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We should have more game trailers and demos in the vein of Deadpool 2 and Infinity War

malyse

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Spoilers for Deadpool 2 and Infinity War. Like you somehow are on *this site*, haven't seen those two films, yet still care about being spoiled.

Deadpool 2 and Infinity War both did one notable thing in their respective trailers and teasers: they blatantly lied about what happens in the movie. For example in Deadpool 2, they show all these kickass fights scenes with the X-Force which hides the fact that they almost all die horribly pretty immediately. Infinity War is more subtle about it, but they do disguise how many and when Thanos gets the Infinity Stones, and in addition lie about Hulk and that big slomo run toward the camera money shot. And both films were better because of it. I would like for game trailers and demos to do the same: show me lots of Dante in your DMC4 to hide that Nero is the main character, let me play as Solid Snake to hide that Raiden is actually the protagonist, so on and so forth. I think that demos and trailers are best served being a sample of why this is cool instead of a preview of what to expect.

I also think that they should put false stuff in for dataminers to find, but that's neither here nor there.
 
Plywood

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Yeah, gamers totally aren't reactionary and never get upset when things change or are cut.
 
Betty

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Kojima tried misdirection with MGS2's trailers and it didn't go down well.

Another example is Halo 5 and how the trailers promised something totally different.
 
tazmin

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Uh considering how the gaming community is, that would not last very long.
Also movies and tv shows have long done misdirection for their trailers because they can afford to do so. The reason being it's (cinema) passive interaction. Games aren't passive
 
DigitalOp

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There's a really thin line between preserving the experience and false advertising.

I think movies tend to work better because it's more passive entertainment.

But nothing would cause more ire and rage in gaming than pre release marketing focusing on a specific character, then come release time, they aren't there.

I think what works better for gaming is the Death Stranding strategy. Make your game really mysterious, don't answer alot of questions in prerelease. GoW was able to retain that sense of discovery when I first played. Only show the first 3 hours of your game when it comes to press time.

I really had no idea what was coming next or where it was all headed.
 

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It happens a lot with scenes that aren't in the actual game. MGS 2 is probably the closest example that's on purpose.
MGSV had a bunch of misleading marketing, but that's just because the game had a lot of cuts
 
The Silver

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Playing with fire, you better be damn confident that what you have instead will make up for the bait and switch. Just recently we had the Batman comic give as example for badly it can go.
 
NightShift

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There's not much to spoil in games honestly. Movie trailers kind of have to lie because their trailers often show way too much and give away the entire structure and major events. Most games don't focus on story and are too long for that to be an issue.

Although the best example other than the ones already given is the Danganronpa demos which you can play for yourself. Just the biggest lies.
 
Acquila

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People are still salty about all those awesome scenes in XV trailers that were either devolved into offhand texts or just not put in the game at all. Me included.
 
ArkkAngel007

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The result would have to be better than what was advertised. Halo 5: Guardians was not such a case, and other Halo titles have had similar issues. Resident Evil 5, which did end up having the best lore/files of the newer games, felt a bit lesser initially having lacked the gravitas present in the Fear You Can't Forget ads.

Can't remember a game that has successfully pulled it off.
 
Strangelove_77

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Fuck no. Gamers are assholes, they'd crucify any publisher/developer who tried this.
Probably find a way to describe it as toxic and problematic as well.
Just cuz.
While they upload a video on YouTube about water downgrades and pixels looking weird or whatever the fuck.
 
TheChungusAmongUs

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Considering the amount of complaints people make about "cut content" in video games...

This is a completely stupid idea.
 
Chaserjoey

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What company would take the time to develop, polish, and release a playable demo that just turned out to be something that isn't a proper representation of the game they are actually developing?

Dissidia devs tried to lie about a female character before they revealed Kain, people were pissed. Fans were pissed about things being shown and then cut or changed during FFXV's three year development period. Slight changes in a scene make people scream downgrade. DLC that is developed in the final few months of a game's dev cycle have people complain that it is cut content being sold for extra cash.

This scenario you've proposed would not go down well.
 
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Alastor3

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... It's not the same things, in Infinity war for exemple, the Hulk scenes where DELETED from the theatrical version for a reason. Not MADE for the trailers. It's different for Deadpool because they did created entire new trailers to promote the movie.

In a games, making new scenes, animations, even models just for a gameplay trailer (not counting cinematics videos) is just not worth it.
 
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CloudWolf

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Gamers would riot if this became common place.

Also, Deadpool 2 didn't 'lie' as far as I know, I don't remember any of the trailers featuring X-Force fighting (outside of Domino). They just obscured the fact that they all died with clever editing.
 

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Chaserjoey said:
What company would take the time to develop, polish, and release a playable demo that just turned out to be something that isn't a proper representation of the game they are actually developing?

Dissidia devs tried to lie about a female character before they revealed Kain, people were pissed. Fans were pissed about things being shown and then cut or changed during FFXV's three year development period. Slight changes in a scene make people scream downgrade. DLC that is developed in the final few months of a game's dev cycle have people complain that it is cut content being sold for extra cash.

This scenario you've proposed would not go down well.
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Not to encourage the OP, but the last two Ace Attorney games changed the context of a story section for a playable demo. Ended up being a character swap.

Pokemon as well with their demos. With ORAS, they made up tiny new areas entirely.
 

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The Last of Us did this. One of the trailers had a scene included which implied Ellie was going to shoot Joel.
 
Jangowuzhere

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People do not like misdirection when it comes to marketing. Look at MGS2 and MGSV. The reaction to those games were quite sour at release.
 
Sacul64

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I feel last of us should have been handled this way.
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The opening always annoyed me as you already knew that his daughter was dead since we knew about Ellie. Could have been fixed by either making promo footage use his daughter as a stand in for ellie or have the woman that helps at the start of the game say in the promotional material that it's his daughter. Basically mgs 2 it.
 
NoName999

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The next Super Smash Bros Ultimate trailer-

Ganondorf: You're no hero of time! You're just a clown dressed up as a blueberry

Waluigi: So dark. You sure you're not from a Sega franchise.
 
Sacul64

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Jangowuzhere said:
People do not like misdirection when it comes to marketing. Look at MGS2 and MGSV. The reaction to those games were quite sour at release.
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Mgs 2 is looked fondly on now and I'm not even sure why mgs5 is being brought up. Most people on the old site had guessed exactly what was going to happen from the trailers. The complaints were more about the trailers being like half the cutscenes in the game.
 
signal

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Would probably lead to a flood of threads about how "the original vision for _____ shown in trailer x was so much better than what we got!!!"
 
Zhukov

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No thanks.

By all means, keep stuff under wraps if you want it to be a surprise, but outright misdirection can fuck right off.
 
shaneo632

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You want to be manipulated even more than you already are? No thanks lmao.

What you're missing is that DP2 and Infinity War obfuscated small parts of their narratives for a net gain. Blatantly lying about the protagonist of a video game in trailers is totally different.
 
roguesquirrel

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gamers cant even handle lighting being changed for performance reasons and now you wanna give em fake scenes?
 
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Sacul64 said:
Mgs 2 is looked fondly on now and I'm not even sure why mgs5 is being brought up. Most people on the old site had guessed exactly what was going to happen from the trailers. The complaints were more about the trailers being like half the cutscenes in the game.
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MGS2 is looked upon positively now, but the twist wasn't received well by many for several years. That sort of negative reception would turn some people off from buying the game completely

And I have no idea what you mean by "most" people guessing the trailers for MGSV. Many people came into the game expecting the story to be about Big Boss and his "downfall", but the actual game ended up being very different. The trailers really played up the demon stuff and BB killing children and doing morally questionable stuff, all of it was definite misdirection. And people now are still pissed that we got something different from what was shown in trailers. Also, there's a difference between people doing hardcore discussions on a limited forum compared to the general fanbase/public. Most people are not trying to do hardcore analysis of a video game story that spans over several decades.
 
MrBS

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MGS2 was a master stroke of breaking the forth wall. I took me a few runs and a year or two to appreciate it though.
 
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Naughty Dog does this a bit, no?
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That's what came to my mind right away. I remember they removed Cutter from the Uncharted 3 trailer (when they show the bit where you get in on the back of the van at the end of London) so that you wouldn't know he's actually an ally.
 
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There would likely be a massive nerd backlash because a lot of people in the gaming community have an unhealthy sense of entitlement, but I actually think this is a great idea provided the marketing is honest about the fundamentals of gameplay and gives an accurate impression of the types of things you'll be doing and the tone of the experience.

Then again, I resented how I was never able to play the level from the Halo 2 E3 demo. It looked fun as hell. So maybe deception in marketing should involve showing the setpieces you'll play but changing the scenery, rather than showing cool scenarios that aren't in the game at all. Removing characters from the background or altering spoilery elements in cutscenes, like what kind of weapon the main character is holding, would be fine too.
 

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Naughty Dog straight up lies about things that end up being good surprises later lol. They lied multiple times about Joel being the only playable character in The Last of Us, and then we play as Ellie.
 
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malyse

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CloudWolf said:
Gamers would riot if this became common place.

Also, Deadpool 2 didn't 'lie' as far as I know, I don't remember any of the trailers featuring X-Force fighting (outside of Domino). They just obscured the fact that they all died with clever editing.
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Incorrect.
https://screenrant.com/deadpool-2-trailer-changes-lies/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...pool-2-was-a-triumph-of-misleading-marketing/
https://www.cbr.com/avengers-infinity-war-deadpool-2-marketing-lies/
 
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The hunt for Master Chief is technically there. It only lasted for like 3 missions.
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It suggested Chief was going to be framed for an attack when really it was a case of him being absent without leave, which is the biggest nothing I can think of.

There is no reason for Locke and crew to be hostile to Chief, the saviour of the universe, when they met up it should've been chill with Locke merely asking what Chief was up to.

The idea that the UNSC would want to arrest Chief simply for going off on his own without telling anyone is dumb and not at all what was suggested in the trailers.
 
StraightToHell

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MGS2's twist would have worked better if:

- They revealed you play as Raiden from the very first reveal of the game
- Similarly, Solid Snake is revealed to be the enemy immediately - without showing his face or voice, because it should be revealed as Solidus during the game
- Plissken is hinted at, but not shown early on
- the Tanker section is a playable flashback that bridges the second and third acts of the game, that sets up the truth to propel you towards defeating Solidus
 
Majukun

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I don't wanna be lied to by advertising.

Also,we already had this with mgs2 and it wasn't well received (but the game still sold well)
 
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