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Nintendo's Konno feels console games will need to provide constant engagement features a la mobile

Zelas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Smash Kirby said:
They are still putting out costumes for Mario in Odysseys.
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That's been one costume a month though. Mobile games offer content more engaging than skins and on a more frequent basis. With mobile games also implementing thing like season passes that allow players to have as much cosmetic content as they can earn, Odyssey looks even more behind the curve.
 

Deleted member 42484

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Apr 21, 2018
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Nirolak said:
Yes, I thought it was particularly interesting that he was saying it given Mario Kart 8 isn't getting any updates.

It might speak to design ideals of Mario Kart 9 though.
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Do we know Mario Kart isn't getting any updates? I can definitely see them adding more modes, levels, expansions. It'd sell really well and the userbase is huge. I fetishized about a Mario Kart battle royale of sorts, an elimination-style battle mode with 30 others.
 
Aters

Aters

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Oct 26, 2017
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GaaS is the future, good to see Nintendo is on the right side of history.
 
heisenbrg

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he believes that even console games from now on will need to provide features that constantly engage players in the same way smartphones do.
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That's bad. I hate it when a game is not finished at the release. I did't ordered the new Mario Tennis so far because i don't want to get new characters months after the release. Give me everything of a game at launch, then i will pay full price and put every new stuff in a sequel.

Specally Nintendo games never had the problem not to be a longseller. Nintendo games sell over a long time very good even without new content.

Mario Kart 8 DX and Zelda Breath of the Wild are still in the top 10 in Japan even without new content. And it will be really exciting for, when we get Mario Kart 9.

:(
 
billysea

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Nov 18, 2017
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One thing I love about mobile games is their after-release support. Nintendo has been doing pretty good in this field and most of their updates are free.
 
B-Dubs

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nintendo has already been doing this. Xenoblade 2 has had almost constant free updates and paid DLC patches (with substantial amounts of content) since it's release. Same with Splatoon 2 and a lot of their other releases. They haven't gone the GaaS route and frankly this is how constant engagement should be: substantial paid and free updates to games to keep you coming back. So long as they keep adding new content to their games instead of stuff like lootboxes I am perfectly fine with paying for it.

Zelas said:
That's been one costume a month though. Mobile games offer content more engaging than skins and on a more frequent basis. With mobile games also implementing thing like season passes that allow players to have as much cosmetic content as they can earn, Odyssey looks even more behind the curve.
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Xenoblade has probably been the ideal implementation that they've been going for. It's had an almost constant stream of new content, from DLC quests and blades to NG+ to the upcoming hard mode and huge DLC expansion.
 

rawhide

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Oct 28, 2017
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Nemesis162 said:
Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem do this all the month with updates. I'm always seeing it being announced.
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I was talking Miitomo / Mario / Fire Emblem, I totally forgot Animal Crossing was even a thing.

Fire Emblem's the only one that feels like a "real" service game, for better or worse. Even Animal Crossing feels like they're only half-committed, and Mario barely even pretends to be a service game. It's not as if there's some arcade procedure to it, the template is pretty well-established at this point.
 
oni-link

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It's the inevitable way the industry is going and I'm in the minority but with SP games this just makes me want to wait till the game is finished, and with SP specially I don't feel like I've seen any GaaS element ever really enhance the game

I mean, daily challenges and random world events are nice, but I've yet to play a game where I have cared about those and I wouldn't miss them if they were removed.

A lot of these GaaS titles will still charge extra for substantial additional content anyway, so the GaaS elements end up being pretty underwhelming when viewed in isolation

I don't have a Switch yet so I can't comment on how those games work specifically, and for MP GaaS is another prospect entirely and in my opinion the model suits MP a lot more than SP

When there are 100s of great games coming out each year, I'm happy with some of them not trying to extend themselves into games I need to keep returning to as a drip feed of new content is added. I prefer to consume my games and then move on. I don't find playing a 30 hour game and then coming back for an hour of extra content every month for the next year that appealing
 
TheMisterManGuy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Instro said:
Their drip feed bullshit for on cart/disc content is pretty ridiculous. I'm surprised there hasn't been a bigger stink about it.
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It's not a big deal because this content is still getting released for free. Now if Nintendo was charging for this content, then yes that would be scummy and out-of-character. But it's more of slightly annoying inconvenience rather than an actual bad business practice.
 
Gulgan Shulgan

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Zelda has a season pass
Fire Emblem Warriors has a season pass (guess it wouldn't count since TK)
Mario Odyssey has been getting free costumes + Luigi's Balloon World
Splatoon 2 has splatfests, regular updates and the Octo expansion
ARMS got a bunch of post-launch characters all added for free plus new modes which includes regular Party Crash events
Mario Tennis Aces is getting monthly new characters
Mario + Rabbids has a season pass
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe got that Labo update (if that counts)
Kirby Star Allies has new dream friends added pretty regularly

They've been fully embracing GaaS the whole time the Switch has been out, and that's not even including Wii U support like Mario Maker updates, Smash DLC and the Mario Kart season pass. Nintendo has actually been doing better than a lot others on this front, pretty much the only season passes I'll bother with these days.


EDIT: I wanna say actually they started doing this with Mario Golf on 3DS? I recall seeing it had a season pass and having my mind blown that Nintendo was doing it. Now it's just normal.
 
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