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2018-19 Season TV Cancellations/Pilots: Perfectionist Horseman commits perjury, held In Contempt
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said this in the other thread, but $10 is awfully expensive for a service with no back catalog or well-known IP to offer
Do they serious launch their service with couple of shows and nothing else? How long and how much money they need to create hundreds to thousands tv episodes to even compete others?
Yeah I have no idea what the hell Apple TV is supposed to be offering without a back catalogue or licensed media. Betting on a few shows with big stars means at best people are going to pay for a month and not stick around after that. Maybe if it came with Apple Music or some other perks, I dunno.
I can't believe they're actually going to release See. It's so bad. I guess they're banking on Momoa being a draw. What a weak launch lineup though. Couldn't even get For Mankind ready.
See has the most interesting premise to me out of the launch shows, but that's just going off of the 5 seconds I saw of it.
It's their attempt at a "We need our own game of thrones" show. Except the premise is so utterly preposterous and the writing is bad.
Reportedly the most expensive TV show ever produced and it's about a post apocalyptic world where everyone is blind. There's something so meta that concept it's almost as if Apple are mocking themselves.
Yup. When I read the pilot I couldn't actually believe it got greenlit. How is anyone supposed to believe these people can even be at war with each other when they have to use strings to even be able to tell where they're going? It's so ridiculous.
It has the apple name. That's enough for a lot of people sadly. No matter the lack of quality.
Apple, Disney and Nintendo have cult fanbases that pay for anything they do and act like it's better than everything else.
Apple, Disney and Nintendo have cult fanbases that pay for anything they do and act like it's better than everything else.
The major difference is Apple isn't a content provider like Disney and Nintendo. They don't have IP loved the world over. All they have is their own brand. That's fine for selling hardware, but you can't really rely on it for a meager streaming service.
This can't be standalone, right?
Why aren't they bundling this in with Apple Music and then gating things like filmed concerts behind the Apple TV+?
How can a near-trillion dollar company act like an amateur when it comes to things like this?
Why aren't they bundling this in with Apple Music and then gating things like filmed concerts behind the Apple TV+?
How can a near-trillion dollar company act like an amateur when it comes to things like this?
Hubris. HBO took decades to develop their standing as a premiere destination for original content. Even then, it's supplemented with a ton of licensed content (movies). Netflix licensed tons of content before starting their originals. Hulu the same. Amazon the same.
Apple, tho? Nah, they got this all on their own.
Wait that's what See is about? That's a ... bold choice to spend several hundred millions of dollars on.
This is mind-boggling.
Apple will now have five different subscription platforms: one for games, one for news, one for music, one for cloud storage and this. The services for news and music make sense, but this TV initiative seems incredibly half-baked and considering the turmoil between Apple's mandates for family-friendliness and creatives, why the hell would anyone want to make anything for Apple? There's no draw for this service, nothing to keep me entertained between rollouts of new shows, and a the price tag is insulting. Why would I sub to this when I could pay $2 more and sub to Hulu, Disney+, and ESPN instead? Why not wait a bit longer and pay $16-$17 to have access to most of WB's library?
Without a massive shift in strategy, it's DOA. Seems the only people who don't know that work in Cupertino.
So is it just going to be those 5 shows at launch or will there be more?
How often will they add new shows?
Which analysts think they can get up to 100 million subs?
have you watched it, or is this just the buzz/the script? also, the article doesn't specify that For All Mankind won't be day one
Apparently The Morning Show is in a similar budget tier, believe it or not:
I haven't seen the finished product of any Apple shows. I have read the pilots of many (and episode two of a couple as well) + heard a lot of buzz and first hand accounts of what's been going on there over the last two years. See specifically has been notorious for being a major problem -- they spent a boatload of cash on it and know it's a stinker. If it's a launch show, they should be promoting it front and center given that it is by far their biggest show... but they aren't. That should tell you something right there.
Is phineas and ferb coming back or something because I saw it there on the Disney plus trailer
Good show plus I only watch for doctor D he's amazing
Good show plus I only watch for doctor D he's amazing
to be clear, i wasn't disagreeing
i definitely agree that it's very telling that what, in the broad strokes, sounds like a tentpole show (big-budget post-apocalyptic drama) doesn't even have a trailer yet
I took that as an old show being made available on demand with new shows. I don't think there has been any new of it coming back.
They're apparently mulling releasing the first 3 episode at once and then 1 episode per week after that, so sort of like what Hulu (sometimes) does. Which isn't a bad idea because if they were to drop entire seasons at once, people could just sub for a month, watch everything, and then cancel until the next batch of shows premiere.
I mean, they can still just wait until its over, and then sub and then cancel. Its definitely my plan for Disney +. I'll sub for a month in 2021 when all the MCU shows are up and then cancel.
Agreed. When Apple are telling people that their big swing for a GOT style break out hit is going to be an adaptation of Asimov's Foundation you know they've taken a wrong turn somewhere along the line.
The only thing I heard turned out pretty well (a few months ago admittedly) was the Abrams produced musical comedy, Little Voice.
well, when you're throwing that much money and talent at the proverbial wall, some of the results have to stick, quality-wise
unfortunately, that's not a substitute for an actual strategy
I actually haven't heard anything about the Abrams musical project, so that's very possible -- and I'm all for good musicals. But I did hear Foundation was having major issues also. And For All Mankind is alright, definitely above the rest I've read in quality.
Agreed. I have 2 Apple TVs and I'm not paying them $10. Screw that. The folks using the Apple Music hypothetical comparison, good grief talk about apples and oranges. No pun intended.
The Apple music launch probably made them think it would be that easy. The main plus for Apple Music is that it comes pre-installed on their devices and that was enough to get them more US subscribers than Spotify in less than three years.
Also Apple Music isn't 100% made up of family friendly music produced exclusively by Apple.
Back in April a movie was announced for Disney+
Have HBO MAX or Apple announced any kids/family programming thus far? Or has everyone (save Netflix and Amazon) already ceded that territory to Disney+?
I know they're technically separate but I'd be surprised if Sesame Street didn't show up on HBO Max.
Apple has the deal with Sesame Workshops
Nothing for HBO Max other than The Gremlins series and Cartoon Network/Boomerang catalogs.
I've actually really enjoyed it so far. My question is, why has EPIX shown two episodes (on it's night) the last couple of weeks. Is EPIX already planning on cancelling it and burning it off?
Edit: Never mind, I think only one episode recorded this week.
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