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2018-19 Season TV Cancellations/Pilots: Perfectionist Horseman commits perjury, held In Contempt
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This was like The Romanoffs; the people involved are intriguing (Matt Weiner not included), but there is literally nothing in the storyline that makes me give watching them a seconds thought.
Tuesday night's ratings. The Flash went up a little for its 100th episode special. Too bad it didn't help Black Lightning:
I doubt the episode order as such was the issue for Disney, so much as the resulting loss in financial value for the deal. If Netflix was willing to pay the same margin amuont for fewer episodes Disney would have likely bitten their hand off, but of course Netflix would also be very silly to do so (they were overpaying for those shows as it is).
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Disney gets paid per episode, so a reduction of 40-55% episodes means a downfall of the similar percentages in revenue. So the number of episodes ordered matter very much, not to mention this theoretically could affect the New York tax credits.
But who cares, the shows were expensive, bland, and didn't have the viewer retention Netflix wanted.
My point was that if Netflix was willing to pay the missing 60% margin on the lost four episodes even though they weren't made I'm sure Disney would have taken the deal. I don't think they were creatively tied to 13 eps.
But as I say, Netflix would be nuts to agree to that.
You can always just pay for what you are watching. You're not obligated to subscribe to shit for 12 months a year. If HBO has something you absolutely must watch, ditch Netflix or Hulu or whatever for a month and then return to those when they have something you feel like are a must watch. These services are ultimately really cheap for what they are offering that immediately resorting to piracy when you can't get everything for 10$ is pretty pathetic.
I understand if something is made impossibly hard to get legally (a lot of more niche American series outside of US simply aren't on Netflix or any other streaming services that are offered here), but creating an account to these services takes 2 minutes and subscribing and unsubscribing takes 10 seconds. It shouldn't be that hard to maintain a few accounts based on what you want to watch at any given time.
That argument was valid when there were three streaming services, now that the content is split over eight or more of them, the argument that you can just switch every month isn't holding much water. Same for the argument of cost, since you're now subscribing to several services at once, the cost is rising, while the offering per service is less appealing due to less diverse content. Maybe I don't want to spend an entire month watching Marvel and Star Wars shows and not something else, for instance.
While unsubscribing might take seconds, you still pay for full months.
While unsubscribing might take seconds, you still pay for full months.
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Death by thousand cuts is indeed how you kill Netflix. Their own catalogue would never be enough but the same goes for every service.
They need another model. A Netflix with everything, but with a Spotify-like payment model where the amount of streams determines how the money is divided.
They need another model. A Netflix with everything, but with a Spotify-like payment model where the amount of streams determines how the money is divided.
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VRV is owned by Warnermedia (well technically owned by Otter Media who in turn are owned by Warner, who are owned by AT&T).
Speaking of Otter Media:
AT&T's Otter Media Lays Off 10% of Staff, Will Absorb Machinima in Reorg
The ending paragraph is a real kicker:
I've said it before, but I sincerely believe that in ~10 years at most Netflix will go the way of the dodo. I just don't see how they compete against the big 3 of Disney, Warner, and Amazon. Or someone like Apple that would also have to rely on original content, but can bundle with other products. Once Netflix loses its syndicated library and only has to rely on its originals, they're in major trouble.
Don't think it's yet clear that they're not, though it sounds like that content would only be in the highest tier if it is.
I don't know
Based off the reaction to Netflix losing Friends, and as far as I remember, Big Bang Theory not being streamable anywhere... WB could have a dedicated base with that alone.
But really need to fold in all their other services like DC Universe and Boomerang.
After one high-profile failure and (likely) another one, I can see Chuck Lorre being easily lured to WarnerMedia.
If I had to bet on anyone surviving, I would bet on Netflix. I really do think their head start and mindshare can't be taken for granted. Their subscriber base is way ahead of the others, not only in the U.S. but internationally as well. When people think of streaming, they think of Netflix first and most people I know either have the service or know someone close to them that does. Things like Netflix and chill show just how much it is ingrained into culture.
While I don't foresee a day where they will totally rely on originals happening, the sheer volume of stuff they produce is impressive and they are building up a damn fine library all there own. Personally if I'm watching something on Netflix it is usually an original series, although I do realize a great number of people like watching old series. Netflix does as well, which is why they shelled out all that money to keep Friends on the platform. Something I can see continuing to happen, with multiple streaming services sharing syndicated material. If Warner Bros really wanted to play hardball, they could have turned down the money and made Friends exclusive to their upcoming service.
Disney is Disney so they will do well. Yet their strategy of having Disney+ be for family friendly programming and Hulu being for the more adult material does leave me with some questions.
Amazon is getting better, but they still have people who don't realize you get shows with Amazon Prime and their interface needs work, with some shows being available for streaming and some shows you have to buy. I've actually recently starting watching more (Patriot is becoming one of my favorite shows), but they haven't really had much that has penetrated pop culture like say a Stranger Things.
Apple continues to release press releases and not much else. Plus their proposed strategy seems iffy to me as well.
Next year will be very interesting at the very least.
I agree Netflix is synonymous with streaming for now, but a lot can change in 10 years. Netflix has had the benefit of few competitors and a head start. And they have grown, in part due to their originals but, largely because of their significant library of others' material... which is quickly diminishing. Friends will 100% be Warners exclusive after their service launches, it's just that service won't launch until the end of the year, so they may as well get the money for an extra year of licensing it to Netflix. Without Disney, Fox, or Warners content Netflix will quickly lose subscribers, in my opinion. Especially since their quality originals are sort of few and far between.
I think that will definitely be rolled in to the "Basic" Warners package once it's available. They just wanted to get the subscription ball rolling now, a year in advance. I think HBO will be offered in the higher tier. Things could change of course, but a bifurcation doesn't make any sense once the larger service launches, especially with DC films and shows being one of the major draws to such a service (on top of the Warner backlog).
Perhaps, but I don't see a scenario where Netflix is relying entirely on original content. I know Disney is pulling content, and I can see competitors wanting to keep key titles for themselves but there will be shows they don't mind sharing. Either for simply the extra cash or the value proposition of reaching a bigger audience.
Quality is certainly subjective, but I think Netflix far outpaces their streaming competitors. The past few months alone they have dropped Daredevil, Bojack, Big Mouth, Maniac, Haunted House, Sabrina, Castlevania, Michael Douglas show, etc. Point being they have a little bit of something for everything. There are months that go by on Hulu/Amazon before they release a show I want to see, can't say the same for Netflix. I think once you get someone in the door, it's easier to keep them there and Netflix is already ahead of the curve.
He has a point though - every streaming company wanting a piece of the cake will make the whole market fail eventually. Nobody will want to pay 60$ a month for netflix, hulu, CW, Warner, Disney, and the 5000 other ones popping up. Eventually the bubble will pop, it cant be sustained. You can't expect something to pay for EVERY streaming service just so each company can get their own money. Shit is ridiculous man.
Agreed. There's a limit to how much a customer is willing to take, especially considering these things are supposed to be convenient but managing individual subscriptions for six to ten different competing services to watch the shows you want to watch is the opposite of convenient.
That's up to Warner, honestly. They absolutely have properties that can drive people to their new service - they just have to be smart enough to utilize them to do so. A Harry Potter (/adjacent) series would do wonders to bring people on board, as would a (n even short) Friends revival.
Disney is approaching Disney+ in a very smart way - they know that in order to stand out (which even they have to do!) they need to make a big splash right out of the gate so they're dropping fucking Star Wars on day one, in addition to a ton of other things that will appeal to their base. Apple too (in some ways, anyway), in that they've ordered like 30+ shows and will have a bunch set to launch whenever they're ready. Warner's new service is coming out in less than a year and have they even announced any new original series for it yet? I guess they could fold in the DC Universe shows, but that's not going to be enough.
Netflix is ahead on originals, I agree. But the others will catch up. Amazon already, currently, has the most impressive and expensive slate. Obviously the jury is out until the shows actually release -- but in a couple years they -should- have the best original content of the current three streaming leaders (Netflix/Amazon/Hulu). And Hulu itself has the largest back catalog of these services, and that will continue to be the case with the entire Fox library + whatever else Disney wants to dump on there.
Warners hasn't announced anything exclusive to the service yet. But if DC and HBO/Cinemax are rolled in that is kind of automatic.
Really, really liked Narcos: Mexico. I'm definitely into seeing more!
I thought netflix heavy investments is strongly suggesting and highly implying they aim for a day where it's totally original only content on their site. I dont really think catalog content is really going to drive and maintain subscriber counts especially with content arriving and leaving, its not like Netflix true Originals will leave the service. Perhaps International Netflix will host catalog and perhaps new content for companies that dont really do international (I guess those current tv shows that air on tv here but are available next day on netflix international)
-Amzn video should forever survive unless their AWS somehow faces steep competition, and people just somehow stop buying stuff on their stores. But with how long companies like Sears, Macys, and co have stayed in business, its doubtful AMZN will go away in the next 80-100 yrs.
They are definitely moving in that direction with the sheer number of shows they produce, but it would still take awhile to be completely independent and there is value in co-promotion and licensing series, especially if you can get them relatively cheap. Not every major giant media company will have it's own service, and they could use someplace to sell to.
Season 2 was 13 episodes, and Season 3 is 8 right? I haven't started S3 yet.
I'm guessing Hulu and Amazon were ready to snatch it up and WarnerMedia knew it.
Quick Twitter thread from Joe Adalian comparing ratings from four years ago to today:
In addition to Hill Street Blues, ABC is also rebooting
Not to be outdone, Syfy also has their own reboot in the works
per Deadline
Not to be outdone, Syfy also has their own reboot in the works
per Deadline
They're probably air like 3 episodes a night every night during the last 4 days of December or something.
I'm all for shorter seasons - and I probably would've watched all the Marvel series if they were shorter - but I don't know if I buy the idea that the long seasons were entirely on Marvel / Disney instead of Netflix.
Orange Is the New Black completely owned by Netflix from what I understand, but that series is also 13 episodes/season and suffers as a result. And not only is each season 13 episodes, each episode is around 60 minutes instead of ~40-45 minutes like network shows. There ends up being tons of bloat as a result.
Orange Is the New Black completely owned by Netflix from what I understand, but that series is also 13 episodes/season and suffers as a result. And not only is each season 13 episodes, each episode is around 60 minutes instead of ~40-45 minutes like network shows. There ends up being tons of bloat as a result.
I wonder if this is gonna be movie length or just an episode.
This is what people wanted though. Back when the streaming boom started people wanted every channel to be streaming and to be able to subscribe to the ones they want. I remember arguing with people back in the Sunken Place that this is exactly where we'd end up but they didn't want to listen.
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