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SPOILERS The Walking Dead TV show leak and comic book thread SPOILERS
- Thread starter RatskyWatsky
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TSDF has some new details about Rick's departure from the series, namely when and how it occurs.
We can now confirm that Rick Grimes' story comes to an end in episode 5. He DOES die in that episode.
Looking at all the recent photo evidence of the large herd and the leaked script page that was partially deciphered, we think it is safe to say that the herd plays a part in Rick's death.
Once more detailed information becomes available, we will update.
Looking at all the recent photo evidence of the large herd and the leaked script page that was partially deciphered, we think it is safe to say that the herd plays a part in Rick's death.
Once more detailed information becomes available, we will update.
I wonder if he is going to get something like Andrea's comic book death.
I hope they give him the same drawn out and incredibly pointless death that they recently gave to a Fear character.
My number one fear (ha) is that TWD looks to Fear for tips on how to transition away from one lead protagonist to the next. The way they did it in Fear was incredibly jarring and disappointing— the idea wasn't necessarily bad (though I don't think I would have liked it regardless), but the way they 1) made Madison almost a totally different person, and 2) drew out the reveal of her fate over eight episodes was just absolutely poor.
I don't think Rick's exit is necessarily a bad thing for the show at this point - the story of him and his family is more or less over by the end of season eight, sans Judith - but it's how they do it and handle its aftermath that I'm worried about.
You know what, people always complain when a show follows the same tropes and gets boring. Hell people have complained about TWD comic for the same thing as things got predictable for a comic that started out great precisely because it was unpredictable.
I think this could turn very interesting if they say fuck it and make
Negan or Maggie the new main
This is a spoiler thread. No need for spoiler tags.
That said, I expect them to double-down on Norman Reedus. They'll just give all the money they would have given to Andy to him.
Killing Rick could legitimately help the show in the end -- but I do believe they killed off Carl without knowing that Lincoln would be leaving, which (for me at least) really hits home the fact that killing Carl was a massive mistake.
In regard to Fear, I've loved this season so far after loving last season as well. But that mid-season finale put a complete stop on the growth that the show had done. Fear spoilers below since this is not specifically a thread for that:
I understand that the actor who played Nick wanted to leave. Nothing to be done there and his death was very well done and legitimately shocking. But because of that, they should have made sure Madison didn't die. It really makes it feel like the new showrunners came in and said, "Fuck everything before this," and rebooted the show with Morgan and new characters. And I like the new characters.
But to have Morgan join the show yet never actually meet Madison? That's bad. To have Nick die and rob the audience of Madison's reaction to his death and how it changes her as a person -- perhaps pushing her more in the direction of a ruthless Governor-esque character? That's bad.
On top of that, the way the death itself was handled was needlessly convoluted and did not feel "final" at all. Given the franchise's history with fake deaths, you need to show a major character death like this. A silhouetted visual of Madison shooting herself so that she didn't feel the walkers killing her. Seeing her as a walker in the stadium. Something. Instead, they essentially killed off the main character of the show for four seasons off screen.
I could not have been more disappointed. Thankfully, they did kill her off screen, which leads me to believe they're either a) badly screwing with fans or b) leaving themselves some breathing room if they decide they made a mistake. As it stands, I think they fell into the same trap that the original show has fallen into.
But to have Morgan join the show yet never actually meet Madison? That's bad. To have Nick die and rob the audience of Madison's reaction to his death and how it changes her as a person -- perhaps pushing her more in the direction of a ruthless Governor-esque character? That's bad.
On top of that, the way the death itself was handled was needlessly convoluted and did not feel "final" at all. Given the franchise's history with fake deaths, you need to show a major character death like this. A silhouetted visual of Madison shooting herself so that she didn't feel the walkers killing her. Seeing her as a walker in the stadium. Something. Instead, they essentially killed off the main character of the show for four seasons off screen.
I could not have been more disappointed. Thankfully, they did kill her off screen, which leads me to believe they're either a) badly screwing with fans or b) leaving themselves some breathing room if they decide they made a mistake. As it stands, I think they fell into the same trap that the original show has fallen into.
Pretty sure the people running AMC haven't suddenly decided that they hate money. Despite the ratings decline, TWD is still the #1 ad delivery vehicle on cable. You don't just "end" that when you've got it going for you.
But they won't. They've shown time and time again they're not creative enough for that.
Also, Maggie's leaving too.
Yeah, no shit.
Put the show out of its misery. Having Rick die to a random herd after everything that has happened in the series is completely nonsensical and laughable
That *will not* last with multiple key cast members leaving. The show has been in steady ratings decline for several years.
They'll continue to bleed viewers since the show has gotten stale as shit and all the cast is leaving, I gave up years ago. The comic will do.
Breaking Bad wants to have a word with you. Or even Lost. There are many shows where the showrunners said "This is the story, this cant go on any longer", no matter how great the ratings were.
Walking Dead's always had its biggest stuff happening midseason. I can't remember a single memorable season finale of the series.
Breaking Bad was absolutely never a ratings powerhouse. The only time it could be somewhat compared to The Walking Dead was second half of the final season -- and even then, it didn't touch TWD.
Every single season of Breaking bad averaged around 1.5 million per episode until the final season. The first half of that averaged about 2.5m and the second half had a massive jump where episodes were doing 5 or 6 million per episode.
The Walking Dead was averaging 11-14 million viewers for seasons 3 through 7. Season 8 saw a large drop but even it still averaged 7 million.
Not really. Lost overstayed its welcome by several seasons, and Breaking Bad didn't see monster ratings anywhere near the level of TWD until its final season.
This is a bit hyperbolic. They announced Lost would be ending during season 3 -- when ratings started to dip due to a poor first half and audiences becoming frustrated that the plot wasn't going anywhere. It then had a creative resurgence in seasons 4 and 5 and ended in season 6 but never reached the ratings highs of the first two seasons.
Chandler actually had intended to stay on the show for a long time, and bought (or was in the process of buying? I can't remember) a house near the set so that it would be easier. He'd been assured that they still had plans for Carl in the future, which is why he was planning for it, but then they decided to kill him off instead.
It seems to me - and this is just speculation - like they might be trying to downplay his importance to the series. Hell, if you go on AMC's official Twitter page, their banner has Norman Reedus on it right in the center, and Andrew Lincoln is nowhere to be seen.
Rick is seriously the only reason im still watching,
show might get better without him but I certainly wouldn't be around for it.
show might get better without him but I certainly wouldn't be around for it.
TSDF updated their post regarding Rick with this message:
(TPTB = The Powers That Be / AMC and the show's crew)
For context, this was tweeted out on the official TWD Twitter account earlier yesterday:
Hard to say exactly what's happening at this point. I still believe Rick is absolutely gone this season though.
(TPTB = The Powers That Be / AMC and the show's crew)
For context, this was tweeted out on the official TWD Twitter account earlier yesterday:
Hard to say exactly what's happening at this point. I still believe Rick is absolutely gone this season though.
The show doesn't have the right star presence to keep it going after Andrew is gone. As much as I love him, I can't imagine Daryl being able to carry the show as the lead. All they need to do is learn from Fear and do a soft refresh on the cast. Bring in some well written interesting leads that we'll care about.
Kirkman confirms Lincoln's departure.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...kirkman-confirms-andrew-lincolns-exit-1128515
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...kirkman-confirms-andrew-lincolns-exit-1128515
The Whisperers are in this season. My guess is Rick will be one of the heads on a stake they use as a message.
It's actually quite fitting for this show to become a shambling corpse long past its "best before" date, wouldn't you agree?
I'm just sad that this TV show became a shadow of a former self. I used to love it until the season after Glen's and Abe's deaths. I see that season as the beginning of the end.
Nah... THIS was the beginning of the end... when Nicholas was told what would happen on The Walking Dead over the next 3 seasons and he elected to peace out...
Followed by the unnecessary Glenn death dumpster dive fakeout mere episodes before his actual death.
This was the "jump the shark" moment for the show.
TWD #184 cover revealed.
"Eugene Tinkers"
Eugene Tinkers… but to what end?
https://www.skybound.com/the-walking-dead/comic/the-walking-dead-issue-184-covers-book-15-revealed/
I seriously love that Princess variant. Also it looks like Eugene might be trying to connect The Commonwealth and other communities by train.
"Eugene Tinkers"
Eugene Tinkers… but to what end?
https://www.skybound.com/the-walking-dead/comic/the-walking-dead-issue-184-covers-book-15-revealed/
I seriously love that Princess variant. Also it looks like Eugene might be trying to connect The Commonwealth and other communities by train.
Nah... THIS was the beginning of the end... when Nicholas was told what would happen on The Walking Dead over the next 3 seasons and he elected to peace out...
Followed by the unnecessary Glenn death dumpster dive fakeout mere episodes before his actual death.
This was the "jump the shark" moment for the show.
This was absolutely the beginning of the end and the show has been rolling down a hill ever since.
- Glenn's fake death. Aside from it being incredibly obvious that he wasn't dead, it was also ridiculous for him to survive. "Under a dumpster" has basically become the modern "jumped the shark."
- After that, we get another fake out death with the terrible "Dwight shoots Daryl" cliffhanger at the end of the season's penultimate episode. Another attempt at shocking the audience by assuming the audience is stupid, this time with an embarrassingly bad blood splatter on the screen.
- They then ruined one of the most iconic scenes in comic book history -- which could have gone down as one of the most iconic scenes in television history -- by turning it into a cheap cliffhanger. That season finale as a whole was actually incredibly foreboding and pretty well done (despite the writers making the characters act like complete idiots over the last few episodes to get to the situation they were in). Imagine if they simply ended the season with Glenn being murdered. We see it happen, we see the survivors on the ground in emotional agony as the Saviors drive away. The episode ends. That is a moment.
- It feels as if they decided to overcompensate for the massive amount of blowback against the cliffhanger by killing off two characters. To this day, I do not believe the plan was originally to kill two. And that leads me to my next point: they made a mistake in killing off both Glenn and Abraham. The show has always had problems aside from the major issues it gained over the past three seasons. And the show isn't the comic books. It can't work the same way. I think the show needs a character like Glenn, despite the obvious plot armor. They got rid of two of the most likable characters in the show while doubling down on having the others make stupid decisions or act out of character. On top of that, new characters were almost never as interesting or likable.
- And I don't need to go into further detail with all the bad decisions the show has made since then, most recently with Carl's death completely ruining one of the best upcoming story lines -- something that would have been even more rewarding if Carl survived while Rick was killed. Instead, they ruined it with another dumb death done for shock value.
Fucking hell.
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Continuing the above conversation from last month, I just saw a spoiler for a death in the first half of this coming season.
And it is a trash decision.
And it is a trash decision.
___Jesus___
Them two maybe could have retained interest without Rick but nope,
Bad decision then looks even worse now.
And they've basically ruined Daryl the last few seasons so he ain't holding it anymore either.
Yeah, I don't quite get it. You would think that with the loss of major characters coming up that were out of the writer's control, they would want to try and hold onto one of the few truly likable characters left. A character whose potential they barely even scratched the surface of.
Instead, my guess is that (comic spoilers):
His head ends up on a pike in the place of either Ezekiel or Rosita, who will instead live in the show.
