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Piecake

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Trump administration plans to tell schools they shouldn't consider race in admissions, according to media reports Tuesday — reversing Obama-era guidance just as conservatives see a fresh opening to end affirmative action through a changing Supreme Court.

The Justice Department will scrap seven guidance documents issued by the Education Department under the Obama administration that called on school superintendents and colleges to consider race when trying to diversify their campuses, the New York Times reported. The administration will restore George W. Bush-era guidance that "strongly encourages the use of race-neutral methods" in admissions, the Times said.

At the same time President Donald Trump is considering candidates to replace outgoing Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy. Kennedy wrote multiple rulings upholding race-based college admissions policies. His departure could open the door for a new swipe at affirmative action.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/03/trump-end-obama-affirmative-action-692610
 

ElectricBlanketFire

What year is this?
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Oct 25, 2017
31,826
Gee golly how shocking.

AP said:
The Trump administration is rescinding Obama-era guidance that encouraged schools to take a person's race into account to encourage diversity in admissions.

That's according to an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement had not yet been made.

A formal announcement was expected later Tuesday.
 

neon_dream

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Dec 18, 2017
3,644
What's a "guidance"?

Sounds like advice, not a legal article. Sounds like something universities can just ignore.
 

TestPattern

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Nov 7, 2017
18
Except race was very much a part of th admissions process before Affirmative Action ever came into being. Affirmative Action came to be because of racial prejudices in the education system.
Unless you presume that colleges are now going to reject black and Hispanic students from their colleges, there isn't anything wrong with this. Colleges are still going to make it a point to try and get as many minorities as possible because it's a good way to get donations and avoid controversies. It's good that now the government isn't encouraging this. Hopefully now, quotas aren't gonna be set at colleges as they play this little game of getting a child from every race into their halls.
 

thediamondage

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Oct 25, 2017
11,238
Except for Military Academies, aren't all universities/colleges in the USA either private or state run? Not sure why Dept of Education has to really say anything, its up to each state to decide how to run their programs.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,391
Phoenix
Unless you presume that colleges are now going to reject black and Hispanic students from their colleges, there isn't anything wrong with this. Colleges are still going to make it a point to try and get as many minorities as possible because it's a good way to get donations and avoid controversies. It's good that now the government isn't encouraging this. Hopefully now, quotas aren't gonna be set at colleges as they play this little game of getting a child from every race into their halls.[/QUOTE]
Oh no, how horrible!

Lemme guess. They should stop forced diversity in video games as well.
 

HStallion

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
62,262
Unless you presume that colleges are now going to reject black and Hispanic students from their colleges, there isn't anything wrong with this. Colleges are still going to make it a point to try and get as many minorities as possible because it's a good way to get donations and avoid controversies. It's good that now the government isn't encouraging this. Hopefully now, quotas aren't gonna be set at colleges as they play this little game of getting a child from every race into their halls.

Yes because we know there aren't any troubling racial related problems in the modern American education system. Just take a look at charter schools and the myriad of issues in terms of the makeup of their student populations.
 

DigitalOp

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Nov 16, 2017
9,276
So many examples of having to force White People and their Institutions to do the right thing. So many examples.
 
Oct 26, 2017
10,499
UK
Thank God there aren't studies out their that traditionally black names are less likely to get excepted that white ones and the like.
 

I Don't Like

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Dec 11, 2017
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Unless you presume that colleges are now going to reject black and Hispanic students from their colleges, there isn't anything wrong with this. Colleges are still going to make it a point to try and get as many minorities as possible because it's a good way to get donations and avoid controversies. It's good that now the government isn't encouraging this. Hopefully now, quotas aren't gonna be set at colleges as they play this little game of getting a child from every race into their halls.

You're a bozo. The "little game" is systemic discrimination when choosing applicants that gave white kids an advantage for being white; as you said, "the deciding factor." What the fuck are you even talking about "get donations and avoid controversies"? That's not a motivating factor to any significant degree.

I'm assuming that you presume that I'm white.

It doesn't matter. What you are is ignorant, living in a fantasy world.
 

Vautrin

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Oct 27, 2017
936
Aren't some Asian Americans sueing Harvard because of reverse descrimination? As in they are getting rejected for worse candidates because they are essentially working too hard lmao? That's kinda fucked up no?

Also I heard Jon Stewart didn't have names on his applicants for the daily show to prevent racial bias or whatever.. But it failed miserably by ended up pretty much all white folks :/
 

Instro

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Oct 25, 2017
15,002
Unless you presume that colleges are now going to reject black and Hispanic students from their colleges, there isn't anything wrong with this. Colleges are still going to make it a point to try and get as many minorities as possible because it's a good way to get donations and avoid controversies. It's good that now the government isn't encouraging this. Hopefully now, quotas aren't gonna be set at colleges as they play this little game of getting a child from every race into their halls.

Universities want a diverse student body because it improves academic culture of the campus.
 
Oct 25, 2017
41,368
Miami, FL
Unless you presume that colleges are now going to reject black and Hispanic students from their colleges, there isn't anything wrong with this. Colleges are still going to make it a point to try and get as many minorities as possible because it's a good way to get donations and avoid controversies. It's good that now the government isn't encouraging this. Hopefully now, quotas aren't gonna be set at colleges as they play this little game of getting a child from every race into their halls.
ahaha.
 

Davidion

Charitable King
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Oct 27, 2017
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You're right. It shouldn't be the deciding factor for anything.

Let me know when you find a world that works that way.

You're right. It shouldn't. But it does.

That's why affirmative action exists.

Indeed. Maybe someday I'll get to live in a world where basic concepts like inherent bias don't need to be explained to supposedly functioning adults.

What's a "guidance"?

Sounds like advice, not a legal article. Sounds like something universities can just ignore.

Unfortunately gradual erosion still does damage, arguably moreso since it's below people's level of perception.
 

Darryl M R

The Spectacular PlayStation-Man
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Oct 25, 2017
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The top universities, including all of the ivies, are not going to change anything. No one is going to risk reversing efforts to create a diverse student body population for the most hated administration in modern history.

Schools risk adjust admissions to create an holistic process. If they did not then it would be filled with white men who are mostly legacies or athletes. And if schools had hard quotas they would try to have their respective demographic reflect the nation. It does not.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,391
Phoenix
You're a bozo. The "little game" is systemic discrimination when choosing applicants that gave white kids an advantage for being white; as you said, "the deciding factor." What the fuck are you even talking about "get donations and avoid controversies"? That's not a motivating factor to any significant degree.
It's similar to the logic of "a store should be able to not allow gays or Black people because the free market will punish the business".

I'm getting libertarian vibes here.