Yes, can't stand his constant pandering to racist white people...
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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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The thing about "economic anxiety" is that it is too broad to meaningfully use as an explanation for groups swayed by racial messaging in my opinion. Racial messaging is largely social. People can not be in economic hardship and still be coaxed into being "economically anxious," which is what fox news and alt-right messaging largely succeeds in.
I understand, but the liberal "policy" of "wait for them to die out" is clearly not working as planned, and if it is working it's happening too slow to prevent preventable tragedies like Christchurch.
I only care about their reasons in so far as it will give me insight on how to stop it.
The way I see it, we still have a long way to go. Ignoring the fact that progressives will be first and hopefully dragging moderates to the left on Israel... first we have to acknowledge AIPAC is a problem but then Im worried once we do we'll just be at a point where dems are still closely allied with Israel, just not sucking from AIPAC's teats so some people will consider the issue over.
We still need to push against Israel's current govt and then after that confronting the atrocities and issues since before its inception.
Still. We're getting there.
First I heard about that. I just did a search on her stance.
It looks like she'd started changing her views by 2017 at least. Not sure for how long she's been considering a run for President but maybe the incoming admin at the time helped her realize how awful her position on the issue was previously.
Gillibrand changed her stances pretty much as soon as she began representing all of NY instead of shitty racist upstate NY. Chamellibrand.
It'll always happen. There's always going to be people who want problems to be "solved" in their lifetime instead of looking at it as a generational struggle.
Comfort impedes progress, which is ironic because progress (my idea of it) attempts to give everyone comfort. Struggle is forged in pain and suffering.
Yeah and I got that and agreed with it. The issue was after she announced her presidential campaign the stuff about sexual misconduct in her own office came out and she gave a terrible response towards Omar.
As the study showed, most people voted for Trump just because he was a Republican. His remaining voters voted for him because his anti-trade/anti-immigration rhetoric fed into their sense of status endangerment, which is much broader than (but still includes) racism.
Which study. There are like a dozen studies now showing that racial resentment (and hostile sexism) were strong predictors of Trump support, while economic distress was not.
I'm aware that partisan polarisation is basically the biggest predictor of support.
I'm aware that partisan polarisation is basically the biggest predictor of support.
For those SDO voters, racial anxiety, globalization anxiety, gender anxiety, economic anxiety, etc.. Are all part of a broader perception that their social statuses are under threat. Doesn't change the fact that they're bigoted, but it is what it is.
Also, economic hardship != economic anxiety. The former is material and the latter purely psychological (something Trump took advantage of).
Yup. The average Trump voter had more money than the average Clinton voter. I think the closest accurate argument one could make to "economic anxiety" is maybe "social ladder anxiety" but that's basically just saying "it was racism" from a more neutral, structural standpoint.
It's weird were talking about racism as it pertains to Trump voters but not anyone else. As a Black dude from NYC I've been affected more materially by more insidious forms of racism from liberal identifying folks and politicians than I have from overt racism from the cliche rural voter.
This one:
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/19/E4330
And Social Dominance Orientation (SDO) seems to be the biggest predictor, which would encompass all forms of bigotry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_dominance_orientation
The argument isn't that economic anxiety is the actual reason, just that it's a stated reason (from voters), and there's a logic behind that (Social Dominance Orientation), which is the social ladder that you're talking about. But social statuses cover more than just race.
Racism within the liberal sphere is very real, and I highly doubt anyone in this thread would claim otherwise, but I certainly aren't seeing invocations of "economic anxiety" towards them either.
I'm not talking about the economic anxiety meme. I'm just pointing as you say that racism is very real in the liberal sphere, as you say, and often cemented by democrats and democratic voters but we don't see that same energy I'm saying here on the last few pages of this thread in frankly calling that out.
I basically agree with that. Would also go some way toward explaining why like 14% of black men voted for Trump, a good bit more than the share Romney got, in addition to all the bigoted white folk.
hell yeah yknow what democrats might not be so bad afterall
This whole tangent got started because of some discussion about the political beliefs of one of Sanders new hires, which then went in the direction of Trump voters. I didn't intentionally leave out the criticism of racism on the left
Yeah, that's the thing, SDO could apply to anyone, though it's more common with men. Especially straight, white, men who are well-off.
i just read half of the last page and ive already changed my mind, we suck
I didn't have your posts in mind tbh
yup. smh
Oh, well I definitely agree that the energy tends to not be on the other foot.
Well, why don't you call it out then? I'm all for calling out racism everywhere I see it, no matter their political affiliation.
I made a thread yesterday about NYC schools being segregated as fuck and not a soul posted in it.
Check my post history and my thread history
Beto hitting every county in New Hampshire on his first visit, eight stops in South Carolina this weekend and three rallies across Texas on his official launch day next Saturday. He and his team will definitely connect with as many voters as they can by the time the primaries begin.
Everyone's worried about Biden or Bernie dying prematurely but jesus.
That is indeed outrageous (but sadly not unsurprising anymore). I didn't see that thread, and I guess it got buried rather quickly for not being sensationalist enough. I can't claim to be an expert on the issue - I think my knowledge is limited to watching a John Oliver (I think?) clip on it and reading a few articles some years back - but I can only agree that these issues don't get enough attention.
Forgive my rather confrontational post, I assumed you were talking about a specific issue regarding the Primary, not the ignoring of some blatant racial issues in general by the public.
He never stopped during his Senate run so it's probably continuing across all 50 states
In Texas, he started in March of 2017 and went up through election day in 2018.
Welcome to what is going to make Beto the biggest threat to anyone's chances of becoming President.
Has Sirota's history with AIPAC been dismissed as just a job and irrelevant to Sanders?
It's not at all considered a signal of support for AIPAC from the campaign?
It's not at all considered a signal of support for AIPAC from the campaign?
Has done 50k+ in Austin. His official launch is March 30th so look for a huge 20k+ crowd
But would he or anyone else be able to match the 320 million who showed up to Trump's inauguration?
That 50k rally was a joint event with Willie Nelson. Doesn't count as a solo thing.
he said he worked for AIPAC for 4 months when he was 23 years old. I think it should be dismissed. If you're curious about what Bernie's foreign policy would look like wrt Isreal, we should look at his foreign policy advisor, Matt Duss.
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