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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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She's redundant with Kamala around. More charismatic and less flip flop-y.
Riiiight.
That video of him praising Fidel in the middle of a debate? (fuck Jorge Ramos btw)
Those "erotic rape poems" CNN tried to bring up?
None of that worked, and unless they have something new, I don't see much "oppo" stuff coming out.
There was that lady on twitter combing through 20 years of Vermont Public Access TV to try to find something, anything damning and every video she posted just made him seem cooler.
It would be a good strategy for him to announce soon after Bernie.
Because he's not going to bring anybody like me to the voting booths. He's not inspiring at all except to a specific niche of faux-woke white bros
If you guys really believe that's the worse stuff out there, you're in for a ride.
This is ridiculous and proof of how Bernie and a good chunk of his followers just don't get it when it comes to race issues.
He's pretty popular with those who make less than 50k, nonwhites, and working class whites with no college degree.
What kind of person are you politically?
I mean I doubt Hillary didn't drop oppo out of fear. It's just that someone who runs sketchy international foundation that takes money from hostile foreign governments and was married to Bill Clinton and everything that comes with him couldn't exactly expect people to care about whatever Bernie's wife's college thing amounted to.
She didn't attack him because she herself, had so many scandals and didn't want to open any can of worms and tried to run the primary out and run out the clock
Bernie isn't my first or even second choice this time around, but of all the people sharing that bernie is running on my timeline, none of them have been white guys. Anecdotal, I know, but your take just doesn't comport with reality.
I wouldn't call these other particular friends of mine faux-woke, but two white guys who were big Bernie fans last time around in an arguably bernie-bro way are actually really into Andrew Yang this time around.
Wishful thinking on your part or do have something? Spill the T!
Agreed. It's really unfair how Jews have dominated the presidency.
Time for someone else to get a turn!
Bernie is white. Bernie is also Jewish. Both are simultaneously true.
Oh gosh I wish. Maybe I'll leave a comment on their posts to get the ball rolling or something.
Yes, I am aware of this. The problem is that the second part of what Bernie is tends to be dismissed with the first part. And it should not be.
"Comport with reality?" I'm not a poli sci major. I'm not hung up on theoreticals because this isn't a chess game where you just have good policies and pretend nothing else matters. Bernie's reputation at large is being an out of touch dotard and a sore loser. The only people voting for him are people who were already going to vote and are only voting on specific policies. Because he's not inspiring to people who don't have their nose in politics all the time. At all.
I don't have a single friend who's excited for him to run. No one on social media, nobody at work, none of the girls I live with. Bernie comes across as stubborn old man and that's not very flattering in the current climate.
It's not that its dismissed, it's that it's not usually relevant when the topic of race comes up in the context of the campaign
Well what if i told you hes popular with pocs and people in general and that white people hate him cause that what polls show.
I think that reputation is mostly among us Extremely Online types. As far as I can tell, average 20-30 somethings are still pretty excited about Bernie, regardless of their race/gender. And that makes sense since he won a majority of 20-30 somethings in 2016 too. Obviously they might be pulled away over the course of the primary, but it goes without saying that Bernie would not be polling in 1st out of announced candidates if his support was limited to white guy bernie bros when that's not a meaningful enough chunk of the democratic electorate.
I'd tell you using general population numbers that simply reflect partisan biases within those cohorts (POCs are mostly D, White people are mostly R) and that in an intra-Dem primary those numbers are virtually irrelevant as most of the people running will be popular with POCs and Dems, and that I'd call it deliberate trolling because you've been around the discussions enough to know this.
I like Biden as a person, but he's too old guard.
If he were to jump in, I think he'd actually have a shot, as the progressive side would be pretty split. I don't think he'd be a terrible president or general candidate, but I don't see him changing anything.
But I thought no one wanted to be in his campaign and everyone ran to
That makes no sense. He is a moderate centrist but nowhere near a Republican. He is still pro-choice, pro-tax the rich, pro-Obamacare. Where is that audience in the GOP?
The poster implied people they interact with at large have a negative perception of Bernie, this general perception isnt reflected in polls.
It is, actually. Bernie has the highest intra-Dem unfavorables in candidate polling right now out of the possible contenders.
Everyone who likes credit card companies, cops, and dead Palestinians could.
Biden is the candidate with the most and most positive name recognition. And, yes, he has broad support across multiple race, gender, age, and ideological demographics.
But we still haven't made the debates yet.
Christ no. His record is right of Hillary Clinton's and she was panned as a centrist 4 years ago. Biden is enjoying high name recognition, personal charisma, and his long, close proximity with Obama, in a time when many Dem voters are looking back to Obama's presidency with fondness. Once it comes time to talk policy Biden will alienate much of the primary voter base. He has a long, bad record and lining up with Obama's positions is center-right in today's Democratic Party.
if he gets The Onion to run his campaign, he'll be unstoppable. As it stands, he is very much stoppable lol
It would be great if Biden runs and ok if he wins. The polls are strongest for him winning against Trump. If that is a persons primary concern.
Biden's a reliable candidate with experience and understanding of the executive who would more than likely sign any progressive bills that make their way through the House.
Biden's a reliable candidate with experience and understanding of the executive who would more than likely sign any progressive bills that make their way through the House.
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Can you post that here and does it have to do with how well known he is.
I think a lot of you are underestimating Biden's ability to win the primary. All he needs to do is put up a front of being Obama's wingman and shrug off attacks.
If Biden ends up winning I'll just take solace in the fact that, hey, at least he beats Trump by the highest margin which means more of a dem senate, which means more bills can actually pass. And it also means Schultz won't be running when he has a very real possibility of handing Trump a second term.
There are all sorts of reasons why I don't actually want Biden to win, but it's not like I'd be getting what I want out of a candidate if he didn't. I'd just be getting something I dislike less.
If Biden ends up winning I'll just take solace in the fact that, hey, at least he beats Trump by the highest margin which means more of a dem senate, which means more bills can actually pass. And it also means Schultz won't be running when he has a very real possibility of handing Trump a second term.
There are all sorts of reasons why I don't actually want Biden to win, but it's not like I'd be getting what I want out of a candidate if he didn't. I'd just be getting something I dislike less.
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