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‘Be kind to everyone’: Ellen DeGeneres defends hanging out with George Bush
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You can even drop the racial component tbh, there plenty of rich POC in her comments or sharing this with a " Love for all" nonsense. Whatever race you are it seems once you reach a certain level of $$$ and fame suddenly things ... change
I mean I'm not perfect either but I'd like to think I wouldn't kill thousands of civilians after invading a fucking country under completely false pretenses.
Imagine being friends with a lying mass murderer war criminal.
I remember this being the nickname homophobes would give her when she came out. I'd prob pick another burn.
This is way more of class issue than a race one. Michelle Obama has said pretty much the same shit about W. For the rich and powerful personal politics is an empty cultural signifier that isn't that different from having different taste in music. They'll laugh and say "It's just a difference of opinion" and go golfing with each other.
The rich have class consciousness, and will always support each other over anyone else.
Obama could be argued to be a war criminal as well, yet no one would bat an eye-lid if Ellen has a chat with him.
Odd double standards in play here.
I am not going to condemn anyone for things like this. This thread goes on about privilege and there is privilege with these actors. There is also privilege with us here on the internet able to call people pieces of shit with pretty much no repercussions. Ellen shows up to an event, GWB is there and he probably cracks a few jokes and makes her laugh. They talk about things, maybe Bush says something about the bad he has done and is reflective and remorseful.
I am willing to bet that if most of you who were invited into Jerry's world and saw GWB there, you wouldn't make a scene and say you are leaving because Bush is there.
People like Ellen operate where they actually have to interact with individuals like these. We have the luxury of saying shit and never getting a response. I think people need to be mindful of that before people start condemning people like Ellen.
I am willing to bet that if most of you who were invited into Jerry's world and saw GWB there, you wouldn't make a scene and say you are leaving because Bush is there.
People like Ellen operate where they actually have to interact with individuals like these. We have the luxury of saying shit and never getting a response. I think people need to be mindful of that before people start condemning people like Ellen.
Nah, fuck being nice to war criminals who started two unnecessary wars and who also tanked our economy resulting in millions of people losing their jobs and livelihoods.
pol pot is a chill dude just don't wear your glasses around him
The LGBT aspect of it makes it "worse"
for me. I personally don't expect anything less than people treating other people with respect like said here:
But I don't need a lecture about it as if shes reached some higher plane of understanding that we would be animals for not aspiring to , miss me with that. It's all about the $$ in the end
This is your first post to the site. Agreeing to coddle a war criminal who wanted to remove civil rights?
Shouldn't your friend Bush be the one to make the example by "being nice to everyone"? Or do you just expect less from him with his privilage and power compared to the citizens who had to live through the consequences of his own lack of kindness and empathy?
#2 - Ellen, unlike the Obama's at least to my knowledge, is directly addressing her audience and greater US citizens and telling us that it's our responsibility to have a heart of forgiveness and empathy for Bush, an expectation she seemingly doesn't have for the man himself. There are many people who can't afford to hide themselves from the consequences of the man's presidency, so those who've seen or experienced the fallout of it shouldn't be expected to feel the specific way about him that Ellen does.
Well #1 - The Obama's also shouldn't be friends with him. It is in fact bad that they are "friends" with him.
#2 - Ellen, unlike the Obama's at least to my knowledge, is directly addressing her audience and greater US citizens and telling us that it's our responsibility to have a heart of forgiveness and empathy for Bush, an expectation she seemingly doesn't have for the man himself. There are many people who can't afford to hide themselves from the consequences of the man's presidency, so those who've seen or experienced the fallout of it shouldn't be expected to feel the specific way about him that Ellen does.
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Ellen is worth almost half a billion dollars dude. It's okay to criticize her.
Lets also bring up how Obama was responsible for 100s of civilian casualties due to drone strikes and deported/ separated more people than any other president before him but we never throw a fit when he comingles with our favorite celebrities.
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people have and do bring that up, there are threads about it
this is about Ellen making excuses for hanging out with a war criminal
yet you chucklefucks come in here saying "B-B-B-B-BUT OBAMA"
So its okay for others to hang out with obama despite his history ? Is that what you mean? We bring up obama because he was also a president
Then maybe he should be publicly remorseful rather than privately if he is supposedly regretful of the harm he's caused as president. PS. The internet isn't some separate dimension. There are people who use the internet now who have also had to endure either fighting in or losing a loved one to the war perpetuated by Bush. That's not something that's gonna be wiped away just because Ellen tells them to be nice to the man.
The complication here is that people like Ellen don't just stumble drunkenly into celebrity. She didn't just wake up one morning and find herself bound to doing a talk show. The fact that she's in this sort of position at all isn't something out of her control. She became famous because she chose to be famous and she remains famous because she chose to remain famous.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't give a shit about that when she's openly defending someone who has gotten hundreds of thousands of people killed. Out of an idiotic war.
If someone wants to make a thread about it I wouldn't see any issue with the thread
i wouldn't go into the thread saying "yeah but what about Bush, huh?"
whataboutism is shit
I mean Ellen has literally had Bush on her show. She had the power then and decided to invite and befriend him. So no she didn't get trapped having to pretend to be nice to him.
I don't disagree, but I just don't think getting all mad at Ellen for a social interaction that we will never have to deal with is really earned. I just don't see the most people calling for Ellen and wanting to boycott her would say shit to GWB face and make a scene in the box.
Its fair to make a judgment on character based on previous instances that are of similar circumstances. Thats what courts do to make a judgment and this shouldnt be any different and swept under the rug of whataboutism. Its fair to call out double standards
If only this was a fair world where rich people, too, had access to Internet anonymity.
there wasn't any double standards being called out
it was literally "but the obamas too"
So why dont we call out other celebrities or even ellen when she hangs out with obama? Thats my point and the double standard
The issue really isn't just with sitting down with him though, at least to me personally. If someone wants to spit in his face or shake his hand, that's their own prerogative. The problem using a massive platform of millions of viewers to try and convince people that Bush is someone he isn't, or at the least, hasn't shown himself to be. If Bush (and Ellen in turn) wants to be respected then he's the one who needs to put forth the effort to be better and not regular citizens.
Anyone who would deny the opportunity to shoot the shit with a former world leader would be a fool.
If you get criticism for your public interactions with this person and your response is a condescending truism about being kind is a pretty shitty response to what is already understood to be a more complicated interaction than a bunch of pals at a ballgame. Working in a product plug is showing active disdain for your audience. Either Ellen is a moron, which I don't believe she is, or she thinks you are.
Michelle once called him a 'beautiful, funny, kind, sweet man"...😂
Class loyalty trumps anything, including LGBT rights, for rich liberals. I don't know how many times people have to be slapped in the face with this. Ellen sucks for sure but the problem goes deeper than that.
Many of us aren't ok with this either, it's loathsome.
Many of us aren't ok with this either, it's loathsome.
Even if you don't @ her on the war crimes, she's a gay icon chummy with one of the most restrictive anti-lgbt leaders in history. WTF.