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2019 State of the Union |OT| I'll allow it - Nancy (2/5 at 9pm ET)
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Is that just privatize the profits, and socialize the losses put another way?
She may like to run again there, some day. Unlike you think she's retiring from running for office altogether, which I doubt as this is a major sign she still wants to be in that field. Being a black woman will affect her political ambitious outside the South, as well. AOC's not simply running in a safe blue seat, she's in a tiny fraction of New York who are ok electing dude's like Andrew Cuomo governor. She remains untested in seats like that, which is why she's getting away with more.
It can be both. America's racism and sexism don't end for black women, regardless of where they are. Particularly in a state like Georgia. Being safe = political career keeps going, not being safe = goodbye holding political office. I can understand why she went with that approach.
She hasn't hinted that she's still seeking office in the imminent future. If she's going to try running for governor again that wouldn't be for the next four years. The fact that she instead decided to take time out to plug her non-profit tells me that seeking office isn't her top priority within the next two years.
And frankly everyone has to be ultra sensitive towards their image when seeking public office. That happens with everyone, specifically because people don't tend to focus solely on the content of one's message. Look last year at Joe Kennedy's response to Trump. Of course his issues had more to do with his physical appearance as people couldn't stop talking about how wet his mouth looked.
At length is a bit of a stretch considering her time spent on the shutdown was about half as long as her telling her personal family story at the beginning of the speech. Calling out the GOP for the shutdown itself isn't new and has been said in much more I feel effective and passionate way which again didn't make it about her and her time working with Republicans at the state level. Every "reach across the isle" Dem has that story in their back pocket.
Again none of this is really new, nor was it presented I think in a way that really connected with anyone that these are urgent issues that we're facing. Which I thing is my biggest issue here. Her big sister call to action was to check out her non-profit.
Look Abrams is a great orator. I'm not going to try and take that away from her. On the same token I do feel that she could have easily been replaced by a Harris or another Dem currently holding it seeing as her last few minutes was the greatest hits material delivered in what felt like a very manufactured optimism. Someone they'd be looking to prop up in the immediate future. Not someone who is unsure as to what their political future holds with a big ol' shrug emoji. I feel like there was more to give there. To really speak towards people who see this going down and are on the verge of giving up, or accepting how things are. Feel free to disagree but I feel I've seen Abrams break down injustices with much more oomph than what we saw tonight. Which as I mentioned earlier I'm willing to admit perhaps it's becauss this was all a prepared speech being read from a TelePrompTer.
Pelosi is clapping at Trump like he just successfully shit in the bowl for the first time after numerous attempts, so yes.
Facts. Glad Im not seeing that elsewhere. Just here. What a ridiculously shallow take... Jesus Christ people. Do better.
Jesus, I just watched this on DVR. Fastforwarded through the last 20-30 minutes or so because it was hard to watch
But the bits about investigations were just incredibly creepy and awkward, even some of the Republicans seemed kind of stunned and not really sure how to react
But the bits about investigations were just incredibly creepy and awkward, even some of the Republicans seemed kind of stunned and not really sure how to react
Uh... This is certainly an interesting take on the SOTU speech from some of the Australian media...
https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...h/news-story/660e87a42b1a075f99e01da73255ec68
https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...h/news-story/660e87a42b1a075f99e01da73255ec68
To kind of use a hackneyed expression (but with all my heart toward you 💚):
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Some of the responses to Abrams' address... come on. I honestly can't think of a better SOTU response, either Democratic or Republican. She delivered a great message with a great voice, but it seems some have become tone deaf to political rhetoric that lies outside the Twitter clapback range.
As far as SOTU responses go, almost all of the memorable ones are memorable for the wrong reasons. I'll remember this one for the stark contrast it provided, for its comforting combination of seriousness of policy and compassion, and for the impeccable way it was delivered.
As far as SOTU responses go, almost all of the memorable ones are memorable for the wrong reasons. I'll remember this one for the stark contrast it provided, for its comforting combination of seriousness of policy and compassion, and for the impeccable way it was delivered.
I guess no more Infrastucture Weeks? Buffoon got his tax cut to enrich himself and that's all he cared about.
Last years SotU, very specific:
I am asking both parties to come together to give us the safe, fast, reliable, and modern infrastructure our economy needs and our people deserve.
Tonight, I am calling on the Congress to produce a bill that generates at least $1.5 trillion for the new infrastructure investment we need.
Every Federal dollar should be leveraged by partnering with State and local governments and, where appropriate, tapping into private sector investment — to permanently fix the infrastructure deficit.
Any bill must also streamline the permitting and approval process — getting it down to no more than two years, and perhaps even one.
This years SotU, less specific comments, more vague:
Both parties should be able to unite for a great rebuilding of America's crumbling infrastructure. I know that the Congress is eager to pass an infrastructure bill — and I am eager to work with you on legislation to deliver new and important infrastructure investment, including investments in the cutting edge industries of the future. This is not an option. This is a necessity.
Last years SotU, very specific:
I am asking both parties to come together to give us the safe, fast, reliable, and modern infrastructure our economy needs and our people deserve.
Tonight, I am calling on the Congress to produce a bill that generates at least $1.5 trillion for the new infrastructure investment we need.
Every Federal dollar should be leveraged by partnering with State and local governments and, where appropriate, tapping into private sector investment — to permanently fix the infrastructure deficit.
Any bill must also streamline the permitting and approval process — getting it down to no more than two years, and perhaps even one.
This years SotU, less specific comments, more vague:
Both parties should be able to unite for a great rebuilding of America's crumbling infrastructure. I know that the Congress is eager to pass an infrastructure bill — and I am eager to work with you on legislation to deliver new and important infrastructure investment, including investments in the cutting edge industries of the future. This is not an option. This is a necessity.
It was posted minutes after it happened many pages back, but nothing wrong with bringing it back.Great pic, sorry if posted already. That shade.
:D
I'm interested what Pelosi was saying when Trump was talking about unemployment being low. Are these the results of Obama policies? Is that why she didn't clap when he talked about the lowest level of unemployment ever for minorities?
Giving him the 'great job going potty all by yourself like a big boy!' clap really made my day.
Jr this afternoon:
Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr
Speaks for itself and no one is at all surprised.
Jr last night:
Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr
Getting ready to watch @realDonaldTrump at the big show. Love this group. #sotu
hypocrites?
Speaks for itself and no one is at all surprised.
Of course he felt threatened.
First time he saw a bunch of women covered in white that he didn't have power over.
What do you want me to back up? That she's not doing it sarcastically? I think that the idea that she was acting as an insincere clown performing for an audience (perfectly in line with your stated political philosophies) is something that neither of us can contest, since you're asking for evidence of the presence or absence of sarcasm.
Pelosi wants people to know it's a genuine clap. The New York Times photographer who was nearby came to the same conclusion.
https://people.com/politics/why-nancy-pelosi-clap-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/
Does she clap like that all the time or is it a special clap for Trump?
Watched this last night as I cooked, and I know it's old hat to comment on, but how is every American not mortified at some of your politicians doing a "USA!USA!" chant on multiple occasions during this?
There was a lot of moments during this that I drowned in second hand embarrassment.
There was a lot of moments during this that I drowned in second hand embarrassment.
Well if you're fairly sure
Although it's probably easier to... not clap for the white supremacist at all?
It's not like there's one certain method to dismiss Trump. What about that clap looked deadly serious to you?
Pelosi's own daughter disagrees with you.
Nor have you explained how you came to this conclusion. Instead it reads like she's not a leftist so must support Trump, right?
She also disagrees with her mom.
You're trying to will this whole "petty queen" thing into existence but it doesn't fit. It's Nancy Pelosi, not Cardi B here.
You want me to explain how I came to the conclusion that we shouldn't be applauding white supremacists? You are in need of an explanation here?
Man you can miss me with this dumb ass argument. Nice try tho
But you're not going to bother listening to what she has to say, regardless? You've made up your mind already and Nancy's gotta be the bad guy because reasons.
You don't have to be Cardi B to do that. Nancy isn't stupid, of course she'd deny an obvious thing like that in the press. I expect Trump to fall for it, not everybody else.
To explain why that is the only method to show disapproval, on a website who routinely make sarcastic jabs at white supremacists. This isn't about not clapping being an option, it's the only option from Nancy you take value in. Which is odd, to say the least. Humor and sarcasm are traditions at taking the wind out of politicians like Trump, Hollywood's been doing that to him for decades before he got into politics. Do you think they were all supporting him, as well?
Of course what's missing is why would you assume she's that terrible a person to begin with? You think Nancy's down with white supremacy?
Because you haven't presented one with any substance. Comes across like justification after the fact because Nancy has no sense of humour? Is she a secret white supremacist? Can't be insulted by Trump, despite being involved with a display in the SOTU which were inspired by the suffrage movement to spite Trump.
That was a special clap for Donald.
Pelosi claps normally for everyone else.
Why
What could Trump do? Remove her from office? Execute her? Is she worried about the right attacking her? As if they don't do that already on an hourly basis. It's not like Pelosi doesn't criticize Trump all the fucking time. Oh but now she has to lie about sarcastic clapping because…? This isn't Pelosi playing 4D chess while trying to become the petty queen of social media. It's someone fucking clapping while a bunch of people get really delusional about it.
I mean, you're clear ignoring what Pelosi herself is saying since it doesn't fit your biases so...
Are you capable of containing multiple thoughts in your head at once? You can criticize someone for doing something shitty without thinking they're a terrible person. Or are you just this immune to criticism of your favorite politicians?
It's not about Trump, it's about decorum and Pelosi knows how to stay looking professional at all times because she's really good at what she does. Telling a white lie like this means nothing in the grand scheme of things. This isn't a master plan, doesn't have to be. People are sarcastic to others while putting on a front of plausible deniability all the time. I wouldn't think this was something outside of her ability to do, particularly when her own daughter confirms this isn't out of character for her to do.
I'm willing to entertain other options as possible, but you don't seem to do so for mine and ignore questions to how you came about your conclusions.
Of course, but you're not giving me much about why you think the worst about her without spending a few minutes looking at other possible options for her behaviour. I assume you have a problem with her because you're not hesitating in the slightest to paint her as a bad guy for clapping? Something which you refuse to go into why you feel this way. I'm not against criticising Pelosi, or anyone else I like, where I draw the line is not adeptly explaining how you got to that conclusion and ignoring other evidence and her character - she's just bad and that's it because she clapped one time when you didn't like it once.
It's quite a leap from "this isn't outside of her ability to do so" to "yep, this is definitely the case and anyone who disagrees is just a hater"
I think she clapped for a dumb hateful man for a dumb reason. I think a whole bunch of Democrats in that room clapped for Trump for dumb reasons. And it's so much easier to spin and reach and find any reason we can to defend people we admire rather than actually criticize them.
Really?
I have looked at the (one) other option, it's what we've been arguing about this entire time. It only exists because of idiotic social media worship culture. There's nothing actually there.
You shouldn't
Uh huh
Well of course not. I may as well be arguing with a brick wall here. Pelosi herself saying it wasn't sarcastic? Not good enough, clearly she's lying for no real reason and to nobody's benefit. Basic common sense? Nope, she's a petty queen sarcastically owning Trump. There is no piece of evidence or any argument compelling enough for you. I would have an easier time getting pigs to fly then convincing you that Nancy Pelosi isn't the patron saint of sarcastic clapping.
If this was anyone but Nancy Pelosi, this wouldn't even be a thing. People would just laugh at an other out of touch politician clapping for Trump's big boy speech and move on.
100% agree. She maintains her usual appearance of professionalism, and at the same time, we all know and nobody can prove otherwise. Nancy saying it wasn't sarcastic also shuts down further discussion because anyone saying it wasn't must be calling her a liar, and Trump lacks the balls to do that. We all still know. I totally believe her daughter on this.