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Todd Howard blames Sony for no cross play in Fallout 76 (No plans to add currently - Post #950)
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I don't see anywhere that says there isn't Xbox/PC crossplay, but is that what you're most concerned about?
You have to wonder with all this talk from Developers/Publishers if Sony react's?
I feel the account issue will get resolved in some way. But cross play is something I feel may stay the way it is for Sony until start of Next gen.
I feel the account issue will get resolved in some way. But cross play is something I feel may stay the way it is for Sony until start of Next gen.
Do you see anywhere that says there is? Todd was asked about crossplay in general, not just console crossplay and he blamed Sony for why there wouldn't be crossplay at all. Is there a part where he specifically said no console crossplay? Doesn't seem like it from the OP.
Regardless, if he doesn't add it to PC/X1 then it's pretty clear he never had any intention to implement crossplay. We'll just have to wait and see if he adds it to PC/X1 and if people call him out on it if he doesn't.
Also the developers are the ones that have to all the work for crossplay, they decided not to put this feature in the game is very different than a platform holder just saying no
Is there no crossplay between XB1 and PC either? Wondering because I plan to play this with a friend and he's on Xb1.
Cross platform has been done without Sony before, so how is Sony stopping anything?
Really it sounds like Howard is being good guy here and joining the cause against the current news of Sony's Fortnite issue.
98% of games are being released without cross platform play and suddenly it's all just because of Sony?
You must lived under a rock recently. Sony blocks content of games on other consoles that offer cross-play if you once played it on your Playstation.
See, this is the intellectual dishonesty stuff I was talking about. It is anything but clear.
A multitude of reasons may be the case. Universal platform crossplay may have been what could have been the tipping point for them adding it or not during planning. It is much easier, less expensive and less time consuming for devs to handle one entire server and account ecosystem rather than one that is split. ESPECIALLY for a game that is supposed to have legs. This could be the reason that Todd was annoyed. Because now it will cost them more all around to implement any sort of crossplay, let alone multiplayer infrastructure. Who knows, maybe they deemed it not worth the cost for them during the planning stages given that and Sony's non cooperation.
Whole lot of assumptions you're making. Got anything to back that up, breh?
People have been claiming for so long that enabling crossplay is as easy as "flipping a switch". Obviously that's an oversimplification, but if it's truly as easy as many devs have been claiming it is since all this crossplay drama started, then your assumptions don't really hold much water. Aside from maybe Todd is throwing a temper tantrum and won't enable it at all because Sony won't allow it. For a game that's "supposed to have legs", having two platforms playing together is better than no platforms playing together.
How come the accounts can't be neutral accounts and servers? How come they have to be psn or live accounts?
Or maybe he realizes that mixing mouse and keyboard players with controller players in an FPS is a bad idea but he would like to put all console players together.
You're making a massive assumption saying he would never want crossplay just because he isn't going to do it with the PC. There are very clear reasons why in an FPS game you wouldn't want to do that.
I just think it's a massive fallacy to say that.
Isn't Fallout 76 a shared open world? I would imagine there is more to enabling crossplay in that kind of game than it is to flip a switch in standard multiplayer games.
us forum posters know more than the people actually making the games
or at least that's what I've learned from this thread
First off... No, I don't... Like, I wrote that entire thing specifically as a piece of speculation because we don't know... All we can do is guess. It is anything but clear...
As for the second part, this is yet another intellectually dishonest argument I keep hearing where 1+1 must equal 1 where in truth we know that you can't just look at something that one dev is doing and say that, well they did it so it should be easy for you... Game dev is much more complex than that with many interwoven systems at play that dictate what you can and can't do in any given scenario. We have heard that crossplay is "as easy as flipping a switch" from devs of certain games with a certain type of multiplayer that can't be 1-1 compared to Fallout. These devs have also dedicated time to implement the infrastructure for crossplay. But none of us know what Fallouts backend looks like. Nor do we know what the backend of any of these others look like. All we can do is take the word of those who have said it is easy for them in their particular infrastructure. And who knows, maybe it is still easy for Fallout to implement it. Regardless, I have to imagine that the reason those same devs keep pushing so hard for universal crossplay even while saying that crossplay is easy to turn on is because it would be that much easier for them to maintain and sustain as time goes on as well as whatever other moral and financial reasons they might have.
it's "flipping a switch" for platform holders Sony/MS/Nintendo, they don't need to do anything other than allow it. the developers are the ones that need to do all the hard work on their servers to talk to all the platforms.
It's as easy as flipping a switch if the game is built to have cross platform support. There's a lot of possibilities here. One is that Todd may be full of it and using Sony as a convenient scapegoat. Another is that he's not and not supporting crossplay makes sense due to the logistical hurdles involved. Do you just do MS/PC? Do you do PSN/PC? What if console players don't want to game with keyboard/mouse PC players? Do we have to have 3 distinct setups for PC only, PS4 only, Xbox only, and then also do Xbox plus PC and PSN plus PC? For a persistent game this could theoretically be problematic and perhaps an all or nothing approach makes sense.
I don't know. I will honestly say though that given that we know Sony's stance on cross console play I don't really know why one would default to deflecting all criticism from Sony. Sure, Todd could be lying I guess and maybe journalists should follow up on this. But I don't really see why we can't also continue to pressure Sony on their crossplay stance. It's pretty clear that some are just looking to make sure we have some other angle to these stories that isn't just making Sony look bad. Maybe there'll be a free to play mode in Fallout 76 and we can point out how that mode will be locked behind Gold on Xbox One!
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Everyone remember when Epic accidentally flipped the switch and allowed PS4 and XBO cross play for a couple of hours?
I'm assuming there will be XBO/PC cross play, but the question wasn't asked in that manner. He was responding to the topic du jour which was PS4.
Maybe, maybe not. At least when it comes to FFXIV (not the exact same idea, but similar and more complicated, if anything), the major hurdle are the regulations put forth on the consoles, hence why it's still not on Xbox One.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/17/square-enix-wants-to-bring-final-fantasy-14-to-xbox-one
Your mouse and keyboard excuse is an awful one. Look at the incredibly competitive game, Fortnite. People are playing on their smartphones against people using keyboard/mouse and controller and no one has been complaining.
I just think it's a massive fallacy to say that when a current game proves you wrong.
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god this is so tired man
i wish you assholes cared this much back in the older generations when we had 3 systems with the same ports and nobody could play with anyone else
i can't help but feel like all the whining this generation is just disingenuous and Sony is a scapegoat for a practice that literally everyone has been doing for decades
i wish you assholes cared this much back in the older generations when we had 3 systems with the same ports and nobody could play with anyone else
i can't help but feel like all the whining this generation is just disingenuous and Sony is a scapegoat for a practice that literally everyone has been doing for decades
Wouldn't that probably mean they would have to have two separate player pools Xbox/PC and PS4/PC? Maybe Bethesda just can't be arsed having to do everything twice when they could do it once for everybody?
So... we should stop? I don't understand. I mean, if you would have wanted people to care then, then why not be happy that people care now?
or maybe, and stay with me here, just maybe cross play has picked up a lot of steam recently because of the changing landscape of the video game industry
Gonna crosspost something from the other crossplay thread that I think applies right now.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but crossplay in Fortnite doesn't matchmake you to other systems. A Switch user must be invited to a PC players party to play with PC players. It's not true crossplay, which makes sense because the average controller user doesn't want to play against someone with an obvious mechanical advantage anyway.
Do you have anything to back up your own assumption they never had any intentions of doing crossplay? No you do not so don't impose your opinions above others. Todd is not throwing a temper tantrum and just removes more of your credibility on this whole issue. He was asked a question and gave an honest answer. Sounds to me you took it personal.
Or they could just do Xbox/PC and leave PS4 isolated. If Todd really wanted crossplay as much as he claims, that's the logical thing to do. Overall point is, there are options if he truly wants to implement it.
We'll have a better idea of what the situation is once the game is closer to release in regards to whether crossplay is added with X1 and PC or not, and whether Todd comments on it if not.
I'm not trying to deflect criticism from Sony, I'm more questioning why we aren't being more consistent with the crossplay criticisms, especially when someone like Todd comments on liking it, but then (possibly) doesn't put his money where his mouth is and implements it where he can.
Of course X1/PC crossplay may be in the works. Hopefully he's questioned on it at some point in the near future so we have a better idea of what's going on with that.
Or, again, maybe he does want to implement it but it was deemed too much to be supporting an ununified crossplay ecosystem for them.
I'm sure he doesn't want to piss off Sony the corporation and PlayStation owner's by offering only Xbox/PC but if that is the scenario in question then they probably just won't implement it for anyone, unfortunately.
You're right
but this is why it bothers me so much
everyone was lax about it until they saw how much money was in it
I'd like to see it just as much as everyone else but, again, the whining feels disingenuous to me
From devs its whatever, but especially so from the big three
And if the game is any combination of PC/Xbox/Switch and THOSE aren't confirming cross play too then it's just extra BS
Because tiny developer Bethesda just can't handle it? Do you have any examples of games where that's the case? I can't think of one,
And why the game is worse precisely ? What Cross play has to do with the game's quality ?
Yeah Sony needs to just let this happen. Put it behind the PS Plus paywall. I would like this to happen sooner than later. Kinda want to play with my friends but not trying to buy an xbox. Doesn't fit my budget at the time.
Somehow I don't think they're concerned about pissing off Sony after Todd flat out announces Sony is the reason why crossplay isn't happening.
See, here we go again with the, well this dev is doing x thing and so is this one so therefore this dev should be able to do x thing as well in their game.
I have plenty of examples of games with terrible online infrastructure yes...
Along with Bethesda games being historically janky and buggy... This is the fallout teams first time doing multiplayer on the games engine. I can imagine they don't want to make things harder than they need to. Not saying that split crossplay won't come. Just that it makes sense that they would be so annoyed that Sony is making the job all the more harder for them.
i commonly have a dissenting opinion in threads like these it seems, even when i'm actually aligned
no matter how hard i try to preemptively state my position i always find myself having to wade through multiple dumb quotes to clear shit up so i don't even bother anymore lol
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That said
i'm not about to sit here and throw pitchforks at sony for doing what most of the people bitching about has been doing without batting an eye. I'm not in the business of supporting hypocrites.
Sucks that the wheel stopped with Sony on top at such a pivotal moment, but i really have no empathy for opportunists. Because if it had stopped on Nintendo or Microsoft i have absolutely no doubt in my mind that it would be no different.
so yeah, pile on the shame for the sake of the next gen, for the cause. But the shit is still tired AF to me. Again, if everyone was so gung-ho about all gamers being able to play together than this would have been solved as early as the PS3/360 era. But it very much wasn't.
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You can say "here we go again with..", but I'm asking so I can see what you're basing your claims off of besides just making the assumption that you're making things up. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I didn't ask for games with "terrible online infrastructure".
In the end, whether Bethesda implements crossplay or not with X1/PC (and whether they give any justification as to why not, if not) will be the most telling thing.
Why, so you can feel validation if they don't put it in and say they just called out Sony for no reason?
No, you are being intellectually dishonest even after I've explained it to you several times. You never answered this post btw so maybe you didn't read it but it explains what I am saying.
now we're back at the whole "the video game industry as a whole has come a long way in the last 5 years let alone since last gen" thing in regards to your point that this could have been solved last gen. but I think that's blatantly obvious at this point so I'm left scratching my chin as to why people keep trying to bring up last gen like it matters
also nothing is stopping you from, you know, not engaging with threads that you deem "tired AF"
So we can see who's full of it when it comes to people who complain about lack of crossplay in games.
And also see if Todd was full of it, sure.
Is that just your favorite thing to claim? Is that your go-to deflection tactic? I'm asking for real world examples to back up your claims, it's fair. You're simply making up excuses without any basis for your claims. It's pretty astonishing how people will jump to the defense of lack of crossplay when Sony isn't the one preventing it.
And what do you want me to say about that post? You aren't asking anything in it, it's just a long post of "maybe (insert excuse here)...?"
I don't think you can count those scenarios as the same thing or as having anywhere near the same kind of impact.
Paragraph of text from an interview vs Excluding one platform from crossplay
Do you think Sony plays it like this?
Bethesda says we want cross play, Sony says nope.
Bethesda says "ok Sony, we'll do cross play with pc and xbox"
Sony say "how about we don't let you release it at all on out 80 million unit selling platform?"
Bethesda say "ok, no cross play"
Lol
I doubt it's really like this but I could imagine some light hearted convo like that.
Bethesda says we want cross play, Sony says nope.
Bethesda says "ok Sony, we'll do cross play with pc and xbox"
Sony say "how about we don't let you release it at all on out 80 million unit selling platform?"
Bethesda say "ok, no cross play"
Lol
I doubt it's really like this but I could imagine some light hearted convo like that.
Actually, I'm not trying to deflect anything, I'm trying to keep you on track.
I was referring to the part where I was talking about 1+1 = 1. Do you need me to explain this to you? Not trying to be snide.
I see what you're trying to do here. Using my own words and arguments against me. It's cute I'll give you that! But unfortunately it won't work.
In Fortnite crossplay is an opt in. When a mobile user is playing against PC users it is because that mobile user is partied up with a PC player. That mobile player is choosing to play against unfair competition and he probably doesn't care because he just wants to play with his friends. If you're just jumping into a random game of fortnite on mobile you are playing against other mobile users because anything else would be completely unfair.
And when that mobile player parties up with his PC friend it is the mobile user who is getting matched up against other PC players, not the other way around. Do you know why? Because even Epic knows that it's inherently unfair for mobile players to go up against PC players, so if they're going to mix and match they're going to make sure that the burden is on the mobile player who chose to put himself in an objectively worse position competitively speaking.
For fallout 76 I believe Todd Howards said at E3 that he doesn't want players to see a server browser. He wants populating the world to be as natural as possible. So that probably means that an opt in system doesn't work with the team's vision. They'd probably be ok with naturally populating worlds with Xbox and Playstation users mixed together because they're all just using analog sticks, while he would be less inclined to throw PC users into the mix because the competitive advantage a mouse and keyboard has over a controller is insanely high. You don't have to agree with the decision, but it certainly doesn't mean that choosing not to enable crossplay between PC and console means it would never have happened between Xbox and Playstation. I mean Todd Howard literally said crossplay is not a thing because of Sony's stance. I'd be inclined to believe the devs on their own game.
So no. The m+kb vs controller argument is valid. Even Fortnite takes it into consideration with its matchmaking. It was a nice, cute try on your part though. Better luck next time!
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