It stems from the whole, "Jews secretly control the world" crap.
Lol @ Bernie attacking someone for not talking about certain subjects
Oooh, he's talking about investigations and putting his support behind them and railing against what Trump said earlier. And now he's going into immigration stuff. He started with his usual fare, but he's actually hitting him on his crimes and... he just called demonizing Latinos racist. Oh dang, he's going into the Las Vegas shooting and how Trump didn't mention it.
It stems from the whole, "Jews secretly control the world" crap.
Every other democratic candidate is seriously talking about identity politicsCan you specify what you're alluding to, and who else comparable is talking about such subjects?
Bernie's response was excellent. By far the best speech of the night imo.
Okay, good night!
Enjoy the Bernie's Greatest Hits of the 1980s
Man some of you people really hate Bernie huh. I don't think he has a chance in the next election and he probably shouldn't run. That's mostly because so many are just for the status quo. He's just talking and people are annoyed by that. I didn't hear him saying anything that sounded bad to me.
Bernie's response was excellent. By far the best speech of the night imo.
I think it has more to do with pushy Bernie supporters. Personally, I don't put that on Bernie. I like Bernie just fine mostly, but, he has some issues and I don't think he's winning the primary. Him giving a speech doesn't bother me, I would have watched it if I wasn't speeched out.Man some of you people really hate Bernie huh. I don't think he has a chance in the next election and he probably shouldn't run. That's mostly because so many are just for the status quo. He's just talking and people are annoyed by that. I didn't hear him saying anything that sounded bad to me.
Bernie actually addressed things Trump raised, and things he didn't talk about during the SOTU.
I know he started with talking about how Abrams would have been a great governor, but he should have talked about the massive voter fraud and conflict of interest. Abrams didn't bring it up either. It was bullshit and still bullshit.
Man some of you people really hate Bernie huh. I don't think he has a chance in the next election and he probably shouldn't run. That's mostly because so many are just for the status quo. He's just talking and people are annoyed by that. I didn't hear him saying anything that sounded bad to me.
He's receiving far less negativity than the official Democratic response did.
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She didn't say your exact words, but she brought her election and subject of voter's rights up.directly.
Yeah, probably because he wasn't the official democratic response obviously.
She's a Black Woman politician
If she coughed during the speech, people would have ripped her shit
You can't even pretend to think that she's playing at fair standards or without preconcieved notions
And yet here are others and myself criticizing her over the fact that she seemed devoid of general fire here and had the reserved confidence of the class valedictorian.
Yeah the deck is stacked against her because people could view her as the "uppity black woman." I'm not blind to that. On the other hand we have a politician like AOC who's leaning into the perceived notions of what a passionate Latina is and dropping facts and truth on people. I'm not asking her to go to Cory Booker levels of theatrics, or become a Twitter warrior like AOC. I am saying she could have placed more emphasis to underline the points she was making while making a better call to action which I think would have made for a better response and helped galvanize Dems and undecided voters who just had to sit through 90 minutes of racist fearmongering. To me, this was tame and safe, which I think is directly in contrast to the point of asking Stacey Abrams to deliver the response.
Because this felt like the typical establishment Dem response to everything with the added wrinkle of Abrams plugging her own ventures and starting off the response with a prolonged personal story that felt more like she was announcing her candidacy for President as opposed to directly answering the assertions of the President. This President has been a blight on the country for two years. That frustration didn't really show through here, especially when she herself was done dirty by bullshit perpetuated by the GOP. The "take it on the chin" approach here I don't think appeals to anyone who's been hurt or disenfranchised by this President and his supporters.
Easy for me to say I know because I'm not in her position. But frankly as the person giving the Dem response, she's going to receive criticism anyway. Being deterred because of racists viewing her in a certain light for showing emotion or fire here seems self-defeating not just for her but for Dems as a whole.
This thread is the first I've seen of people talking about Bernie's response. I didn't know it happened yet.
This is the first I'm hearing of him having a youtube channel
Van Jones deserves better than having to sit at CNN's big "both sides" table with Rick Santorum. Sigh.
"He became President of the United States in that moment, period."
Wait you're saying that a black professional woman is criticized no matter what she does or how she composes herself? Shocking news.
And can people stop trying to compare her to AOC? It's totally disingenuous. The way you are allowed to behave when you plan to run for an election in Georgia is not how you are allowed to behave when your constituents are New Yorkers. It's insane to keep pretending otherwise, frankly, and the comparisons to a long standing Senator from Vermont of all places are equally insincere. If she wants to get elected and be in a position to make actual changes, she can't piss people off just for the sake of theatrics and making people on a message board feel good about themselves for the night.
Does he, really?
Also, just found out he was co-host of Crossfire with Newt fucking Gingrich. C'mon man, Van is the very definition of "both sides".
She's not currently running a campaign in Georgia. Her response does not need to take that into consideration. She doesn't hold any current government office. She's making a response, speaking for Democrats across the country, not just her former constituency in Georgia. It's asinine to pretend like she needed to be protective of how she spoke here as if she was running an important reelection campaign today, though as I said it almost seemed like she was going to announce something for the first two and a half minutes of her response.
It's also clear she didn't lose the election in Georgia because of the perceptions of her as a black woman, but very likely was due to voter suppression, an issue I applaud her bringing back up, despite the appearance it would clearly give that she's salty about the outcome. That's why, to me, it's frustrating she chooses to bring that up in her response but for everything else tows the safe Dem line of talking points here in response to Trump in the safest, vanilla way possible.
Yeah, this.Does he, really?
Also, just found out he was co-host of Crossfire with Newt fucking Gingrich. C'mon man, Van is the very definition of "both sides".
Yep..."This country has socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor."
Did you mean Republicans?Absolutely jaw-droppingly embarrassing behavior from some Dems for those standing ovations. Initially shocked, but upon further reflection I have to admit I don't know how I could have been. Their gut-wrenching posturing will never not be a slap in the face, no matter how much one gets used to it.