Should we close Yellowstone? Someone died there a few years ago.I read the cave wont be closed despite this incident apparently they are expecting a huge spike in tourists following this.Thats just madness. Close that cave forever I say.
Should we close Yellowstone? Someone died there a few years ago.I read the cave wont be closed despite this incident apparently they are expecting a huge spike in tourists following this.Thats just madness. Close that cave forever I say.
that area way in the north of Thailand might honestly need the tourism boost. It's in the mountainous jungles at the Laos/Myamar borders and tourists don't often stray much further than Chiang Mai. I understood that the kids are mostly from poor families. If they make the caves safe(r), the tourists could be a boon for the regionI read the cave wont be closed despite this incident apparently they are expecting a huge spike in tourists following this.Thats just madness. Close that cave forever I say.
I read the cave wont be closed despite this incident apparently they are expecting a huge spike in tourists following this.Thats just madness. Close that cave forever I say.
you can't close nature, you can put up signs, you can warn people but you can't close off natureI read the cave wont be closed despite this incident apparently they are expecting a huge spike in tourists following this.Thats just madness. Close that cave forever I say.
Yeah in this thread particularly, it's extremely hard to think of a reason why they might want to prevent people from going in the cave. "because reasons" lol.Yeah let's just destroy the caves eco-system because .. reasons?
What does "you can't close nature" mean? You think no cave or tunnel or etc. has ever been closed off in human history?you can't close nature, you can put up signs, you can warn people but you can't close off nature
Yeah in this thread particularly, it's extremely hard to think of a reason why they might want to prevent people from going in the cave. "because reasons" lol.
And you can make it closed off to people without dynamiting the entrance shut.
What does "you can't close nature" mean? You think no cave or tunnel or etc. has ever been closed off in human history?
Again you can at least try to make it as inaccessible for humans as possible without preventing every type of creature from going inside. At least you can not create some sort of tourist hub around it.Are there creatures that inhabit these caves that need the ability to get in and out?
People die climbing famous mountains every year. People get guides killed every year helping them climb famous mountains too. Don't see people outraged about that though.Yeah in this thread particularly, it's extremely hard to think of a reason why they might want to prevent people from going in the cave. "because reasons" lol.
And you can make it closed off to people without dynamiting the entrance shut.
It's probably easier to seal a cave with one main entrance than close off an entire mountain. That 'nutty putty' cave earlier in the thread was closed off as well. Not saying that will or even should but they'll probably do something other than put up danger signs, particularly in seasons when it can flood like this.People die climbing famous mountains every year. People get guides killed every year helping them climb famous mountains too. Don't see people outraged about that though.
People die climbing famous mountains every year. People get guides killed every year helping them climb famous mountains too. Don't see people outraged about that though.
It's easy to seal off if you want to destroy the entrance and forget about it, sure. But that's hardly the only option people can take towards dangerous natural formations that people might be interested in. Capitalizing on it for the local economy is just as valid a choice. Having actual tourism centered around it, with an income to sustain the the manpower could be just as helpful. It'll mean that people exploring the cave will be informed of danger, have the best weather forecast information before going in, and would be prevented from entering by actual staff off season. Could also be good business for cave divers who want to act as guides.It's probably easier to seal a cave with one main entrance than close off an entire mountain. That 'nutty putty' cave earlier in the thread was closed off as well. Not saying that will or even should but they'll probably do something other than put up danger signs, particularly in seasons when it can flood like this.
Cloud how important this is in the big picture? Does the cave lead to Narnia or Jurassic Park or something?Exactly. 375 people have died climbing Everest. 375. And it's still there, open for the world to attempt. It's nothing more than emotion driving a push to block off a cave because one group in all of recorded history made a bad move. The same way that way more than 12 kids died in bombings and shootings recently and we don't know their names because it is expected and there's no heroic story to follow. Don't let emotion cloud how important this is in the big picture.
LETS GO!!!!From The Guardian, final rescue operation confirmed to have begun and started at 10:08 am local time. The have upped the number of divers involved to 19, and they will be bringing the remaining boys and coach out!!
Cloud how important this is in the big picture? Does the cave lead to Narnia or Jurassic Park or something?
Anyway doesn't look like it's closing
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tham-luang-cave-rehabilitated-upgraded-national-park/
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/04/asia/thai-cave-tourist-destination-intl/index.html
No one is asking for every spot where something bad happens to be closed. It just sometimes does happen if closing a spot off is reasonably easy, as it can be with caves. No one is suggesting entire moutains be closed or the oceans gated if someone drowns or whatever.It's no more important than any other. But if we close off every spot where something bad happens, there would be none left. There is no value in it and it diminishes our world so why bother?
From The Guardian, final rescue operation confirmed to have begun and started at 10:08 am local time. They have upped the number of divers involved to 19, and they will be bringing the remaining four boys and coach out!!
Edit for spelling and to add link...
The Guardian Live update page for July 10...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/li...ing-out-remaining-boys-and-coach-live-updates
They're coming home.From The Guardian, final rescue operation confirmed to have begun and started at 10:08 am local time. They have upped the number of divers involved to 19, and they will be bringing the remaining four boys and coach out!!
Edit for spelling and to add link...
The Guardian Live update page for July 10...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/li...ing-out-remaining-boys-and-coach-live-updates
From The Guardian, final rescue operation confirmed to have begun and started at 10:08 am local time. They have upped the number of divers involved to 19, and they will be bringing the remaining four boys and coach out!!
Edit for spelling and to add link...
The Guardian Live update page for July 10...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/li...ing-out-remaining-boys-and-coach-live-updates
And the kids would be white
Honestly, when I heard this story I thought they were all goners, so it's a nice surprise to see most of them made it and the rest likely will as well.
Once again reminding everyone to please not to turn this into an Elon Musk thread again. If you resume or participate in such a derail you will be moderated. Please also cut down on the movie adaptation talk while kids are still trapped.
From The Guardian, final rescue operation confirmed to have begun and started at 10:08 am local time. They have upped the number of divers involved to 19, and they will be bringing the remaining four boys and coach out!!
Edit for spelling and to add link...
The Guardian Live update page for July 10...
https://www.theguardian.com/news/li...ing-out-remaining-boys-and-coach-live-updates
you can't close nature, you can put up signs, you can warn people but you can't close off nature
Right, which is kinda what I feel the problem is. So people who like caves are screwed and can't go to any but if you like a beach instead you're cool? You can live in Hawaii on the summit of a fucking volcano, knowing damn good and well that yeah, people are going to die, but people can't go into a cave. This is purely something where one group just doesn't care for caves at all and another does so to the group that doesn't care for caves they're like, "well yeah, close it" while admitting they'd let other dangerous places remain because it's not as easy to close or because more people like those. It makes no sense to me.No one is asking for every spot where something bad happens to be closed. It just sometimes does happen if closing a spot off is reasonably easy, as it can be with caves. No one is suggesting entire mountains be closed or the oceans gated if someone drowns or whatever.
Cosigned. This will be the hardest day. 5 Trips, best of luck to everyone.
lmaoElon Musk has shown up with his mini-submarine and left it at the site, but the rescue chief has said it's not of any use.
Dunno why you're laughing, they got very lucky that it didn't rain for the past couple days (which was originally forecasted to do), allowing parts of the cave to be navigable on foot. If it did rain that sub would have probably been the key to resolving this entire scenario.
Yeah, this is the hardest part of the rescue. The divers must be so freaking tired.4 kids, 1 coach, 1 doctor, 3 navy seals to come out today.
Mission will take longer due to number being extracted.
That will be eveeyone still left inside the cave.
I was ready to abandon this thread and shut myself from any updates because I feared the same a few days ago.Honestly, when I heard this story I thought they were all goners.
Guys don't be ridiculous. The film will still take place in Thailand and the boys will be Thai (played by any boys that look vaguely of Asian descent).
But the movie will be ABOUT the Caucasian American ex marine who has to lead the operation to save the kids will suffering from PTSD about the time that his wife and daughter drowned before he could save them.
Y'all really think Hollywood is going to pass on the chance to make a white savior film?
No one is asking for every spot where something bad happens to be closed. It just sometimes does happen if closing a spot off is reasonably easy, as it can be with caves. No one is suggesting entire moutains be closed or the oceans gated if someone drowns or whatever.
Dunno why you're laughing, they got very lucky that it didn't rain for the past couple days (which was originally forecasted to do), allowing parts of the cave to be navigable on foot. If it did rain that sub would have probably been the key to resolving this entire scenario.
Yeah I was just reading that same profile on BBC. No wonder they were able to teach them swimming and diving in these circumstances. These kids are incredible. I am very confident that they'll all come out alive.One of the boys - 14-year-old Adul Sam-on - was able to speak English to the divers. He can be heard asking them what day it is. The AFP news agency has some interesting details about his story:
Born in Myanmar's self-governing Wa State, young Adul - who also speaks Thai, Burmese, and Chinese - has been at the [Ban Pa Moead] school since he was seven years old.
He left his family behind to get a better education in northern Thailand, but his parents still visit him at the Christian church where he's been taken in.
Wa State, a self-ruled region not recognised internationally - nor by Myanmar - is not allowed to legally issue passports
Fighting between ethnic rebels from United Wa State Army and Myanmar troops has historically driven thousands from the state seeking safety and greener pastures, including to nearby Thailand.
Adul is among more than 400,000 people who are registered as stateless in Thailand, according to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) - though some estimates put their numbers at 3.5 million.
14 yeats old and speaks 4 languages. Left home at 7 to get a better education. Puts into perspective what kind of kids these are.
9th Boy just pulled out of Cave, Ambulance carrying him heading to the hospital now.