw strength, it's their tenacity and commitment to kill once they attack. But jaw strength is a valid issue, since the special danger here is the difficulty in stopping or surviving the attack. People who defend pits will say it's only bad owners that have dangerous pits, but sooo many tragedies come with stories from the owners about how it was the sweetest, gentlest dog for its whole life. Yes it loves you, but yes if it is triggered it will rip through your family.
Then it wasn't trained properly. I doubt any dog that bites in earnest has had the best upbringing. There's a reason why pitbull owners can pull these dogs away because they're only shown to care for that owner. A baby? No. Another dog? No. Like, these owners are probably the typical pitbull owners: running away the moment the dog bites.

The grand majority of pitbulls are raised well and don't bite or kill because you can easily raise one not to. I went to Canada Day yesterday and this guy had 2 playing with other dogs and kids in the dog park. Shitty owners make shitty pets and it's worse when the pet is actually strong.
 

Fuchsia

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Oct 28, 2017
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Too many people get pits because they want to be a bad ass and have a tough dog. They're sweeties when they are properly trained but they are like having a weapon if not. I was walking by one on a leash two years ago in a park and it lunged and jumped out of no where at me and bit my arm. The owner didn't even say sorry. Just ran away. I had just gotten a super nice coat that I had saved up and spent a lot of money on and he ripped through the arm of it.

Train your damn dogs, people. It's a responsibility for any dog owner. But if you have a pit then you have extra responsibility.
 

mattiewheels

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Oct 27, 2017
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To people who say they're not meant to be pets, what do you suggest? The only real answer is for owners to be responsible.
 

Lentic

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Oct 27, 2017
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Anytime there's a pitbull thread, all I see is a bunch of anecdotes. The stats are there combined with the fact that they are incredibly strong. If you really want a pitbull, you should have to get some kind of license.
 

Lentic

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Can you post a link to the stats. Thanks.
I was referring to the stats posted earlier in this thread, but it looks like they were invalidated by a later post. Still, aren't pitbulls quite strong and have a reputation for attracting shitty owners? It would be for everyone's benefit, dogs included, if some kind of requirement was put into place.
 

XL Hoodie

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anytime there's a pitbull thread, all I see is a bunch of anecdotes. The stats are there combined with the fact that they are incredibly strong. If you really want a pitbull, you should have to get some kind of license.

Then you should need a license for german shepherds, chows, huskies, rotts, and dobermans, or any other dog that could be considered dangerous. Where are the threads every time one of those dogs attack?
 

Commedieu

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Nov 11, 2017
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"Pitbulls" are bred to be family dogs. Owners fuck them up. Ban pits, And folks would just make the next breed violent/trained poorly. The problem is the people and lack of oversight/yearly training certificate or something. Make sure folks have adequate space for big dogs.. etc. Etc.
 

nicoga3000

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hey OP - call animal control. Had this happen to my dog. We didn't call when a German Shepard attacked her. Fortunately she's OK, but she is 100% emotionally impacted. Owners said this was the first time it's ever happened...Come to find out this was at least the 3rd.

Yes, the idea of causing Animal separation from family is heartbreaking, but if that Animal is a danger to other people or animals, it needs to be handled.
 

The_hypocrite

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Oct 29, 2017
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Flyover State
To people who say they're not meant to be pets, what do you suggest? The only real answer is for owners to be responsible.
This isn't a good take. Let's say you are a responsible owner today, are you responsible all the time? Are you always up for it? What if you get sick? What if? Do you understand that the label of responsible isn't permanent? What do we do with the dog then? How does it solve the problem of your dog going deaf or getting sick and modifying his behavior in a way that endangers others? Dogs to be pets must be capable of being around humans safely in as many scenarios as possible and I fail to see pitbulls meeting that standard.

What if they brake their leash and lunge at others? Are you going to be that person explaining how pits are the sweetest dogs?
 

MThanded

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Oct 26, 2017
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I was referring to the stats posted earlier in this thread, but it looks like they were invalidated by a later post. Still, aren't pitbulls quite strong and have a reputation for attracting shitty owners? It would be for everyone's benefit, dogs included, if some kind of requirement was put into place.
If you want to actually have requirements its probably better to do it by weight than by breed. Any big dog can do serious harm. You will have a hard time defining what a "pitbull" is. Most people couldn't pick one out of a lineup.

Beyond that it is probably best not to confuse anecdotal conjecture with reality. These threads always devolve into people throwing opinions around as facts.
 

Hoodbury

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Oct 27, 2017
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You know, part of the reason I trained my dog to ignore other dogs is because he doesn't do well with other dogs. He gets really skittish really easily. When dogs, especially big dogs come up to him, he freezes and cowers and starts growling. He's just a sensitive dog who can't really handle other dogs. When we go to the park, I put a yellow ribbon on his leash which is supposed to be a sign that you don't want other people to bring their dogs around yours, and it never works. It's annoying when people with dogs just walk up to your dog like they expect the dogs to instantly get along or something. I take my dog on walks and to the park because he needs exercise, otherwise he's all wound up at the house. It's not really to go and let people pet him, or for other dogs to play with him, or any of that. He really doesn't want that, either. He wants to go and exercise, then go home.

Frustrating day.
I have never heard of this yellow ribbon thing. Is this common knowledge?

Sorry this happened to you and your dog. I will never understand why people don't leash their dogs, any dogs, all dogs.
 

The_hypocrite

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Oct 29, 2017
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Flyover State
"Pitbulls" are bred to be family dogs. Owners fuck them up. Ban pits, And folks would just make the next breed violent/trained poorly. The problem is the people and lack of oversight/yearly training certificate or something. Make sure folks have adequate space for big dogs.. etc. Etc.
Nah. You ban pitbulls and also ban shitty humans from owning big dogs that can seriously harm others.
 

XL Hoodie

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Oct 25, 2017
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U.S.
This isn't a good take. Let's say you are a responsible owner today, are you responsible all the time? Are you always up for it? What if you get sick? What if? Do you understand that the label of responsible isn't permanent? What do we do with the dog then? How does it solve the problem of your dog going deaf or getting sick and modifying his behavior in a way that endangers others? Dogs to be pets must be capable of being around humans safely in as many scenarios as possible and I fail to see pitbulls meeting that standard.

What if they brake their leash and lunge at others? Are you going to be that person explaining how pits are the sweetest dogs?

WTF is this? Don't ever get a dog man. If you do, don't leash it with Bubble Tape.
 

joylevel11

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May 19, 2018
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definitely call the police. the fact that they got in their car and disappeared makes me think that they shouldn't have those dogs. i don't know what the laws are where you are but here there are a lot of people with illegal dogs. if my pet attacked another pet i'd be devastated and do everything i could for that other person and their pet. i wouldn't run away. i'd think any responsible pet owner would do the same.

they are scumbags and while it's a shame that the dogs might get put down i think it is the right thing to do to call the police. they could've killed your dog and if you let them off then maybe one day they will kill someone elses pet. also, again i don't know the laws where you are, but they should be held responsible for your vet bills.
 

Netherscourge

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Oct 25, 2017
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I take my dog to the park every day as part of our exercise routine, and today there were 2 jackasses hitting golf balls in the park with their pitbulls unleashed sitting beside them. My dog is trained to ignore other dogs so we continued out walk, and when we came around the curve on this path, the two pitbulls made a dash for my dog and started attacking him, gang style. They cut my dog's face up pretty good, he's bleeding down the side of his face. I kicked one of the pitbulls hard in the head to get him off my dog. As soon as it happened, the guys grabbed their dogs, ran to their car, and took off. My dog, scared because this was the first time he'd ever fought another dog in his life, took off running towards our house and I had to sprint to catch him. By the time I caught him, the guys were gone.

I dunno if I should call the police or not. I didn't get their license plate number, or see where they went, but they obviously lived in the neighborhood (it's a tiny park in the middle of the neighborhood). I think if I call the cops, they might destroy the dogs, which I don't want. But those are precisely the type of awful dog owners I hate. Who the fuck brings two pitbulls to the park without a leash? I'm so happy my dog wasn't more seriously injured.

Should I call the cops or just take care of my dog?

There might be surveillance video of the vehicle or the two assholes and their dogs. I'd call the cops.

Hopefully have the owners arrested.

If the dogs will attack another dog on-site without provocation, they are not fit for general society and will probably be put down. Can't take chances with them now.

Their asshole owners bear 100% responsibility for whatever those dogs do and whatever fate lies for those dogs.
 

tuxfool

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Oct 25, 2017
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It should be noted that here, it isn't just Pitbulls that need obligatory social responsibility insurance by law, there are five or six breeds where that is necessary.
 

Exilexc

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Nov 1, 2017
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Take your pet to the vet, the bill will suck but I can almost assure you if they are biting other dogs they don't have all their proper shots. (This is also the reason you call the cops to get the vet records of the other party if possible)

Sorry, that happened to you. Some people don't realize the effect it can have on you and your pet. Show your pet a lot of love but also take it a dog park that has a GREAT reputation for not having dog fights... do your research first.
This will help ensure your pet will have a normal temperament going forward with other dogs. Try to get out there as soon as possible.

As far as the police, DEFINITELY call it in. Give a great description of the dogs, people, and truck. You will NOT be the only person attacked or having an incident. Owners and Dogs will have consequences for this.
If you were as petty as me, I would ride around the neighborhood to find the truck to give the police more information.

I know how you feel. I don't condone violence but I've had to kick/fight a dog and dog owner before to protect my dog, and I have a timid German Shepard.

Also, for the people in this thread who do not encounter Pit bulls much. They are no different from any other dogs, in fact, my GS loves playing with them and typically they are just the happiest dogs at the dog park.
It's the owners that really drop the ball with them, its unfortunate.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think a lot of people don't believe dog breeds have their own temperament and behavior characteristics. They think breeds are just physical traits. That's how I'm reading a lot of the comments.
 

mattiewheels

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Oct 27, 2017
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The_hypocrite , you're assuming every single pit bull is violent, which is absolutely not true. I'm interested in what you suggest we do with pit bulls, I'm not trying to stir it up, I'm genuinely interested in solutions.
 

tuxfool

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think a lot of people don't believe dog breeds have their own temperament and behavior characteristics. They think breeds are just physical traits. That's how I'm reading a lot of the comments.
It's weird. There are definitely mental amd emotional traits in different breeds. It isn't by any means some rigid rule, but there are demonstrably clear patterns.
 
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So, OP, any update? Curious as to see what the response will be from law enforcement/animal control.

Also, nothing gets the internet riled up like a pitbull thread, it never fails.
 
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So, OP, any update? Curious as to see what the response will be from law enforcement/animal control.

Also, nothing gets the internet riled up like a pitbull thread, it never fails.

My dog is doing well today. The swelling went down, and he looks normal, albeit some cuts on his hind leg near the knee and his face. He still has been clingy all day (took the day off just to make sure I could be around and that the swelling went down) but I don't mind my dog wanting some attention.

Police came yesterday, took my report, said they'd patrol the park throughout the week to see if they see the guys coming back, and might come back for further help if they get reports of other dog attacks, but other than that they said there isn't much they could do. Said they hadn't heard of other dog attacks in the area recently.
 

NewDonkStrong

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Nov 7, 2017
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As a someone who lives in L.A., you could probably fix a lot of the problems with bad pitbulls by simply banning anyone with facial tattoos from owning one.
 

Commedieu

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Nov 11, 2017
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Nah. You ban pitbulls and also ban shitty humans from owning big dogs that can seriously harm others.

That's what licensing would effectively do. But it isn't the breed that's the problem. A dog will be made vicious by owners. If they had to meet certain criteria for big dogs, likely responsible people would be the majority of folks owning them.

According to all of the urban myth, ops dog should be dead. Literally crushed to death by the powerful jaws pits have. And under no circumstance would they have been able to kick it away, due to, you know, pitBulls being the spawn of satan herself.

Seems that the attack sustained could gave been some rots or German Sheppard and the same result would gave happened with shitty owners.

Hardly within an inch of its life, which is the mass hysteria.behind pit bull attacks. Everyone calls a certain type of dog pit bull... it would be a large weird ban that likely wouldn't gain any traction due to there being nuances in dog breeds.

But morons shouldnt be able to free roam bigger dogs. Fines would be good. But then you get into resources. I don't think animal control or police has the capacity.

Too many irresponsible owners train pits to be lethal weapons and unpredictable. I'd be scared of a pack of dobermans raised the same way, would you not?
 

NameUser

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Call the cops. Sucks, but some dogs are beyond hope because of their dumbass owners. So it's best they be destroyed instead of allowing them to attack another dog or possibly a child next.
 

XL Hoodie

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That's what licensing would effectively do. But it isn't the breed that's the problem. A dog will be made vicious by owners. If they had to meet certain criteria for big dogs, likely responsible people would be the majority of folks owning them.

According to all of the urban myth, ops dog should be dead. Literally crushed to death by the powerful jaws pits have. And under no circumstance would they have been able to kick it away, due to, you know, pitBulls being the spawn of satan herself.

Seems that the attack sustained could gave been some rots or German Sheppard and the same result would gave happened with shitty owners.

Hardly within an inch of its life, which is the mass hysteria.behind pit bull attacks. Everyone calls a certain type of dog pit bull... it would be a large weird ban that likely wouldn't gain any traction due to there being nuances in dog breeds.

But morons shouldnt be able to free roam bigger dogs. Fines would be good. But then you get into resources. I don't think animal control or police has the capacity.

Too many irresponsible owners train pits to be lethal weapons and unpredictable. I'd be scared of a pack of dobermans raised the same way, would you not?

They do fine you if they find out who the owner is. I have been fined, put on probation, and served STS for "dog at large" before.
 

Pomerlaw

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Main problem with Pit bulls when they attack, major injuries ensue. Or death.

Add to this the fact that most pit bull owners are total douchebags.
 

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My dog is doing well today. The swelling went down, and he looks normal, albeit some cuts on his hind leg near the knee and his face. He still has been clingy all day (took the day off just to make sure I could be around and that the swelling went down) but I don't mind my dog wanting some attention.

Police came yesterday, took my report, said they'd patrol the park throughout the week to see if they see the guys coming back, and might come back for further help if they get reports of other dog attacks, but other than that they said there isn't much they could do. Said they hadn't heard of other dog attacks in the area recently.

Too bad they may get away with it. People should muzzle their dogs.

My parents cats both escape for a brief time and got into a fight with another cat/animal a few weeks ago. The younger girl cat was shook up for days.

Your a good owner and your taking good car of your animal friend.
 
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I'll say this about the guys -- I've been taking my dog on walks to that park for 8 years now going on 9. Just about every day, weather permitting. In the winter, we go at about 5:30 pm because the sun sets, and in summer we go at 7:30 pm because otherwise the ground is too hot and can blister my dog's paws. So every day, for years and years now, on this same schedule. Because of that, I have gotten to know some other dog owners who I see walking their dogs every day on the same schedule.

These two guys? Never, ever seen them before. Ever. This was the first time I'd ever seen them at the park, and since my dog and I walk the entire neighborhood a few times, I recognize cars too, and had never seen their car in the neighborhood. So I wonder if they are either new to the neighborhood, or perhaps from somewhere else.

I keep going back to them playing golf in the park. Who the fuck does that? Again, it wasn't a driving range. It was a park with a playground and a track going around it. Just seems stupid and trashy. Hur hur, let's go hit golf balls into an empty playground with my 2 pitbulls unleashed by my side.
 

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Call the police and report it. This is why pitbulls are a dangerous breed. They can be raised to be great dogs but most owners are awful and don't know what they are doing. Wouldn't let my dogs or a child near any pittbull.
 

Avenger54321

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Sorry to hear OP, Glad to hear your dog is doing okay. I'm a large dog owner myself (I own a Presa Canario which they have a bad rep too) but I took time while raising him to make sure nothing like this happens for dog owners with small dogs or children. Hope the guys that own the dogs get caught
 
Nov 9, 2017
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My best friend often tries to unleash his dog at parks b/c he knows his dog is "perfectly trained". When people rightfully ask him to leash her for her own protection and to respect the rules he gets so upset. How hard is it to just follow the rules, I'm sure everyone else also thinks their dog is perfect and doesn't need leashing but they do it anyways.