Anything that pisses off critics makes me smile. Maybe season two of Mindhunter will suck, I already know EVDW does.
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I think Emily is off the mark here.
Peak TV is dead, and in its stead we have this glut, this deluge of better-than-average content. While I do appreciate reviews for telling me what to miss (After Life) and what to check out (Fleabag, Flowers, etc.), at the end of the day, if I see something that looks cool on Netflix, I'll watch it.
The 30-second autoplaying trailer will do for me than the opinion of one critic. In this post-Peak TV era, I think the role of the critic needs a bit of re-examination. Bad reviews aren't going to make or break a show anymore, so the role of a critic is now to act as more of a curator. They're the human counterpart to the cold unfeeling algorithm. They help relatively underground shows gain the attention they need to survive. While it may not work all the time (RIP Tuca and Bertie, RIP Forever), it really gives a boost to some shows we might have missed otherwise (Killing Eve, Fleabag, Catastrophe, etc.).
This is a lot of words just to say: I think she's greatly over-estimating her importance to a show's chances.
Peak TV is dead, and in its stead we have this glut, this deluge of better-than-average content. While I do appreciate reviews for telling me what to miss (After Life) and what to check out (Fleabag, Flowers, etc.), at the end of the day, if I see something that looks cool on Netflix, I'll watch it.
The 30-second autoplaying trailer will do for me than the opinion of one critic. In this post-Peak TV era, I think the role of the critic needs a bit of re-examination. Bad reviews aren't going to make or break a show anymore, so the role of a critic is now to act as more of a curator. They're the human counterpart to the cold unfeeling algorithm. They help relatively underground shows gain the attention they need to survive. While it may not work all the time (RIP Tuca and Bertie, RIP Forever), it really gives a boost to some shows we might have missed otherwise (Killing Eve, Fleabag, Catastrophe, etc.).
This is a lot of words just to say: I think she's greatly over-estimating her importance to a show's chances.
and like, I can't help but notice a healthy dose of condescension in her pointing out that most replies just want to know the show's name rather than giving a shit about the overlapping financial priorities, or lack thereof, between the critics' content production and streaming giants' promotional needs.
"Peak TV" definitely isn't dead. It's just as much about the quantity as it is the quality. Because the sheer quantity of higher quality programming has raised the quality across the board. Not everything is on the level of a Sopranos, or whatever you want to compare it to, but it doesn't have to be. Those super high quality premium shows still come along with about the same frequency they did before -- it's just now everything else is also significantly better than it was before... and due to the increasing number of companies wanting to make shows (and typically higher budget at that), there is even more of them than before.
That is "peak TV." And we're still definitely in the middle of it.
re: Mindhunter Season 2. It's probably going to be fine. Mostly because I don't see Fincher being happy with something that has his named attached not at least being that. Netflix doesn't care that much about promoting returning shows as they do brand new ones, so I don't think critics whining about not getting screeners means much of anything.
That is "peak TV." And we're still definitely in the middle of it.
re: Mindhunter Season 2. It's probably going to be fine. Mostly because I don't see Fincher being happy with something that has his named attached not at least being that. Netflix doesn't care that much about promoting returning shows as they do brand new ones, so I don't think critics whining about not getting screeners means much of anything.
Better-than-average feels like a good description of current television. I find that the average quality of shows is higher, but the 'peaks' definitely aren't as high.
And yeah it's hard to care about TV reviews/reviewers these days. The corps don't need them, the quality isn't as high as it used to be and the young folks like YouTube reactions and all that jazz. I don't think audiences really care at all.
And yeah it's hard to care about TV reviews/reviewers these days. The corps don't need them, the quality isn't as high as it used to be and the young folks like YouTube reactions and all that jazz. I don't think audiences really care at all.
nah Peak TV was 2012 when we had on the air simultaneously
Breaking Bad
30 Rock
Mad Men
Game of Thrones
Parks and Recreation
Veep
Justified
Boardwalk Empire
The Americans
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Narcos
Community
Homeland
Spartacus: Vengeance
Louie
Sons of Anarchy
Wilfred
Archer, Bobs Burgers
Downton Abbey
The League
Futurama
and probably a few more. A really good mix of streaming and network and cable too. It hasn't reached that level since imo. There's been a lot of standouts but the overall quality has really dipped in the last year or two while we've gotten shoveled a lot more very mediocre stuff.
Breaking Bad
30 Rock
Mad Men
Game of Thrones
Parks and Recreation
Veep
Justified
Boardwalk Empire
The Americans
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Narcos
Community
Homeland
Spartacus: Vengeance
Louie
Sons of Anarchy
Wilfred
Archer, Bobs Burgers
Downton Abbey
The League
Futurama
and probably a few more. A really good mix of streaming and network and cable too. It hasn't reached that level since imo. There's been a lot of standouts but the overall quality has really dipped in the last year or two while we've gotten shoveled a lot more very mediocre stuff.
"Peak TV" is a term used by critics (but coined by John Landgraf circa 2015) to refer to the era we're in where there's so much TV that it's impossible to keep up with it all, even when it's your full time job. Critics and avid TV fans used to be able to watch everything, or at least sample everything, but now that literally can't happen anymore.
The (New/Second) "Golden Age" was the period where there were really high quality and revolutionary shows on the air all the time, starting with The Sopranos in 1999 and ending in 2015 (when a lot of "the Golden Age is over" think pieces started springing up around the time Mad Men ended). Some critics tried referring to this new era as the "Platinum Age" but "Peak TV" ended up winning out as the preferred term.
Everyone is predicting that the Peak TV bubble will burst in the next few years though, so don't get too attached to it...
The (New/Second) "Golden Age" was the period where there were really high quality and revolutionary shows on the air all the time, starting with The Sopranos in 1999 and ending in 2015 (when a lot of "the Golden Age is over" think pieces started springing up around the time Mad Men ended). Some critics tried referring to this new era as the "Platinum Age" but "Peak TV" ended up winning out as the preferred term.
Everyone is predicting that the Peak TV bubble will burst in the next few years though, so don't get too attached to it...
Because The Office was basically a zombie at that point begging sweet death.
It clearly wasn't at its best, but I'd say it was still leagues ahead of other shows
I can see that argument, however I think when the phrase was first used it was referring to "this is the peak for must watch shows". We are still currently at the peak for good shows, as you explained, but not "must watch" shows. For example I'm currently watching a number of shows I consider good, but few if any are something I'd heartily recommend to a friend with limited free time who is looking for something. Chernobyl is the only one I can think of from the last while.
That's not true at all. "Peak TV" as coined by John Landgraaf was exclusively about quantity.
I am actually ok with the Peak TV bubble bursting because then I can catch up on all of the shows I missed or am behind on
Since when has it burst? There is an ever increasing slate of shows. It's too much to follow. And I watch a LOT. It's gotten to the point that I'm glad when shows I like end just so I can watch less TV - because I have trouble just ditching a show I've started.
I just meant in the next 2-3 years when it eventually bursts like how RatskyWatsky was saying
Peak TV bubble bursts when the streaming service bubble bursts. Too much throwing money chasing at a dream that's only sustainable for a few massive corps. The smaller/niche cable channels will go too.
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Speaking of niche and streaming:
Netflix used to be niche. it's too hard to tell what'll happen right now. I think the cream and bastards will rise.
At least that show stayed consistently good to the end.
And I honestly think it would be best if TV dialed down the number of shows as long as the quality doesn't drop. There's only so much a person can follow. And that doesn't even take into account YouTube and Teitch.
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Hi Kaylee.
Hello River.
Okay, I'm maybe being unfair. But it really does come across as Whedon being incredibly self indulgent which isn't a shock since he is: showrunning, co-writing, and directing. Some creatives need a strong counterwieght to hinder their worst tendencies and it looks like Whedon is unchecked on this.
I'm still gonna watch because I am traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash.
Olivia Williams seems like she's playing a character that hews closely to her Dollhouse role, as well. Most of the character descriptions look like fan fiction.
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Did not expect this to be the superhero film to get a spinoff, it bombed really hard and didn't really garner critical fervour either. Hope it's good, the trailer/premise of the film seemed neat.
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Oh, you're right. There definitely are similarities, I totally forgot she was in that... also forgot that Dollhouse existed.
The story of Dynasty keeps getting stranger. They have had to recast their female lead, again...
Again, how many extra lives does this show have? CBS is really pushing for that syndication and Netflix money.
At this point they have to lean into and make it part of the show. Do it every season and start the season off by saying 'This season the role of Cristal will be played by...'
Want!
Same. I've seen a ton of people raving about it.
Nah. Aside from some Dwight episodes, post-Michael Scott Office is depressing to watch (although really I'll say it becomes less funny around the time Pam & Jim get engaged).
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Uh, am I the only one who thinks Netflix not sending out any screeners at all for Mindhunter means they're definitely tryna cancel it ASAP?
Nah. They had an event for the press a few weeks ago.
Netflix doesn't really need to send reviews, it's a popular show, they will advertise it when it's coming out and rely on word of mouth.
It's a short season and they will probably want to keep a lid on spoilers.
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