"Their dog is a chicken."
Fuck! That was accurate and great.
So glad my spouse passed on working there.
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‘Unsafe and Just Plain Dirty’: Women Accuse Vice of ‘Toxic’ Sexual-Harassment Culture
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"Their dog is a chicken."
Fuck! That was accurate and great.
So glad my spouse passed on working there.
Still no comment from Waypoint. The longer they go without addressing this, the more credibility they lose.
Guess Austin was more concerned with posting an article on need for speed lootboxes yesterday afternoon.
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...sees-a-future-where-loot-boxes-are-in-control
Guess Austin was more concerned with posting an article on need for speed lootboxes yesterday afternoon.
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...sees-a-future-where-loot-boxes-are-in-control
Many of us retweeted a statement from our union. We are otherwise barred from speaking about internal matters, but one would hope our thoughts on previous incidents would greatly speak to our feelings.
The statement from the union is completely meaningless. Going on waypoint on mobile, it isn't even posted on the site.
Taking a stand like IGN or actually discussing the allegations would be a lot more meaningful. Between IGN and Waypoint, I was not expecting IGN to have the better response to sexual harassment allegations, but there it is.
Oh shit, I knew Phoebe in undergrad. I was excited for her when I saw she landed a job with Vice, that's super sad and shitty that the experience ended up being like this for her.
I feel like it's okay to be disappointed with a response. But comparing them like they're some gaming competition is extremely dumb. Women are losing here, not you on this forum trying to stick it to someone when it's obvious their lips are sealed. I really don't get the need for cynicism when it comes to Waypoint.
The staff at Waypoint have shown to be very vocal about these events but also know when it isn't their place to speak or the right time. They are all smart people. It is more powerful for them to work through their union. I look to all of the past discussions on similar issues to know how they all feel.
Keep up the good work Patrick and everyone else at Waypoint. I hope those who have been harrased and hurt can get some sort of positive change from this.
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It's obvious there was more important work to do yesterday, like updating your EA article to say you got duped without admitting you just never properly vetted the source.
I'm not one of the people who expect you to quit, just do your due diligence.
Gavin McInnes is a grade-A asshole, but he left Vice in 2008. They've had nine years to clean up their act. There's plenty of blame to go around here.
Disappointing to see it all backed on a flimsy Union statement.
I'm stepping in here.
To reference something another mod said earlier:
Assuming the worst based on what little information we have is disingenuous at best. Also, insulting or berating a poster for something they legally cannot speak on currently is not acceptable behavior.
Get back on track and keep things civil, or we'll have to lock this thread and wait for new news.
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You've been consistent for sure in regards to your beliefs. Hope it works out and more info can be provided, but if not, best of luck.
Assuming the worst based on little information is why this site even exists. Making an exception in this one case is what's disingenuous
It seems discussion on the subject is being suppressed.
Somehow I thought ResetEra would be different.
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Guys, let's not shit up the thread by hammering on the same point over and over. Waypoint made a statement, we made our feelings on it clear, they can't say more yet. We'll see what happens in time. This isn't just about then though, this is about the pervasive history of sexual harassment being normalized at vice overall. So let's steer the thread back before it gets locked.
You're already banned but come on. Suppressed?
I am disappointed in Patrick's response, but lets be honest, lawyers are a tricky thing.
When you and your site are the first ones to tsk tsk and throw others under the bus and then immediately become hush hush when it's your personal bottom line being affected, it just looks a bit funny to people on the outside. Waypoint folks shouldn't be surprised at the reaction.
Well yeah, that's the thing. It's a real catch 22 where it's obvious they want to say *something* but they can't because of legal matters. But indeed it does look bad. Really bad.
I understand people are disappointed, and believe me when I say we're working on it. I'm deeply frustrated, too.
Dont listen to the naysayers. We know where you stand on this stuff, and its a situation where youre between and a rock and a hard place. It sucks, it really does.
Agreed. We'll have to see what happens next. (It better be something tangible and sincere.)
Congratulating one team for doing the brave step doesn't mean they don't/won't feel or will take action the same way. Are you kidding me?
ResetERA or Waypoint hm? Be clear now. (Cause you're wrong either way)
Glad to hear it. Hope you get a statement up soon. I like Waypoint as an journalism outfit but Vice... I don't know.
I don't really understand how VICE is still such a big thing, I mean they have a TV network and a ton of websites and a ton of content generated daily it seems but does anyone actually watch or read that stuff? Sure, I'm sure I'll see a bunch of "I do!" posts here but I read earlier this year that the TV network VICE replaced onto to get on air (H2 networks) had double the viewers of Vice after just a few short months. I was setting up my parents sling TV this week and saw the channel and its like hours and hours of programming and I genuinely wonder who'd watch it, like Bronson Lee (?) cooking and action shows and stuff and that just seems like something older people have zero interest in and younger people just watch twitch/youtube instead of network programming. Like all those comedy streaming websites, feels like a market that doesn't really exist - the hip, young, busy lifestyle people who love old media formats.
I think Disney was thinking about buying Vice but I wonder with this news if that is off the table or maybe drives the price down? Its just insane to me how a company that tries to set the tone for the future of corporate work/live is apparently so toxic to women, I just can't comprehend how that even happens or isn't quashed immediately by management.
I think Disney was thinking about buying Vice but I wonder with this news if that is off the table or maybe drives the price down? Its just insane to me how a company that tries to set the tone for the future of corporate work/live is apparently so toxic to women, I just can't comprehend how that even happens or isn't quashed immediately by management.
Considering how many people here are singling out Austin and Patrick for a response, it seems like a lot of people don't understand that one of the roles of a union is to pressure for change within a company without individual employees having to stick out their neck. That, or they're trying to turn this into a "gotcha!" moment against Waypoint.
2017 has made me deeply afraid that more stuff will ruined by the creators being creeps. I've started to mentally prepare for people I like to be discovered as creeps and really hope certain people aren't. Doug Benson, Dan Harmon -- I'm made peace with the fact that they might turn out to creeps. I just want Paul F Tompkins, Giant Bomb and Waypoint to not be creeps.
As hoped for, we fought to say something stronger. Here it is:
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/43nm3n/a-statement-from-waypoint
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/43nm3n/a-statement-from-waypoint
Thank you so much for making a strong statement about all of this. I knew everyone at Waypoint are good people and I hope Vice listens.
Honestly it seems like people have an axe to grind with Waypoint. They use instances like this to pressure them, not because of the actual sexual harassment and misconduct allegations and for concern of workers at Vice, but just because they want to see Waypoint fumble or get embarrassed. This isn't to say that everyone wanting Waypoint to say more feels this way. But definitely some.
But now they've made a statement, and a much stronger one than what most outlets would say.
I think I remember Austin talking about his reservations about joining Vice and that they were hoping to change the culture there.
Anyway good job on the staff for putting out such a strong statement.
very this.
Many here seem to be holding waypoint to an absurd purity test, seemingly with a real wish to see them fail and somehow out themselves as hypocrites. its disturbing to see.
its pretty embarrassing and telling that this thread instantly jumped to "GOTCHA PATRICK!!!!"
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This is good. Thanks Patrick. I'll add this to the OP. Do you have a way to force Vice's hand if they do not hold to this?
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Hope it doesn't come to that. Best of luck to you guys.
Great statement from you all. Thank you for speaking up. Keep up the great work.
That's an impressive and strong stance. Good on you. I definitely hope it doesn't come to that though.
PS: If you all quit please join GB again and make Giant Waypoint.
A fair question, and the answer is solid.
I'm very glad to see the demand that the 'non-traditional workplace agreement' be reevaluated, period. I'm also curious if Vice will listen. But it's a really important point.
Sure seems like throwing rocks at your neighbor's glass house while on the porch of your own glass house.
It's clear some of these guys haven't faced the possibility of dealing with legal matters when it comes to internal matters at companies. Or been apart of Unions.
Basically this.