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Were we too harsh on Yeezus?
- Thread starter TI92
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OP
OP
tryna stack these millions
for mr. west's FEEDBACK, a piece of music from his THE LIFE OF PABLO masterpiece album:
this is a meme post
imagine being a dude who just loves to chew people the fuck out for not understanding shit, and doing this.
How did you feel about Pablo and ye and kids see ghosts
Hey, you know what, i'll let you have it. You seem hellbent on defending him so, i'll admit i misinterpreted this thread about talking about Kanye as Yeezus and his music as opposed to a specific album I don't know much about. Have a good night.
They are one and the same, the fact that you're acting like these two are separate is laughable. We saw him literally say that he's a creative genius on a talk show, when that's left for people to decide whether his lyrics provide the kind of value that would be associated with genius-level talent. But let's take this a step further, how many times have we seen him consistently try to justify his status as a "genius" by saying how genius tends to be equated with "crazy" or how the eloquence of ingenuity is the willingness to present and listen to new ideas. Never mind that the same ideas he was preaching openmindedness about was pandering to the alt-right side of the spectrum, and being a literal dumbass with respect to historical events (particularly slavery is a choice bs). There's no way you can handwave all of his behaviour in the past few years as simply being part of a character. At a certain point, it becomes his belief.
The perception of an egomaniac may be irrelevant to you, but why would I give a shit what you think, when ultimately what matters to me is how I perceive Kanye and his body of work (which if you must know, is something I perceive as having declined ever since 808)? You and I are going to judge his body of work differently. You may separate the artist from the art but I and others ITT may not. There's a reason why there hasn't been a definitive answer in the "separate the art from the artist" debate, and that rings especially true whether it be in the music industry, or entertainment as a whole.
In spite of all of that "hurr durr lyricks too hard 4 me to inderstund" was the best you could do. The reason I pulled up the DCEU logic comparison is because that's literally the argument they make when someone criticizes one of their movies. In this case, someone is criticizing Kanye so you go directly to their lack of understanding. "Nerd shit" to you is called an analogy, which someone uses when there are logical gaps within an argument.
You undeniably blew it here. You don't get to play this off as anything other than an L.
Learn to read an OP.
I'm just trying to talk about this great album though.
it got a lot of bad word of mouth on the internet. Publications loved it though. Lyrics are terrible for the most part.
It's probably his best album, which is saying something if you're familiar with how Ye rankings usually go. There is a quite a few contenders for the top spot.
If I listened to MBDTF right now though, I'd probably tell you that was number 1.
If I listened to MBDTF right now though, I'd probably tell you that was number 1.
This is every Kanye album tho.
+ really bad delivery of those mostly bad lyrics.
OK since the precedent has been set
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Late Registration
808's and Heartbreaks
College Dropout
Kids See Ghosts (It is rising fast)
Yeezus
Graduation
Watch The Throne
The Life of Pablo
Cruel Summer
Ye
I'd say the first 2 of the college trilogy and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (Monster aside) have good lyrics. Granted, I recognise that there are a lot of corny punchlines.
Oh boy, here we go. This comment that you can't get over
was sarcasm. I've seen a million times people dismiss Yeezus with "he literally calls himself a god" and your initial post reads like that exact handwaving. I thought me referring to it being a short song would give away that I was mocking you, and then literally saying you don't comprehend my post would do it too, but you actually think I'm that pretentious lol. There's literal primal screams that is questionably too on the nose on the damn song, of course it's not that deep. So please don't call me pretentious and unironically end your post with an analogy definition lmao
Anyways, Yeezus and Kanye blur a line, yeah, but in many of the interviews he's done on the album, he has said that Yeezus is an exaggerated version of his actual persona. As we all know, yes, he does constantly claim to be a genius and goes to that stupid argument about a relationship between being crazy and a genius. Yes, he has always been a general idiot. But his ego, for better and for worse, is his key to success. And on the album, it's just a back-and forth between the success it has given him, and the pain it has brought him, through a exaggerated vessel. Has he become that caricature? Most people would say yes, I would say what the fuck does that have to do with a 2013 album. And really, that was my only frustration with your post. I'm sure you saw others post the same thing. Even in your last post, you still didn't bother to actually comment on the album being good or not to you, you just dislike/hate/disapprove of Kanye so much, that we just have to sit here and pretend it wasn't a critical darling. Every single one of your posts in this thread was irrelevant to the question in the OP.
It was shat on by hip-hop heads who had no exposure to the experimental or industrial genres, and therefore could not process it - at the time. I will not outright say that the album was simply ahead of its time, however, because those who were familiar with the aforementioned genres also trashed the album, as they perceived it to be a poor representation of those genres. In essence, the album just seemed to have needed time to be soaked in by the public conscience, seeing as how it is fairly well-regarded by fans today. It was critically-acclaimed right from the jump, though.
Super accurate.
"Hold My Liquor" still the GOAT Kanye song though
It's a better album with age, for sure. It's flawed for sure, but OP is right about HML, Black Skinhead, and New Slaves. Absolute bangers.
Havent listened to his new work since and given his recent antics Im done with his output.
I think it's a middle of the pack album, but it has some great songs in there.
Black Skinhead would be the magnum opus for most other artists.
Black Skinhead would be the magnum opus for most other artists.
Yeezus is one of his better albums. I didn't like it that much at first, but that was purely because I was expecting to hear a sequel to MBDTF and Watch the Throne when I first listened to it. Once I came off that and a couple more listens, I started to really like it. IMO it holds up way more than either of those two actually.
EDIT: Actually, the more I think about it, I have a hard time ranking all his albums but I'd confidently put Yeezus on top and Ye somewhere around the Moloid's natural habitat.
EDIT: Actually, the more I think about it, I have a hard time ranking all his albums but I'd confidently put Yeezus on top and Ye somewhere around the Moloid's natural habitat.
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Yeezus rollout was crazy though.
The billboards
The SNL performance
The tour
The Lowe interview
The merch
I'll never forget walking out of fucking Target the night it released and driving out of the parking lot as On Sight blared with my windows down.
The billboards
The SNL performance
The tour
The Lowe interview
The merch
I'll never forget walking out of fucking Target the night it released and driving out of the parking lot as On Sight blared with my windows down.
It's grown on me considerably over the years. The lyricism was my biggest problem with it at the time and I still think it's decidedly subpar on that front (though not terrible or anything), but my appreciation for good production has increased since then. And while I really like the more lyrical Kanye I can't hate on the man for continuing to evolve his style. Not my favorite Kanye album but it's really good and I can understand why some people rank it higher than I do.
Big time, right here. I have no clue how anyone with some musical knowledge found the album impenetrable. If you had ANY experience with hardcore punk or industrial it all worked. As a big NIN fan, Yeezus worked really well for me.
Lol did you skip the part where the same post said people familiar with the genre found it to be a poor representation orrr
Can't do that. Love the album, that's perfectly fine. But there are people that are familiar with industrial/noise/punk and still didn't like it.
Fair enough, but I fit that weird Venn diagram that likes both the stated genres and Yeezus.
Yes, you were too hard on the second best Kanye album and one of the greatest hip hop albums of all time.
IIRC weren't people harsher on 808s when that was released? Can't deny that album's greatness now.
I think Yeezus has a couple of good songs (Black Skinhead and New Slaves) and the rest ranged from mediocre at best to bad. It's the album that seemed to open the door for these rushed releases from someone who has a reputation of being a perfectionist. Rick Rubin went on record saying when Kanye brought him on board he felt like the album was months away from being finish and Kanye finished his vocals at the last possible minute. Seems like a trend that continued throughout his albums since.
Still an all time trash album.
Someone tried to convince me that it was a classic just because Pitchfork and some other reviews said it was.
Someone tried to convince me that it was a classic just because Pitchfork and some other reviews said it was.
