‘Lord Of The Rings’: Amazon Studios Sets Series Cast

VX1

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I can not even imagine the AAAA budget needed to put the First Age properly on the screen :)
 

wingkongex

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It depends on the the success of this show and whether or not the Estate are happy with the final result. The working relationship between Amazon and the Estate is key too. If all goes well, the Estate may well licence the rights to the First Age material in the future.
Damn. I bet Bezos is crazy enough to do it if this is at all successful.
 

Tuorom

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At first glance I thought the one dude was Phil Kessel and he just had enough spare time from not working out to act in this series :P
 

gnomed

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That's awesome having a diverse cast. Besides the obvious when folks throw a tantrum due to having a minority hire. This is the fucking fantasy genre, you willingly believe in magic elves, but how dare a black person shows up in my make believe town.
 

Barahir_mjh

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Yeah, describing anyone not part of the "free peoples" aka anyone with brown skin as being under the control of Sauron has...not aged well. And that's NOT going into the racial elements of the orcs...
It's actually a little more complicated than that. Tolkien describes one of the Hobbit clans as "brown-skinned" and some Gondorians as "swarthy", the same word he uses to describe the Haradrim. In one of his late writings he also says one of the three great houses of men had "fair to swarthy skin." Exactly what Tolkien meant by these words is open to interpretation of course.

Tolkien made some mistakes on race, but on real-world issues he was generally ahead of his time for someone born at the height of the British Empire.
 
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Ernest

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Wait, this is going to be the same story as the LotR book/movies?
For some reason, I thought this was supposed to be either a sequel/prequel based on the books.
I'm kinda not interested now, as the movies we have are more than fine, and with the extended versions all together, it's like a season of a TV show.
 

Barahir_mjh

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Wait, this is going to be the same story as the LotR book/movies?
For some reason, I thought this was supposed to be either a sequel/prequel based on the books.
I'm kinda not interested now, as the movies we have are more than fine, and with the extended versions all together, it's like a season of a TV show.
It's a prequel thousands of years before.
 
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I have no idea who any of this people are, I guess they didn't want recognizable people distracting the audience
 

Dever

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Is there a reason to think this would be good? Or is this just a bunch of studio executives going, "Well Game of Thrones sure was popular, what IP do we own that's kinda-sorta similar?"

I dunno that much about LotR outside the main trilogy and Hobbit, is there significant material there to base a show off of?
 

Barahir_mjh

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Yeah, the storytelling potential of the Second Age is huge. It includes:
  • The forging of the great rings.
  • Sauron as a very good-looking and cunning villain who tricks a lot of people, even the elves.
  • The fall of the kingdom of Numenor, a great civilization that slowly slides over generations from restlessness with their mortality into corruption and oppressive colonialism finally culminating in devil worship. (A lot of people would be surprised how anti-imperial this story is)
  • Aldarion and Erendis, one of Tolkien's most emotionally complex stories about a failed marriage where both parties are at fault.
  • A younger, more impetuous Galadriel.
  • Some big epic wars.
  • Interesting themes of mortality, stagnation and how much to preserve the past, and aging
The tricky part is that we don't have much in the ways of detailed low-level prose narratives, though when you add everything together there is a pretty good amount to work with as a base. But you will need good writers for the dialog.
 

Dever

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Fall and rise of Sauron, forging of the rings of power, world goes from flat to round... etc.

Huge amount of storytelling potential imo.
But I assume those are like footnotes in Tolkien's work, he didn't write entire stories and characters set in those times. To me LotR is the story of Frodo, if you make something that's supposedly set in the same world thousands of years earlier, that's just going to be generic fantasy with some recognisable names.
 

Barahir_mjh

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But I assume those are like footnotes in Tolkien's work, he didn't write entire stories and characters set in those times. To me LotR is the story of Frodo, if you make something that's supposedly set in the same world thousands of years earlier, that's just going to be generic fantasy with some recognisable names.
There's definitely less detail than LotR, but if they have the rights to material from The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and History of Middle-earth there's more than just footnotes.
 
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Yeah, the storytelling potential of the Second Age is huge. It includes:
  • The forging of the great rings.
  • Sauron as a very good-looking and cunning villain who tricks a lot of people, even the elves.
  • The fall of the kingdom of Numenor, a great civilization that slowly slides over generations from restlessness with their mortality into corruption and oppressive colonialism finally culminating in devil worship. (A lot of people would be surprised how anti-imperial this story is)
  • Aldarion and Erendis, one of Tolkien's most emotionally complex stories about a failed marriage where both parties are at fault.
  • A younger, more impetuous Galadriel.
  • Some big epic wars.
  • Interesting themes of mortality, stagnation and how much to preserve the past, and aging
The tricky part is that we don't have much in the ways of detailed low-level prose narratives, though when you add everything together there is a pretty good amount to work with as a base. But you will need good writers for the dialog.
I doubt The Mariner's Wife will be included in this project. It's a lovely tale, but wouldn't really fit in with the overarching narrative of Sauron's rise after the War of Wrath and downfall leading into the Third Age.

Can I have this week's UK lottery numbers please ;)
 

Barahir_mjh

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I doubt The Mariner's Wife will be included in this project. It's a lovely tale, but wouldn't really fit in with the overarching narrative of Sauron's rise after the War of Wrath and downfall leading into the Third Age.
I mean, I'm not sure they'll use it, but they should. I actually think it fits in pretty well. Aldarion's travels coincide with the early stages of Sauron's rise, and it's also the very first stage of Numenor's corruption. Aldarion is mostly well-meaning, but he exhibits the Numenorean vices in a smaller form and lays the groundwork for the downfall of his descendants.

Plus Erendis is arguably Tolkien's best female character, at least top 3 or 4. And it's by far the most character- and dialog-driven narrative we have in the Second Age.
 
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I mean, I'm not sure they'll use it, but I actually think it fits in pretty well. Aldarion's absences coincide with the early stage's of Sauron's rise, and it's also the very earliest stages of Numenor's corruption. Aldarion is mostly well-meaning, but he exhibits the Numenorean vices in a smaller form and lays the groundwork for the downfall of his descendants. Plus Erendis is arguably Tolkien's best female characters, or at least top 3 or 4. And it's by far the most character- and dialog-driven narrative we have in the Second Age.
I can see that certainly. It's inclusion would however mean a lot of time jumping between seasons and I'm not sure that's the route they will take. Starting the show during the reign of Ar-Pharazon and detailing the sinking of Numenor in the opening season and then carrying on from that point on, following the survivors in Middle-earth up until the War of the Last Alliance makes the most sense to me at least.
 

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I'll add that Nazanin Boniadi was pretty great in her role on Counterpart.
 

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Is there a reason to think this would be good? Or is this just a bunch of studio executives going, "Well Game of Thrones sure was popular, what IP do we own that's kinda-sorta similar?"

I dunno that much about LotR outside the main trilogy and Hobbit, is there significant material there to base a show off of?
Its got one of the largest budgets in a tv series of all time, and supposedly some really fierce passion. Also theyve got a huge timespan of preproduction. So essentially they are being given every benefit possible, just need the writers and directors to knock it out of the park.