Wrote it poorly but I didn't mean Disney did it, just that someone already figured out how to deal with inappropriate humor from another era.
“Casting Couch” Post-Credits Scene in Toy Story 2 removed on new 4K Release
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Disney XD is a channel primarily targeted at kids, so it makes sense that they would remove the sex scene there. I would be very surprised if they cut it on Disney+.
That is what makes it an important scene culturally though and worth remembering.
By all means excise it from the movie, it doesn't really fit the tone and it's problematic. But I think it should be included in the deleted scenes with a short explanation.
It's not right to completely erase this stuff and pretend it never happened, and arguably there is still humour there, Stinky Pete is the antagonist - I don't think the movie was ever complicitly endorsing this behaviour, it was portraying him as a sleazebag. And Barbie did go on to get a role in Toy Story 3 so there is a meta-gag but one which is more suited to Family Guy than a Disney family movie.
Obviously at the time audiences were not aware of the extent to which this systematic abuse of women in the industry was a reality, so how this joke plays has completely changed in fresh context, and for that reason it's right that it be removed from the main feature.
It's not right to completely erase this stuff and pretend it never happened, and arguably there is still humour there, Stinky Pete is the antagonist - I don't think the movie was ever complicitly endorsing this behaviour, it was portraying him as a sleazebag. And Barbie did go on to get a role in Toy Story 3 so there is a meta-gag but one which is more suited to Family Guy than a Disney family movie.
Obviously at the time audiences were not aware of the extent to which this systematic abuse of women in the industry was a reality, so how this joke plays has completely changed in fresh context, and for that reason it's right that it be removed from the main feature.
It's a post credit gag in a kids film. I cant imagine a scenario where it has even a modicum of cultural significance. Considering the issues they had within Pixar I can understand why Disney would want to distance themselves from it.
Using the word "censor" is inaccurate. But yeah, this is kinda dumb, the prospector character was always a shady asshole, so that scene totally fits the bill for him.
Definition of censor (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb
: to examine in order to suppress (see SUPPRESS sense 2) or delete anything considered objectionable
Good. I wouldn't want my 6 year old seeing this now and the "joke" was horrible at the time too.
"Important scene culturally" give me a fucking break here. Even if that were true, and it isn't, the scene is still archived on YouTube forevermore.
I'd say all the editorial choices had been made with the original release of the movie. The point of removing of the scene isn't to improve the flow of the movie or anything like that but to simply to remove content that's considered objectionable.
Also, just because there's more serious instances of censorship doesn't mean the term is suddenly wrong. That's like arguing to not call a person with a cold "ill" because there's also people with deadly illnesses.
Wow. The censorship outrage!
You know that Disney makes films? And that that shit has been proven to actually happen.
Disney used to own Miramax. Harvey Weinstein's company. It's a very distasteful joke.
Toy Story is a kids movie. And that's a joke about coerced into sleeping with director to get a part in a movie.
It just shows how pathetic people's ideas of what censorship is.
"Hey girls! If you're attractive and you want to be in a movie you gotta sleep with the director HA HA HA"
Very culturally important....
I'm sure somewhere on the internet there's an idiot quoting the First they came poem thinking they're really deep.
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You know that Disney makes films? And that that shit has been proven to actually happen.
Disney used to own Miramax. Harvey Weinstein's company. It's a very distasteful joke.
Toy Story is a kids movie. And that's a joke about coerced into sleeping with director to get a part in a movie.
It just shows how pathetic people's ideas of what censorship is.
"Hey girls! If you're attractive and you want to be in a movie you gotta sleep with the director HA HA HA"
Very culturally important....
I'm sure somewhere on the internet there's an idiot quoting the First they came poem thinking they're really deep.
First they came ... - Wikipedia
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Dumb removal, but disney loves kids i guess.
huh? so what is the right use of the word cencor?
Bar the Lucas comment I am not seeing the outrage in here that you are.Wow. The censorship outrage!
You know that Disney makes films? And that that shit has been proven to actually happen.
Disney used to own Miramax. Harvey Weinstein's company. It's a very distasteful joke.
Toy Story is a kids movie. And that's a joke about coerced into sleeping with director to get a part in a movie.
It just shows how pathetic people's ideas of what censorship is.
"Hey girls! If you're attractive and you want to be in a movie you gotta sleep with the director HA HA HA"
Very culturally important....
I'm sure somewhere on the internet there's an idiot quoting the First they came poem thinking they're really deep.
...First they came ... - Wikipedia
...That scene has nothing to do with sexual assault, so do the math.
4K release? Are they re-rendering the film in 4K?
Save for the lack of HDR, I thought Blu-ray 1080p was about as good as it was going to get for this movie.
Save for the lack of HDR, I thought Blu-ray 1080p was about as good as it was going to get for this movie.
0/10, will not pirate, ruining my childhood by taking out something I didn't know was there that's sketch AF.
No its an upscale, same as the toy story 1 4k release.
I believe it was re-rendered in 4K for the 3D cinema re-release IIRC.
Yeah. these people got their clearance to be scumbags from a cgi cartoon.
That’s my feeling on it, there are certain things that don’t need to be preserved.
Ever heard of normalization?
Turning stars getting sexual assaulted or raped by powerful untouchable people into a joke helps normalize this type of behavior.
I don't think it was removed because it was a risque joke (kids aren't going to get it), it was removed because of actions by the writer and director of said film.
"It's just a joke" is all well and good but, remember, we're now at a time when sexual assault by executives against actors wanting roles has become a much more highlighted issue.
"It's just a joke" is all well and good but, remember, we're now at a time when sexual assault by executives against actors wanting roles has become a much more highlighted issue.
It's creepy, even more sure when you you think who's voice stinky Pete. Good I'm glad they've taken it out.
Not downplaying sexual assault since I have been a victim of it several times in my life, but which part of the scene is specifically provocative of sexual assault? In comparison to say Red Sparrow, Outlander or Precious? This just seems like a dirty old man being provocative.
- Before someone gets out the pitchforks and torches and reports this post, I'm merely delving into subjectivity, themes and topics and trying to understand how it can be comparative to significantly stronger and actually shown cases of sexual assault in film. I am in no way condoning sexual assault. I am trying to understand the context.
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Hell, most people probably didn't even know this scene existed. I for one wouldn't care about it not staying. Older men hitting on young women is becoming a disgusting thing in society especially since these barbie dolls can very well represent young actresses in Hollywood which is not something Disney wants to get into.
It's not just the hitting on younger woman but painting the idea that female twins exist for men's sexual fantasies.
Perhaps it'd be more accurate to say harassment than assault, but Stinky Pete is very clearly trying to leverage his role and the implicit power that comes with it to get sexual favors.
Right. Yeah, that makes more sense. We're on the same page now. The original post said "Assault" rather than harassment which is where I was confused.
Here is a quick checklist for Internet pedants to use when trying to correct people in discussions about censoring speech:
- "Censorship" - applies to both public and private entities. Saying Disney is censoring Toy Story 2 is correct use of the term "censoring".
- "Free speech" - applies to both public and private entities. Saying "What happened to free speech?" is correct use. 'Free speech' is a principle / value, and as such can apply to anyone in society, including businesses.
- "First Amendment protected speech" - applies only to public entities. Saying "This will be overturned in the Supreme Court" is incorrect, since the First Amendment speech protections do not extend to businesses.
I liked the joke back then. I still like it.
The joke is that behind the camera, Prospector Joe is a dirty old man.
Nothing wrong with that. Showing x does not equal endorsing x. If it did, then studios would need to censor out violent scenes in movies.
The joke is that behind the camera, Prospector Joe is a dirty old man.
Nothing wrong with that. Showing x does not equal endorsing x. If it did, then studios would need to censor out violent scenes in movies.
I've seen this scene before. Flew over my head at the time and was ultimately forgettable. Had I watched the censored version today I doubt I would've even remembered it existed.
Ultimately though I don't understand people trying to prop that scene up as "culturally significant." Not every scene that merely existed and then got edited out in rereleases is worth putting on that pedastal, especially a casting couch gag featuring some toys. C'mon now.
Ultimately though I don't understand people trying to prop that scene up as "culturally significant." Not every scene that merely existed and then got edited out in rereleases is worth putting on that pedastal, especially a casting couch gag featuring some toys. C'mon now.
Exactly... Like, did this slip everyone's mind? Surely this is why they went and modified this for certain.
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A deleted 5 second joke outtake in the credits is worse than Han shooting first?!
How isn't it? In a post me too world and in the wake of Lasseter himself being outed as a sex pest, this being in a Pixar film is totally significant and worth knowing about.
I agree the joke was meant to be at the expense of the prospector and not discount victims, but given Pixar's past its understandable they'd cut it.