Also true yesterday, the day before, and the Cretaceous period.
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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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Biden ran in the 2008 election as well, and got to appear on the ballot twice in Delaware for re-election as Senator, and Obama's Vice President.
He's a wealthy white man. He's set the bar so low that all he has to do is read a teleprompter without going on a racist tirade or choking on his tongue and people will say he's "presidential".
2016 should have taught you that republicans play by different rules and voters just accept that.
Review of Warren's Book
This is a really neat episode of the Bruenigs where they give a lefty critique of Warren's Two-Income Trap. I had no idea that she had these kinds of views on the traditional single earner family structure. The hosts sort of brush over a few things that deserved more investigation - but it's still a good listen if you have some time to kill. Her views have changed a ton since 2003.
This is a really neat episode of the Bruenigs where they give a lefty critique of Warren's Two-Income Trap. I had no idea that she had these kinds of views on the traditional single earner family structure. The hosts sort of brush over a few things that deserved more investigation - but it's still a good listen if you have some time to kill. Her views have changed a ton since 2003.
This is the future Americans actually want. The orthodoxy on both sides thinks everything can be solved by applying market theory, whether keynesian or neoclassical.
Did you read the context? That's not a case for for-profit prisons. That's a case for "the current system is fucked because we're paying a ton of money into it and receiving no benefit". Which she's been for most of her career.
Primary season 2020: "Out of context quotes, everywhere"
You are going to deserve the ratio on this post. Steel beat me to it in explaining the problems. Socialists who view any invocation of mainstream economics as immoral/evil are a problem.
Many of the best arguments for decriminalizing marijuana, reducing prison populations, and other issues are economic in nature!
It's another Aimee Terese tweet. There hasn''t been any honest context with these posts. It's just misinformation to attract outrage and stupidity.
Justifying a moral position by dangling the bait of profit is not exactly a great place for your society to be. This does not change my post in the slightest.
"Why don't you do this good thing?"
"No reason to."
"What if I told you you could boost GDP with it?"
"Tell me more."
He's so afraid of Harris to not have tweeted a jab at her yet
Moral arguments are inherently stupid and unwinnable, so they're not worth having. Because morality is, at the end of the day, "I'm gonna do what I want to do and justify it to myself."
Ethics and data you can argue. Morals you can't. I learned that fast when it was morally wrong for me to be attracted to guys in some people's eyes.
As you can see this is what our liberal side looks like. The conservative side is much worse overall.
She's justifying a moral position by saying that the current system isn't giving us the results we want for a lot of money spent. It's not a "we could boost GDP" it's a "We're paying a shitload of money for no return" and that return is less people in prison not dollars.
Again, she's not making an argument for for profit prisons, she's making an argument against them.
I edited for context, but yes, I stand by that statement. Morals are made up horseshit, it's like invoking MLK or Jesus to parrot your views.
When you keep having to debate "We should do *insert policy here* (for example, Ban the Box) because it's the right thing to do" vs "This thing actually backfires" you become profoundly uninterested in having arguments on strict moral arguments. You aren't going to change who people fundamentally are.
kirblar I gotta say I respect your desire to never stop posting no matter how little you know
So... what about the civil rights movement? What was the data you could argue for it instead of morals?
your reasoning for hinging your policy arguments around capital is because you're gay?
I think his point is you can't stop someone from being a total asshole and bigot with a moral argument, but you can convince them to do non-asshole/bigoted things if you appeal to their selfishness/self-interest.
im also lost on kirblar's distinction between people being amenable to "ethical" arguments but "moral" ones are useless
maybe someone could clear that up for me
I believe Kirblar's point for that is that the argument against civil rights was based on "morals" and not empirical evidence, E.G. "Those coloreds aren't full humans, so it would be immoral to mix our society with them".
The empirical evidence FOR civil rights was that... Black people aren't sub-human and separate is not equal.
https://www.diffen.com/difference/Ethics_vs_Morals
Both are subjective, of course.
Mind expanding on your arguments beyond "Lol, look at that poster, what a joke amirite?"
i don't care what the dictionary definition of them is, the ethics in social systems are extensions of individual morality
you get to feign objectivity when your personal morals just so happen to line up with the dogshit ethics of our current socioeconomic system
If that's true, then I welcome you to the cult of Bernie, Comrade Kirblar.
Edit: No! I refuse to accept your post below!
There's not really a point in arguing "people are people" vs "yeah Jim Crow's fine", the latter are simply the enemy. But yes, the data also is on the side of "yeah slaveholding/apartheid/etc. are horribly inefficient" as well. It just wasn't very relevant once you got to the "all people are people part."
Not really what I was going for. Morality is just inherently self-justifying.
It's not!
Why? I don't think she'd have any major issues beating Trump. Most of her issues relate to winning the primary.
it was a joke because I know if I went into poliera and said "democrats should try and win trump voters over by making an appealing redistributive program" I would get yelled at by a lot of people
well the problem is that afterwards we'd have president klobuchar and it would be nice if the horizons of our politics went farther than tax-advantaged savings accounts
Finally, Kirby and Kirblar will be the new gritty of the left
so are the established ethics in a society if you are one of the ones benefiting from them
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You can actually stop people from being bigots with moral arguments, that is literally the only thing that can possibly work to do so
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