15-minute explicit sex scene in Abdellatif Kechiche’s latest film leads to outcry and walk-outs at Cannes

Osahi

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Un-simulated! Aren't there union rules aganist that? So I am guessing these actors are not part of the union.

Also, why doesn't dude just make a porno. If it looks like duck, walks like...
This is a French production. Not sure how unionised they are (they probably are), but I'm sure rules are different from the US. Also pretty sure the actors and actrices gave consent.

Also, Blue is the Warmest Color had very explicit sex scenes too, but used fake vulva's. I'm thinking this oral scene might also not be as unsimulated as it looks.
 

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This guy directed Blue Is the Warmest Color? Was it really too much to ask for the director of an important, culturally significant film about LGBT youth to not be a fucking pervert? Jesus Christ.
 

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Thanks. I had no clue things had gotten so ugly between the director and Seydoux.
Later Seydoux walked back on those comments a bit though.

Seydoux and her co-star Adèle Exarchopoulos criticised his ‘horrible’ working methods, saying he made them feel like ‘prostitutes’ while making them spend ten days and nights filming the now notorious sex scene, wearing only prosthetic vaginas. Kechiche retaliated by attacking Seydoux’s ‘spoilt child arrogance’ — a low blow, surely, to use her background against her? ‘Yes, it’s not because I come from this family that I spoke. I feel independent, maybe that’s why I spoke. You know, I’m still very happy with this film. It was hard to film it and maybe people think I was complaining and being spoilt, but that’s not it. I just said it was hard. The truth is it was extremely hard but that’s OK. I don’t mind that it was hard. I like to be tested. Life is much harder. He’s a very honest director and I love his cinema. I really like him as a director. The way he treats us? So what!’
 

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There's cunnilingus in Death Stranding?
I didn't know I wanted this

I should have added the obligatory /s

Lea is in Blue is the warmest color directed by the director your thread is about. Lea is also in Death Stranding. Kojima loves movies. The joke conspiracy theory is that seeing this movie will inspire Kojima to do something with butts like he has in past games except this time it will way out there.
 

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Putting aside offscreen crimes and this film in particular, the idea that filmmakers shouldn't make films filled with sex as "real" movies is ludicrous. We have films bowing at the altar of every type of violence there is, I have seen people die in a million disgusting and gory ways, yet a 15 minute sex scene should be beyond the pale and hidden away on a porn site?
I can’t really say anything before I watch this movie but I really liked the first Mektoub My Love and the reactions were similar but not quite as strong. Kechiche has a way of making dialogue extremely realistic and natural. (If you want to know how people really talk in France just watch his movies). Because he wants his movies to be realistic, he needs to film sex related things with an honest way. When you’re a 20 years old on a summer vacation on the beach, you will look at a lot of bodies. And there will be romantic/sex things happening. I believe that this movie captured what a young guy looks at during summer vacations.

But yes sex is worst than violence in media.
 

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So someone licks a butt for 15 minutes?

I have to admit, Bing search thumbnails already exist for this. We don't need Hollywood to satiate that hunger.
 

Patitoloco

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This sounds absurd lol

I always enjoy professional critics getting baffled by weird films like this.

I wonder what the editing room of this film was. Did the editor only follow the director instructions? What where those instructions? How the hell do you explain the actors this kind of decisions lol
 

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This sounds absurd lol

I always enjoy professional critics getting baffled by weird films like this.

I wonder what the editing room of this film was. Did the editor only follow the director instructions? What where those instructions? How the hell do you explain the actors this kind of decisions lol
The butt did it. Calling it now.
 

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This is a French production. Not sure how unionised they are (they probably are), but I'm sure rules are different from the US. Also pretty sure the actors and actrices gave consent.

Also, Blue is the Warmest Color had very explicit sex scenes too, but used fake vulva's. I'm thinking this oral scene might also not be as unsimulated as it looks.
Okay gotcha. That's okay I guess. I think I have seen unionized actor in those kinds of situation. In those situations, usually in interviews the actors will heavily imply it is not real without giving away trade secrets.
 

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I can’t really say anything before I watch this movie but I really liked the first Mektoub My Love and the reactions were similar but not quite as strong. Kechiche has a way of making dialogue extremely realistic and natural. (If you want to know how people really talk in France just watch his movies). Because he wants his movies to be realistic, he needs to film sex related things with an honest way. When you’re a 20 years old on a summer vacation on the beach, you will look at a lot of bodies. And there will be romantic/sex things happening. I believe that this movie captured what a young guy looks at during summer vacations.

But yes sex is worst than violence in media.
I haven't seen either of these newer films but I really liked BITWC, for more than the sex. I enjoyed for the same things you're describing here, the sense of realism and the natural dialogue. I don't know that I would enjoy these in particular but I do see inherent hypocrisy in the way sex is treated. Of course, if there were 15 min sex scenes in many "normal" films, some films would still be worth watching and not worth watching.
 

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Accused of sexual assault and still debuting his movies in Cannes.
What a world we live in.
 

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I can’t really say anything before I watch this movie but I really liked the first Mektoub My Love and the reactions were similar but not quite as strong. Kechiche has a way of making dialogue extremely realistic and natural. (If you want to know how people really talk in France just watch his movies). Because he wants his movies to be realistic, he needs to film sex related things with an honest way. When you’re a 20 years old on a summer vacation on the beach, you will look at a lot of bodies. And there will be romantic/sex things happening. I believe that this movie captured what a young guy looks at during summer vacations.

But yes sex is worst than violence in media.
The assault accusationsof against the dude are troubling but I just saw John Wick 3 and it was so freaking gory and no one bats an eye (I still loved it) but people are offended by sex and nudity of adults in a film? This stupid world.
 
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This is a French production. Not sure how unionised they are (they probably are), but I'm sure rules are different from the US. Also pretty sure the actors and actrices gave consent.

Also, Blue is the Warmest Color had very explicit sex scenes too, but used fake vulva's. I'm thinking this oral scene might also not be as unsimulated as it looks.

"In addition, not related with the quality of #mektoublymoveneptermezzo, but I wish good luck to the classification commission, which I'm happy not to be a part of anymore! Don't let Kéchiche make you believe that there were prostheses."
 

Tremorah

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Is this like a french take on what counts as artistic and not pornographic since she gets her muffin eaten for 15 minutes instead of going down on a dude?
 

SapientWolf

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The assault accusationsof against the dude are troubling but I just saw John Wick 3 and it was so freaking gory and no one bats an eye (I still loved it) but people are offended by sex and nudity of adults in a film? This stupid world.
I think if John Wick shot a butt for 15 minutes some people might not enjoy it.
 
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I'll give him credit for the direction of the sex scene in BitWC because the actresses truly looked like cumbersome lovers which is in stark contrast to the "choreography" that most of the population is used to.

However, it was apparent that the scene was being filmed by a male director. It tries to be erotic by basically mimicking modern porn shots.
 
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I didn't know I wanted this

I should have added the obligatory /s

Lea is in Blue is the warmest color directed by the director your thread is about. Lea is also in Death Stranding. Kojima loves movies. The joke conspiracy theory is that seeing this movie will inspire Kojima to do something with butts like he has in past games except this time it will way out there.
Oh, ok. I knew about the actors and directors but I didn't get the joke. No problem
 
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"For you, audience, I counted all the shots that show asses in #MektoubMyLoveIntermezzo: there are 178. If we remove them, I think the film lasts 20 minutes."
 

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"I'm completely overwhelmed after "Maktoub", a vicious and controversial portrait where Kechiche pumps up the speed and derails at the curve of the misogyny, reification and being basically a scoundrel at the camera, without a message. Embarrassing."

"Take notice of the most real, vicious and sickening cunnilingus, with genital shots between drools and moanings that lasts 20 minutes, which leaves you astonished and more shaken than excited. A film in between porn and frenzy, with 2 hours in a disco that only makes you want to leave".

Awesome critic lol
 
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The assault accusationsof against the dude are troubling but I just saw John Wick 3 and it was so freaking gory and no one bats an eye (I still loved it) but people are offended by sex and nudity of adults in a film? This stupid world.
15 minutes is a long time to watch ANY scene with just two people doing one thing with little/no dialogue in a single location.

The fight between Anakin and Obi-wan in episode 3 was about 12 minutes and that got tedious.
 

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The movie must have other big issues if a sex scene is the only thing people remember after walking out from a 4 hour movie
 

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Putting aside offscreen crimes and this film in particular, the idea that filmmakers shouldn't make films filled with sex as "real" movies is ludicrous. We have films bowing at the altar of every type of violence there is, I have seen people die in a million disgusting and gory ways, yet a 15 minute sex scene should be beyond the pale and hidden away on a porn site?
Agreed. Unfortunately, the film industry had been shunning sexual content for decades, so this type of ironic snobbery is nothing new.
 
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That's most likely because Abdellatif Kechiche threatened to sue Seydoux if she continued to badmouthed him in public:

The controversy surrounding the award-winning Blue is the Warmest Colour took a further twist when director Abdellatif Kechiche accused one of his lead actors of slander and appeared to threaten legal action against her. The film-maker described French star Léa Seydoux as an "arrogant, spoiled child" and dismissed her recent statements as a "perverse fraud and manipulation". He added, "I will come back. It is for her to explain in court."
 

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"[A] 4-hour movie about butts. it's the same length as Lawrence of Arabia, and literally 60% of the movie is close-ups of butts."

Not to make light of the situation, but they should put that quote on the poster.

I’m going to refer to all sex as “unsimulated” now
Hey girl, you wanna have unsimulated relations behind the haberdashery?
 
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What do you think the jury members (Alejandro González Iñárritu, Elle Fanning, Yórgos Lánthimos, Enki Bilal, etc.) thought about the movie?

What if they actually give it the Palme d'Or?
 

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4 hour butt movie and "extensive sex scene shot by director previously accused of sexual assault and misconduct" are two very, very different headlines
 

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I don’t follow the director, but this sounds bad. Blue is the Warmest Colour is in my top 10 though. Even if the sex scenes are a bit tedious, and gratuitous, it’s a powerful film.