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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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Maybe, but Bernie is simply pointing the way - not giving them a road map for how to implement it. Without the latter his populism fails.
By not educating his followers on the basic processes for how those bills become laws, because most voters sure won't be doing that. There's a lot more he can do here then two vague tweets which misinform his followers on how congress works. As usual, it'll be the capitalists who do the hard work to get his vision closer to reality but get none of the credit.
I'm wondering if he's only in again to keep pushing the field left.
He seemingly hasn't concerned himself with the nitty gritty for a long, as long as he's been a Senator, time.
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She unofficially started during the launch of her books and media tour for them, TBH.
She unofficially started during the launch of her books and media tour for them, TBH.
good stuff here
with warren and bernie running and AOC commenting on the sidelines it should be a great primary season for pushing a progressive agenda forward
Obviously, instead of posting tweets speaking to the frustration people have with the healthcare system, he should have been spamming the legislative episode of schoolhouse rock
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Those poor capitalists, always quietly laboring behind the scenes to (checks notes) implement socialized medicine
It has all worked seamlessly and really well together then. She even got some international coverage last week as a top 3 contender.
Character and a compelling story could take Kamala Harris to the White House in 2020
A year before the first presidential contest in Iowa, Kamala Harris is already shaping the race for the Democratic nomination.
https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/c...take-kamala-harris-to-the-white-house-in-2020
She's well nestled between these two wings in the party. Another poll earlier this week had her in 2nd place in a few places.
There's talk of both Biden and Sanders pulling the party to the right or left. She's in a great position to pull the party together.
She tried to eat fried chicken with a fork? First Deblasio and the pizza debacle and now this. Sup with these NYers?
Reminds of that Dylan song I Shall Be Free
"Now a man on the stand, he wants my vote
He's a-runnin' for office on a ballot note
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple
Tellin' me he loves all kinds of people
He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins"
"Now a man on the stand, he wants my vote
He's a-runnin' for office on a ballot note
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple
Tellin' me he loves all kinds of people
He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins"
Progressive legislation is a group effort, and the ass kicker in that category is Warren, not Bernie. The capitalist. If you want her pro-capitalist legislation to pass congress or other capitalist politician to have a bigger say in shaping bills like that rather than something Bernie's socialist influence with the lawl, that's fine with me. It seems odd to not prioritise the biggest part of making the things you want happen in congress but with Bernie it's ok.
Socialist legislation won't go as further you want unless you have politicians willing to get their hands dirty in congress to get things done and Bernie's track record on this is not stellar. Do you want champions like him or like AOC, who is doing that with bills like the Green new Deal?
Bernie did that last time, when he thought he had a chance that went out the window so he thought he could get his precious, despite the fact his campaign was dead by March.
Since when is Bernie a candidate who can't tweet about his frustration and educate his followers on civics? He can tweet as much as he likes, nobody's stopping him. What's wrong with having him educate his followers, so they know how the system works? Frustration may be good for his donations but it's going to do squat with giving his followers the correct expectations getting bills he wants passed congress. He's not there to simply become an echo chamber for his true believers, he's there to pass the laws they want to fix the system.
Yeah, I really dislike how she's being treated right now. It's not at all clear that she was using this Native American heritage to further herself and in any event I certainly don't think that represents who she is today. I still think she's a damned fine candidate and similar to Bernie, her politics are at odds with a lot of main stream press who represent the status quo because she speaks to the heart of some of the biggest injustices of wealth inequality that plenty of people would rather not talk about.
Posted this in PoliERA earlier, but I've subsequently remembered this thread existed:
Miami Herald: Can anyone be president in 2020? This South Florida mayor may run and find out.
Are we going to end up having more Mayors running for the nomination than Governors? The only Governor I could potentially see running would be Inslee.
Miami Herald: Can anyone be president in 2020? This South Florida mayor may run and find out.
Are we going to end up having more Mayors running for the nomination than Governors? The only Governor I could potentially see running would be Inslee.
Edit: Here's a list of candidates: https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_registered_2020_presidential_candidates
I didnt realize Warren only just yesterday officially announced she's running.
So it's Warren, Harris, Gabbard, Gillibrand, Booker, some guy named Castro...who else? Christ there's a lot.
Sanders hasn't announced. Biden hasn't announced. O'Rourke hasn't.
I didnt realize Warren only just yesterday officially announced she's running.
So it's Warren, Harris, Gabbard, Gillibrand, Booker, some guy named Castro...who else? Christ there's a lot.
Sanders hasn't announced. Biden hasn't announced. O'Rourke hasn't.
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You joke, but people are this stupid. There's a reason the right wing media tried to blame the Democrats on everything despite the GOP controlling all three branches of government.
And let's face it, if Sanders wins and is unable to implement radical change 2 weeks into office, the idiotic left will cry that he's corporate shill or some other nonsense. They did with Obama, they'll do it again.
It's not concern trolling when all that I said was constructive criticism about Bernie and your reaction to my posts about his tweets. Instead, this makes it appear you don't care about Bernie educating his followers, which is quite an opinion. It is useless, alright, and it's sad to see anti-intellectualism being adopted by the left. You're just not interested in having a deeper conversation about Bernie's tactics or his flaws, you've failed to learn from the last national election why he lost. A pity, I thought you were smarter than that and actually wanted to make the change in politics you talk so much about but that's all it is. Talk.
No, it's concern trolling because you expect him to educate everyone on how bills are passed in a few tweets in response to two tweets about Medicare For All. Is he supposed to link to the wikipedia page or youtube video on how bills are passed every time he talks about it? Is he supposed to be managing expectations when he's not even declared yet let alone won the nomination? This is not constructive criticism at all, it's concern trolling and you do it with everything Bernie or AOC does under the guise of "educating" others. It's tiresome.
It's not a problem limited to Sanders, this can happen with any candidate unless no one really has any faith in them, which is another problem. Are any of the other potential and declared candidates educating people on how bills are passed? Is Klobuchar educating people on how her tax advantaged savings account is going to pass? Or Kamala's LIFT Act? Nope!
What's Kamala's legislative plan to abolish private insurance or her tax credit proposal? Somehow I don't remember these objections coming up then. It's almost as if they're being put forth in bad faith.
To get in the conversation for a cabinet or VP spot maybe.
I could see a Kamala/Booker ticket. Only other person who might consider him as VP is Biden. Don't see Bernie or Warren taking him.
now youre just going to make these guys admit her campaign walked it back lol.
Stop calling it school choice and call it what it is, school privatization.
Jesus Christ why the fuck do some white people feel that they need to have blackface "explained" to them by a black person, like damn it's your own history and culture read up on it!!
Flush this down the toilet with Beto's both sides bullshit around kids being put in cages.
Holy shitttt this guy keeps getting worse
The dems are sure trying to make me like Kamala with all of the other garbage candidates that are running against her
I cannot with this both sides appeasement shit from Booker (& Beto).
*edit* sorry for the double post, this stuff just pisses me off
*edit* sorry for the double post, this stuff just pisses me off
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