Bernie is very good at coining phrases . Accurate tooYep..."This country has socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor."
Bernie is very good at coining phrases . Accurate tooYep..."This country has socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor."
She's not currently running a campaign in Georgia. Her response does not need to take that into consideration. She doesn't hold any current government office. She's making a response, speaking for Democrats across the country, not just her former constituency in Georgia. It's asinine to pretend like she needed to be protective of how she spoke here as if she was running an important reelection campaign today, though as I said it almost seemed like she was going to announce something for the first two and a half minutes of her response.
It's also clear she didn't lose the election in Georgia because of the perceptions of her as a black woman, but very likely was due to voter suppression, an issue I applaud her bringing back up, despite the appearance it would clearly give that she's salty about the outcome. That's why, to me, it's frustrating she chooses to bring that up in her response but for everything else tows the safe Dem line of talking points here in response to Trump in the safest, vanilla way possible.
She behaved during her campaign exactly as she did tonight, so using the fact that she was so popular as an example for why she could act like the imaginary person some of you wish she was doesn't make any sense. Stacey Abrams was asked to speak tonight and this is who she is. The fact that she does not currently hold an office makes her position even more precarious, I would think. Her only influence comes from how she is perceived on this most public stage.
I don't at all think it's asinine to acknowledge that black women have to be careful of their behavior at all times, especially black women seeking positions of power and authority in Georgia. I can't believe you'd actually suggest that potentially bombing tonight isn't a risk for someone still up and coming.
And frankly I don't even know what you people are talking about when you say she was vanilla. She went in on the shutdown at length. She said Trump was responsible, called his behavior un-American, said it was disgraceful, talked about how it exploited working class people. When talking about the topic of the shutdown she explicitly said the words "cannot be negotiable," though she framed it in a very specific and positive context that keeps away from the "negative Democrats won't come to the table" spin people would look for.
She brought up school shootings and blamed the White House explicitly for a lack of response. She said "family's hopes are being crushed by Republican leadership that ignores real life or just doesn't understand it" and brought up the importance of unions and directly blamed the Republican tax break and the trade wars for economic issues. That's just in the first half.
Did you guys actually listen to what she said or were you so turned off by her tone of voice not matching your own anger that you couldn't process it? Because if that's vanilla, I'm not sure what political discourse is expected to be anymore.
Seeing people say someone making great points delivered well is boring really puts into focus why someone like Trump wins. Nobody cares about policy. They want pageantry.
Pelosi is clapping at Trump like he just successfully shit in the bowl for the first time after numerous attempts, so yes.
To kind of use a hackneyed expression (but with all my heart toward you 💚):
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
She hasn't hinted that she's still seeking office in the imminent future. If she's going to try running for governor again that wouldn't be for the next four years. The fact that she instead decided to take time out to plug her non-profit tells me that seeking office isn't her top priority within the next two years.
It was posted minutes after it happened many pages back, but nothing wrong with bringing it back.
Yep..."This country has socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor."
Thank you for taking the words right out of my mouth.Absolutely jaw-droppingly embarrassing behavior from some Dems for those standing ovations. Initially shocked, but upon further reflection I have to admit I don't know how I could have been. Their gut-wrenching posturing will never not be a slap in the face, no matter how much one gets used to it.
Jr this afternoon:
Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr
Speaks for itself and no one is at all surprised.
Jr last night:
Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr
Getting ready to watch @realDonaldTrump at the big show. Love this group. #sotu
Does she clap like that all the time or is it a special clap for Trump?
Well if you're fairly sure
Although it's probably easier to... not clap for the white supremacist at all?
"It wasn't sarcastic," Speaker Pelosi told reporters Wednesday, pointing to the language that brought her to her feet — and Trump's own history of inflammatory rhetoric and personal attacks on his opponents.
"Look at what I was applauding," Pelosi said. "I wanted him to know that it was very welcomed."
Instead it reads like she's not a leftist so must support Trump, right?
You're trying to will this whole "petty queen" thing into existence but it doesn't fit. It's Nancy Pelosi, not Cardi B here.
You want me to explain how I came to the conclusion that we shouldn't be applauding white supremacists? You are in need of an explanation here?
That was a special clap for Donald.Does she clap like that all the time or is it a special clap for Trump?
Nancy isn't stupid, of course she'd deny an obvious thing like that in the press.
But you're not going to bother listening to what she has to say, regardless?
Of course what's missing is why would you assume she's that terrible a person to begin with?
Why
What could Trump do? Remove her from office? Execute her? Is she worried about the right attacking her? As if they don't do that already on an hourly basis. It's not like Pelosi doesn't criticize Trump all the fucking time. Oh but now she has to lie about sarcastic clapping because…? This isn't Pelosi playing 4D chess while trying to become the petty queen of social media. It's someone fucking clapping while a bunch of people get really delusional about it.
I mean, you're clear ignoring what Pelosi herself is saying since it doesn't fit your biases so...
Are you capable of containing multiple thoughts in your head at once? You can criticize someone for doing something shitty without thinking they're a terrible person. Or are you just this immune to criticism of your favorite politicians?
Pelosi wants people to know it's a genuine clap. The New York Times photographer who was nearby came to the same conclusion.
https://people.com/politics/why-nancy-pelosi-clap-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/
wouldn't think this was something outside of her ability to do,
without spending a few minutes looking at other possible options for her behaviour.
100% agree. She maintains her usual appearance of professionalism, and at the same time, we all know and nobody can prove otherwise. Nancy saying it wasn't sarcastic also shuts down further discussion because anyone saying it wasn't must be calling her a liar, and Trump lacks the balls to do that. We all still know. I totally believe her daughter on this.It's not about Trump, it's about decorum and Pelosi knows how to stay looking professional at all times because she's really good at what she does. Telling a white lie like this means nothing in the grand scheme of things. This isn't a master plan, doesn't have to be. People are sarcastic to others while putting on a front of plausible deniability all the time. I wouldn't think this was something outside of her ability to do, particularly when her own daughter confirms this isn't out of character for her to do.