Can We Just Admit that Joe Rogan is Alt-Right Already?

Lord Brady said:

LOL, this is hilariously stupid.

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Yeah, I'm a fan of Hicks and his bits included strangeling Jesse Helms with his own belt while referring to him as a drug dealer and a kid murderer, a bit about Barbara Bush defecating into Rush Limbaugh's mouth, hatred of the Iraq war (the first one), calling soldiers murderers, pro drug use, and a general dislike of fundamentalist and authoritarians.

Hicks was far from right wing you could accuse him of being conspiratorial in his thinking and untrusting of the government as a general concept but by no means a right wing type. Sure some of his material hasn't aged well but it has been several decades.

Yea Joe Rogan is a Nazi Sympathizer. He won't ever accept the label of Nazi, his fans wont allow it either, but he sure as hell loves fraternizing with them outside of a professional situation and doesn't mind giving over his couple million listeners to them when he wants to. He is a Nazi Sympathizer.

Morrigan said:

It might be, and I can see how it'd apply to Rogan, but the examples listed on Wikipedia are... sketchy. Most of those listed are pure alt-right, not "alt-light" whatsoever.

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Seems accurate to me outside of Posobiec. They're still awful people, but you can't divorce the ethnonationalism and identitarian nonsense from the alt-right.

Does the label removes his influence?

Joe Rogan is alt-weed. That's the only thing he's really passionate about.

Why does Kermit the Frog look so upset in that photo

Jombie said:

Carlin hated the right, and Hicks hated everyone. Some of Hicks's comedy hasn't aged well, but there's no doubt that he would be railing against what's happening right now. They definitely wouldn't be friends to the alt-right, that's ridiculous.

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If Bill Hicks was alive today, he'd probably be going even further down the conspiracy theory hole. He was always a bit loopy like that.

But yeah, he definitely wouldn't be "alt-right".

Probably the most actually alt-right person Rogan has had on is Anthony Cumia. That guy is a total white supremacist, who professes the genetic superiority of whites and all kinds of toxic bullshit. In fairness he didn't say any of that shit on Rogan's, show, he saves it for the other side of his paywall.

Calling Rogan, Rubin, Moriarty, Shapiro, and all those other idiots alt-right is giving them too much credit. They're just a bunch of faux intellectuals that like to think they got it all figured out and like to just point and laugh. As others have said though, they are the dumb man's idea of a smart man. They enable the alt-right side by giving them a platform and voice in the spirit of both sides crap. And that's ultimately the problem. As Elie Wiesel said, you must take a side. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.

JeTmAn said:

Why does Kermit the Frog look so upset in that photo

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It ain't easy being green due to !MUSLIMS!

Alt-right used to be a strong label. Overuse has lost it much of it's impact unfortunately.

Frozenprince said:

I was listening to him talk to Ari Shiffir the other day talking about how "Alex is right about a lot of stuff you know" like, dude. What fucking planet are you on?

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I kind of tuned out of ever taking Joe Rogan seriously when I heard him say "we need guys like Alex".

Yeah, no. I'm good with less fringe nutcases taking over America. We already got too many of them in the white house.

Sub Level said:

The fact that leftists and right wingers alike get pissed off at Rogan make me even more a fan of his podcast. He's not playin for your team and conforming to your value system; he is just a guy talking and listening to people about topics he finds interesting.

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That's generally how I feel about a lot of comedians. My favorite ones shit on everyone which I find a lot more enjoyable than someone just pandering to a specific audience.

cosmicblizzard said:

Seems accurate to me outside of Posobiec. They're still awful people, but you can't divorce the ethnonationalism and identitarian nonsense from the alt-right.

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I find that to be a hair-splitting distinction rather than a meaningful one. But even if we agreed on that, well: Gavin McInnes has defended Holocaust deniers, supports the Muslim ban, and pushed white genocide conspiracy theories, as well as saying, "I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, English-speaking way of life.". Cernovich has peddled anti-Semitism. Laura Southern is openly racist, supports white supremacist groups and worked to prevent ships of migrants and refugees from landing in Europe, and she's apparently currently working on a "documentary" pushing white genocide conspiracy theories. And Milo has openly pushed nazi rhetoric over and over and over again.

So, no, going by that list, the distinction is trite and meaningless.

cosmicblizzard said:

Seems accurate to me outside of Posobiec. They're still awful people, but you can't divorce the ethnonationalism and identitarian nonsense from the alt-right.

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Uh, might wanna read that list again.

(This is also splitting hairs.)

legacyzero said:

This. Y'all arent doing the "Alt-Right" term any justice by just throwing any old person you goddamn please into its mix. Y'all gotta stop this shit, seriously. You're actually HURTING efforts against the alt-right (which is a bullshit term anyway. Just fucking say NAZI FFS)

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It's complicated. Like, we understand the term 'conservative' applies to a spectrum of belief ranging from being against abortion to being against "high" taxes. We understand that the conservative movement is made up of evangelicals, foreign policy hardliners, economic conservatives, and so on. The term alt-right, also, has never referred exclusively to people who overtly believe in an ethnostate/white nationalism/white supremacy. Like the conservative movement, it only has force because it represents the coming together of many groups: anti-establishment trolls, anti-"SJW" and pro-"free speech" activists, economic nationalists, neoreactionaries who themselves espouse views ranging from being anti-democracy to being pro-the oppression of women, etc., etc.

A part of me agrees that calling someone like Joe Rogan alt-right lessens the term, but like I said, it's complicated. It's a relatively new thing that isn't defined all that precisely, and while you may want to maximize its power by saving it for bonafide white nationalists, doing that probably fails to capture wide swaths of a corrosive movement.

Caleb187 said:

Alt-right used to be a strong label. Overuse has lost it much of it's impact unfortunately.

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It's basically been reduced to "shitty person on the internet", it's stupid, and a history for the likes of Rishard Spencer, honestly. Y'all didnt want him to have a platform, but you sure are giving it to him.

I wouldn't call him alt-right. He's just an enabler because he rarely challenges those guests (or really, any guests) on their assertions.

He's pseudointellectual and gets lots of love from dudebro everyman because they can't tell the difference between him and the genuine article.



I still like listening to him though (which I guess makes me an enabler, enabler).

How is Bill Burr alt-right?!?!

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Jezus is a cool dude.

legacyzero said:

It's basically been reduced to "shitty person on the internet", it's stupid, and a history for the likes of Rishard Spencer, honestly. Y'all didnt want him to have a platform, but you sure are giving it to him.

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Rogan gives dickheads a platform. Citation needed regarding "alt right" losing its impact. Polls are looking pretty damn good right now.

Spinluck said:

His political views are mostly trash. Also, hanging around alt-right people or even having to work with them doesn't make you one of them.

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No, it just makes you friends with them, the kind of friend that will never ever challenge them on their most unabashedly repugnant ideas. So, in the same way that we have throughout history, people will paint enablers of heinous behaviour with the same brush.

It's not difficult to understand, folks. If you want to not be labeled as something, don't surround yourself with people who fit the label. But the likelihood is that you won't, because everyone knows why you're around them to begin with.

See for example: Lindsay Shepherd.

Professed to not be part of a political ideology, people tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. She started hanging around with Jordan Peterson and alt-right media and people trotted out the "that doesn't make her alt-right" talking point. She has now fully blossomed into an alt-right figurehead for "free speech" like any other. And in this example, it all went down in 2 months or so.

So you'll forgive me and others for not being apologetic in calling something what it is, just because you happen to buy into the cheap obfuscation on display.

UltimateHigh said:

If Bill Hicks was alive today, he'd probably be going even further down the conspiracy theory hole. He was always a bit loopy like that.

But yeah, he definitely wouldn't be "alt-right".

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This is the issue with this discussion: don't apply labels to men like this posthumously, because they have no means to develop new opinions on the subject. Some famous men who are dead are blatantly irredeemable, but an obvious liberal-minded man like Carlin?! Give me a fucking break, he's not Andrew Dice Clay, guys.

You know the word kind of loses its meaning and you tend to get taken less seriously when you label everything you disagree with as alt-right. Alt-right means something very specific. It's a right wing fringe group with hostile views on contemporary right wing power structures because they believe the figure heads are only in it for the money so they should all be replaced with more conservative, more nationalist, or more anti-pc people or the power structure should burn down entirely. They will take anything they can get... literally anyone but a Rino (in their eyes) or a democrat. A child molester in a seat of power is better a democrat of any kind to them.

Yall use it like how gg, the alt right, and identitarians in general use sjw. It's wrong. Joe Rogan isn't alt right. He platforms vilified people because it gets him more attention than not. I only ever hear about him when he has shitty people on so I guess his plan is working. He is also an idiot comedian with inconsistent views/ jokes. None of these things make him an alt right.

That being said why does anyone give a shit about Jordan Peterson. Why is he propped up by idiots as this intellectual powerhouse. The guy doesn't have shit to say. Making your bed and putting on a tie isn't profound shit.

Pfft, Joe Rogan gives people from all political backgrounds/leanings airtime so it's a bit ridiculous if that alone qualifies him as alt-right. He's more of an interviewer than a free thinker; if you're watching JRE because you agree with everything Joe says, then you're doing it wrong because he is is easily influenced by whomever he is talking to and his views shift constantly.

honestly what does alt-right even mean anymore? anybody you disagree with politically?

I guess you could say he and his shithead buddies there are alt light, in the sense that they're the storefront that legitimizes the Nazis in the back room with a really thin veneer of intellectualism that makes bigots feel good about themselves.

chirt said:

How is Bill Burr alt-right?!?!

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Yeah, this makes no sense if you know anything about Bill Burr. Shit, he's even toned down his "WHooorees" jokes recently.

Nerokis said:

The term alt-right, also, has never referred exclusively to people who overtly believe in an ethnostate/white nationalism/white supremacy. Like the conservative movement, it only has force because it represents the coming together of many groups: anti-establishment trolls, anti-"SJW" and pro-"free speech" activists, economic nationalists, neoreactionaries who themselves espouse views ranging from being anti-democracy to being pro-the oppression of women, etc., etc.

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Yes it has. Before everyone discovered the term around the time of Trump's campaign the term was exclusively used and embraced by open white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. The term has been incredibly watered down by people claiming everyone diet racist and up is a member of the alt-right.

Him and Boogie play the useful middle man but their friends and ideals just happen to match up with the extreme right.

Purely coincidence.

UltimateHigh said:

If Bill Hicks was alive today, he'd probably be going even further down the conspiracy theory hole. He was always a bit loopy like that.

But yeah, he definitely wouldn't be "alt-right".

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Hate to break it to you.. but..

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...to-the-only-conspiracy-alex-jones-doesnt-like


Just asking questions my man. Seems fishy.

drog said:

honestly what does alt-right even mean anymore? anybody you disagree with politically?

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It's not that hard. He gives the alt.right a platform, his YouTube comment section is full of fans that spout alt right nonsense.

He can generally be guided into condemning "sjws" and being a safe space for white supremacists, using his words as ammunition. If he was as passionate about owning people for their white supremacist views, as he is about weed, he likely wouldn't be celebrated in alt right circles as an ally.

There is a difference between him, milo, Ben Shapiro, and mr.spencer, Sure. They share/embrace the same audience though. They have common ground. He's smart enough to know that he's seen as a friend of the alt right. But he sure doesn't make an effort to distance himself.

Hope that helps.

I was a fan. But wanting to expand his podcast into meaningful subjects illustrates that he is a comfortable white man, that enjoys his privilege, and makes odd commentary that is identical to alt.right/white supremacy talking points or questioning. Nothing wrong with that, but you know what you're getting with him.

I always forget to just stick to mma/schaub/joey.

Jfc. Can we not water down the term alt-right please? We need it for people like Richard Spencer, Ann Coulter, or John Tron, not Joe Rogan.

Kinggroin said:

I wouldn't call him alt-right. He's just an enabler because he rarely challenges those guests (or really, any guests) on their assertions.

He's pseudointellectual and gets lots of love from dudebro everyman because they can't tell the difference between him and the genuine article.



I still like listening to him though (which I guess makes me an enabler, enabler).

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I can't believe anyone would confuse Joe Rogan as an intellectual of any sort.

BossAttack said:

Yeah, this makes no sense if you know anything about Bill Burr. Shit, he's even toned down his "WHooorees" jokes recently.

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I'm not too familiar with him, but I have a friend that recently claimed that his wife keeps him somewhat grounded.

cosmicblizzard said:

No one in that picture is alt-right. Alt-light=\=alt-right, and while you're still a dumbass for hanging around them, you're not necessarily a malicious person. Guilt by association is an ugly thing that needs to stop unless there's evidence of more than that.

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Jordan Peterson, the person who said that forced monogamy would be a cure for incels, and who's audience is largely alt right isn't alt-right? I dont' think these people are being lumped in like Hitler's dog as being evil. These people are courting the alt right by spouting ideology that feeds into their narratives and are by that definition alt right themselves.

drog said:

honestly what does alt-right even mean anymore? anybody you disagree with politically?

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On this forum, yes.

chirt said:

How is Bill Burr alt-right?!?!

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He's not. He pulls a lot of despicable both-sides bullshit, although I suspect that's half not wanting to lose his right-leaning listeners, half being a know-nothing ignoramus who feels good about himself by sitting on the sidelines and pointing out how both sides are equally bad. But whenever he talks about virtually any of his beliefs it clearly points to him being a liberal, which he says he is, not to mention the fact that he's married to a black woman and has an interracial child. He also makes some unsavory jokes that cross the line into sexist but part of his schtick is playing it up and then calling himself out on it. He's always sarcastically pointing out how difficult life is for him as a straight white male.

Veggen said:

I'm not too familiar with him, but I have a friend that recently claimed that his wife keeps him somewhat grounded.

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Nia definitely does, ain't no black woman gonna let him sit there and talk ignorant shit.

Terrell said:

No, it just makes you friends with them, the kind of friend that will never ever challenge them on their most unabashedly repugnant ideas. So, in the same way that we have throughout history, people will paint enablers of heinous behaviour with the same brush.

It's not difficult to understand, folks. If you want to not be labeled as something, don't surround yourself with people who fit the label. But the likelihood is that you won't, because everyone knows why you're around them to begin with.

See for example: Lindsay Shepherd.

Professed to not be part of a political ideology, people tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. She started hanging around with Jordan Peterson and alt-right media and people trotted out the "that doesn't make her alt-right" talking point. She has now fully blossomed into an alt-right figurehead for "free speech" like any other. And in this example, it all went down in 2 months or so.

So you'll forgive me and others for not being apologetic in calling something what it is, just because you happen to buy into the cheap obfuscation on display.

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Agreed.

He also does suspect shit like defend Roseanne Barr which is unfortunate, because I really do think every now and then some of stuff he says about life and being self-motivated or driven sticks. Same with the workout stuff and self-discipline which is the main reason I watch his stuff.

But yeah, I can agree with this post.

Nerokis said:

It's complicated. Like, we understand the term 'conservative' applies to a spectrum of belief ranging from being against abortion to being against "high" taxes. We understand that the conservative movement is made up of evangelicals, foreign policy hardliners, economic conservatives, and so on. The term alt-right, also, has never referred exclusively to people who overtly believe in an ethnostate/white nationalism/white supremacy. Like the conservative movement, it only has force because it represents the coming together of many groups: anti-establishment trolls, anti-"SJW" and pro-"free speech" activists, economic nationalists, neoreactionaries who themselves espouse views ranging from being anti-democracy to being pro-the oppression of women, etc., etc.

A part of me agrees that calling someone like Joe Rogan alt-right lessens the term, but like I said, it's complicated. It's a relatively new thing that isn't defined all that precisely, and while you may want to maximize its power by saving it for bonafide white nationalists, doing that probably fails to capture wide swaths of a corrosive movement.

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Then use a different term for the wide swaths of corrosive folks. Having people you find corrosive mixed in with actual NAZIs waters down he term completely

Skelepuzzle said:

Rogan gives dickheads a platform. Citation needed regarding "alt right" losing its impact. Polls are looking pretty damn good right now.

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So? Cry on the internet about it. But for the actual "Alt-right" goons , they can get punched in the mouth.

Sometimes a platform is a good place for these folks. So you can burn them on it publically.

I don't think he's an actual neo-nazi so... No?

BossAttack said:

Nia definitely does, ain't no black woman gonna let him sit there and talk ignorant shit.

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He's married to nia long??

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Nope..

legacyzero said:

So? Cry on the internet about it. But for the actual "Alt-right" goons , they can get punched in the mouth.

Sometimes a platform is a good place for these folks. So you can burn them on it publically.

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I don't think I'm the one crying over a dude who hangs out with a bunch of spades being called a spade, bud.

astroturfing said:

him, Bill Burr and post-humously also George Carlin. maybe Bill Hicks too.

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George Carlin was like the opposite of alt-right

Even if he isn't "alt-right" who cares about the label? Why do you guys even care what the fear factor host is even up to

what stances does he hold that make him alt right? i don't think he actually believes in a white ethnostate or anything

then again, i don't think holds any real stances on anything

Trike said:

Even if he isn't "alt-right" who cares about the label? Why do you guys even care what the fear factor host is even up to

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It's not 2003 anymore. He's now a very popular interviewer of right-wing pieces of shit.

What is the definition of Alt Right?

I feel like people are arguing with different ideas of what it means.

Arkestry said:

Jesus Christ, and someone had a go at me on here for calling Sam Harris an alt-right darling. What a collection of human garbage.

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yeah, learned years ago not to indulge the hoops his base expects you to jump through to prove the obvious

same applies to other atheist figures, and If were being logically consistent here, peterson fans as well

Trike said:

Even if he isn't "alt-right" who cares about the label? Why do you guys even care what the fear factor host is even up to

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he runs one of the biggest podcasts around and is a huge face in MMA/comedy so he's definitely not a nobody

shan780 said:

what stances does he hold that make him alt right? i don't think he actually believes in a white ethnostate or anything

then again, i don't think holds any real stances on anything

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Has anyone seen that clip of him saying watching planet of the apes in a black theater was like he was in planet of the apes/some part of africa?

Jamie. Pull up that clip...