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12 boys and soccer coach stuck in Thailand Cave [All rescued] (Read OP)
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that area way in the north of Thailand might honestly need the tourism boost. It's in the mountainous jungles at the Laos/Myamar borders and tourists don't often stray much further than Chiang Mai. I understood that the kids are mostly from poor families. If they make the caves safe(r), the tourists could be a boon for the region
Yeah let's just destroy the caves eco-system because .. reasons?
you can't close nature, you can put up signs, you can warn people but you can't close off nature
Yeah in this thread particularly, it's extremely hard to think of a reason why they might want to prevent people from going in the cave. "because reasons" lol.
And you can make it closed off to people without dynamiting the entrance shut.
What does "you can't close nature" mean? You think no cave or tunnel or etc. has ever been closed off in human history?
Are there creatures that inhabit these caves that need the ability to get in and out?
Again you can at least try to make it as inaccessible for humans as possible without preventing every type of creature from going inside. At least you can not create some sort of tourist hub around it.
And regardless this would not be the first time a small habitat is altered for the sake of human convenience, safety, or some other reason.
People die climbing famous mountains every year. People get guides killed every year helping them climb famous mountains too. Don't see people outraged about that though.
It's probably easier to seal a cave with one main entrance than close off an entire mountain. That 'nutty putty' cave earlier in the thread was closed off as well. Not saying that will or even should but they'll probably do something other than put up danger signs, particularly in seasons when it can flood like this.
Exactly. 375 people have died climbing Everest. 375. And it's still there, open for the world to attempt. It's nothing more than emotion driving a push to block off a cave because one group in all of recorded history made a bad move. The same way that way more than 12 kids died in bombings and shootings recently and we don't know their names because it is expected and there's no heroic story to follow. Don't let emotion cloud how important this is in the big picture.
It's easy to seal off if you want to destroy the entrance and forget about it, sure. But that's hardly the only option people can take towards dangerous natural formations that people might be interested in. Capitalizing on it for the local economy is just as valid a choice. Having actual tourism centered around it, with an income to sustain the the manpower could be just as helpful. It'll mean that people exploring the cave will be informed of danger, have the best weather forecast information before going in, and would be prevented from entering by actual staff off season. Could also be good business for cave divers who want to act as guides.
Whatever decision the government there wants to take, is their right. As long as the people actually living and working there are happy with it, it's all good.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44772783
Video is on the page, showing chat with one of the divers and video of the kids and conditions, cant seem to embed the video though.
Video is on the page, showing chat with one of the divers and video of the kids and conditions, cant seem to embed the video though.
How are the rescued boys?
The first group of four boys were rescued on Sunday, followed by four more on Monday.
Some of the boys had low temperatures, with one showing a low heart rate when they were first hospitalised.
However, they are now in good health, though two are still being treated for possible lung inflammation.
Health officials say they were at first given instant food and energy gels but are now eating easy-to-digest food.
Officials also say some of the boys have now seen their parents - but only through glass.
Further test results are expected in a few days and if all signs of infection have cleared, families will be allowed to visit. However, they must don protective clothing and cannot go closer than 2m (6ft).
The boys have also been made to wear sunglasses, after being in a state of darkness for more than two weeks.
The first group of four boys were rescued on Sunday, followed by four more on Monday.
Some of the boys had low temperatures, with one showing a low heart rate when they were first hospitalised.
However, they are now in good health, though two are still being treated for possible lung inflammation.
Health officials say they were at first given instant food and energy gels but are now eating easy-to-digest food.
Officials also say some of the boys have now seen their parents - but only through glass.
Further test results are expected in a few days and if all signs of infection have cleared, families will be allowed to visit. However, they must don protective clothing and cannot go closer than 2m (6ft).
The boys have also been made to wear sunglasses, after being in a state of darkness for more than two weeks.
From The Guardian, final rescue operation confirmed to have begun and started at 10:08 am local time. They have upped the number of divers involved to 19, and they will be bringing the remaining four boys and coach out!!
Edit for spelling and to add link...
The Guardian Live update page for July 10...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/li...ing-out-remaining-boys-and-coach-live-updates
Edit for spelling and to add link...
The Guardian Live update page for July 10...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/li...ing-out-remaining-boys-and-coach-live-updates
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Cloud how important this is in the big picture? Does the cave lead to Narnia or Jurassic Park or something?
Anyway doesn't look like it's closing
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tham-luang-cave-rehabilitated-upgraded-national-park/
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/04/asia/thai-cave-tourist-destination-intl/index.html
It's no more important than any other. But if we close off every spot where something bad happens, there would be none left. There is no value in it and it diminishes our world so why bother?
No one is asking for every spot where something bad happens to be closed. It just sometimes does happen if closing a spot off is reasonably easy, as it can be with caves. No one is suggesting entire moutains be closed or the oceans gated if someone drowns or whatever.
I imagine when the last boy has safely exited the cave and it's just the coach making his way toward the exit the emotions of that moment are going to be staggering and quite overwhelming when he too steps outside and all are safe.
Why is Hollywood talk alllwed but not ellon musk?
Edit: I gotta stop checking my phone when I randomly wake up. Disregard.
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Did you actually read what you quoted? It says to cut down on the movie talk as well.
Wishing for the best, hoping for the same good news as last night tonight!
Right, which is kinda what I feel the problem is. So people who like caves are screwed and can't go to any but if you like a beach instead you're cool? You can live in Hawaii on the summit of a fucking volcano, knowing damn good and well that yeah, people are going to die, but people can't go into a cave. This is purely something where one group just doesn't care for caves at all and another does so to the group that doesn't care for caves they're like, "well yeah, close it" while admitting they'd let other dangerous places remain because it's not as easy to close or because more people like those. It makes no sense to me.
Anyways, glad the final operations underway, hope to awake to some good news in the morning.
Cosigned. This will be the hardest day. 5 Trips, best of luck to everyone.
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Dunno why you're laughing, they got very lucky that it didn't rain for the past couple days (which was originally forecasted to do), allowing parts of the cave to be navigable on foot. If it did rain that sub would have probably been the key to resolving this entire scenario.
4 kids, 1 coach, 1 doctor, 3 navy seals to come out today.
Mission will take longer due to number being extracted.
That will be everyone still left inside the cave.
Mission will take longer due to number being extracted.
That will be everyone still left inside the cave.
Yeah, this is the hardest part of the rescue. The divers must be so freaking tired.
I was ready to abandon this thread and shut myself from any updates because I feared the same a few days ago.
But it's not over yet.
Hoping the rest come out alive.
I'm glad the rescue is going well. One more group!
BTW today I saw on BBC video of the Thai cave water flowing very fast. Current is incredibly strong. I somehow missed this video before today.
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I can already see it. Directed by Peter Berg, main role Mark Wahlberg.
BTW today I saw on BBC video of the Thai cave water flowing very fast. Current is incredibly strong. I somehow missed this video before today.
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I can already see it. Directed by Peter Berg, main role Mark Wahlberg.
It would be different if the whole group had died IMO. But now we have a happy ending (hopefully), except for the one diver who very unfortunately died. But such things happen all the time, all over the world.
It has been raining. But not enough to undo the pumping they've been doing constantly.
One of the boys - 14-year-old Adul Sam-on - was able to speak English to the divers. He can be heard asking them what day it is. The AFP news agency has some interesting details about his story:
Born in Myanmar's self-governing Wa State, young Adul - who also speaks Thai, Burmese, and Chinese - has been at the [Ban Pa Moead] school since he was seven years old.
He left his family behind to get a better education in northern Thailand, but his parents still visit him at the Christian church where he's been taken in.
Wa State, a self-ruled region not recognised internationally - nor by Myanmar - is not allowed to legally issue passports
Fighting between ethnic rebels from United Wa State Army and Myanmar troops has historically driven thousands from the state seeking safety and greener pastures, including to nearby Thailand.
Adul is among more than 400,000 people who are registered as stateless in Thailand, according to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) - though some estimates put their numbers at 3.5 million.
14 yeats old and speaks 4 languages. Left home at 7 to get a better education. Puts into perspective what kind of kids these are.
Born in Myanmar's self-governing Wa State, young Adul - who also speaks Thai, Burmese, and Chinese - has been at the [Ban Pa Moead] school since he was seven years old.
He left his family behind to get a better education in northern Thailand, but his parents still visit him at the Christian church where he's been taken in.
Wa State, a self-ruled region not recognised internationally - nor by Myanmar - is not allowed to legally issue passports
Fighting between ethnic rebels from United Wa State Army and Myanmar troops has historically driven thousands from the state seeking safety and greener pastures, including to nearby Thailand.
Adul is among more than 400,000 people who are registered as stateless in Thailand, according to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) - though some estimates put their numbers at 3.5 million.
14 yeats old and speaks 4 languages. Left home at 7 to get a better education. Puts into perspective what kind of kids these are.
Yeah I was just reading that same profile on BBC. No wonder they were able to teach them swimming and diving in these circumstances. These kids are incredible. I am very confident that they'll all come out alive.
