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Cant believe it? It's the same people over and over lol. They can't handle Sanders being a front runner. It's probably eating them alive.
You are happy with someone who actively tried to bring down Hillary Clinton in the days leading up to the general election from his platform as journalist?

He tried to help elect Donald fucking Trump. His anti-Hillary hit pieces were spread far and wide all fall 2016.
 

Steel

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The same person who's been shaming Bernie supporters and equating them to MAGA fans for a while now is, well, shaming Bernie supporters once again because of some campaign hires that not only are completely out of their control, but could be largely irrelevant anyway?

I'm shocked. But no, it's the Bernie Bros stirring up controversies as always.
Cheebo being waaay over-zealous on his attacks on Bernie doesn't make hiring David Sirota not a firebomb. Guy was literally spreading FUD and more effective in stirring up resentment against Hillary than most actual Russian trolls.

Let me put it this way, it's as if Beto hired Cheebo as his press secretary.
 

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BTW....David Sirota's first gig before he made a name for himself as a Trump apologist trying to bring down Hillary Clinton in the general election was......



working for AIPAC.
 

Tomohawk

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I can't believe you guys. These are great hires!
Everything comes back to 2016 for some people instead of policy
Being the press secetary for the potential dem nominee after advocating refusing to vote for the last dem nominee in the general vs Trump.

Whats your explanation on hiring someone who wrote near daily anti-Hillary hit pieces, often latching onto conspiracy theories in the general election?
She doesn't like Clinton and lives in a state where it would go blue regardless and she decided to use her voice to send a message. This bend the knee to the party regardless of whether it makes a material difference is kind of toxic. The dem party does not deserve loyalty. I'll choose to base my assessment of her based her policy positions which from what I see are really good. Don't know much about Sirota so don't really have an opinion on him.
 

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Cheebo being waaay over-zealous on his attacks on Bernie doesn't make hiring David Sirota not a firebomb. Guy was literally spreading FUD and more effective in stirring up resentment against Hillary than most actual Russian trolls.
Never claimed otherwise, DS is a total hack. Don't use this as an opportunity to wag your finger at Bernie supporters and shit on them for the nth time this week.
 

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Is this like how you couldn't handle Beto's fundraising $ or Kamala's town hall ratings?
Huh? I dont remember anything about Kamalas Town Hall ratings. I think youre confusing me with someone else there. As for Beto I already said congrats to him. If everything was on the up and up, good for him. I'd certainly be interested to see the number of donors and who they were though. I guess we'll probably get a number eventually.
 

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Never claimed otherwise, DS is a total hack. Don't use this as an opportunity to wag your finger at Bernie supporters and shit on them for the nth time this week.
Only Bernie fans that deserve to be finger-wagged are those who are spinning the DS hire, David Sirota was partially responsible for electing Donald Trump.

There is no way to undersell just how far and wide online his anti-Hillary hit pieces he wrote endlessly leading up to the general election spread online. You saw them all over peoples facebook feeds pushing why to vote for Trump over Hillary.
 

Steel

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Never claimed otherwise, DS is a total hack. Don't use this as an opportunity to wag your finger at Bernie supporters and shit on them for the nth time this week.
Cause Bernie supporters never finger wag. Comm advisor's an important job, not really something you can say "Oh it's nothing!"

Not to mention the people who constantly harp on AIPAC connections are suddenly OK with a former AIPAC worker being one of Bernie's main mouth pieces.
 

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Never claimed otherwise, DS is a total hack. Don't use this as an opportunity to wag your finger at Bernie supporters and shit on them for the nth time this week.
Don't you think Bernie hiring someone like that speaks to his character? As a Bernie fan why are you ok with him hiring these people?
 

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You are happy with someone who actively tried to bring down Hillary Clinton in the days leading up to the general election from his platform as journalist?

He tried to help elect Donald fucking Trump. His anti-Hillary hit pieces were spread far and wide all fall 2016.
I'm happy with Sanders, and Hillary can get fucked. If this Sirota guy wrote some bad stuff about her during the general election, I'd agree that'd be a shit move.
 

Vector

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Don't you think Bernie hiring someone like that speaks to his character? As a Bernie fan why are you ok with him hiring these people?
You are attacking a strawman here - I'm not okay with that, but I'm also not okay with equating Bernie supporters to MAGA stans, demeaning and shaming them and then going "See?! These people can't be reasoned with!"

There are some people here acting in bad faith all around who are perpetually stuck in 2016 and that never helps the conversation move forward. It's kind of sickening.
 

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Anyone who supports Bernie after his should feel ashamed of themselves.

Like even if you love Sanders, you have to agree these hires are beyond shameful.


I like Briahna Gray as a writer, I'm glad that Bernie hired her, still support him, and don't feel the slightest bit ashamed of it. Even though I live in a solid blue state and still decided to vote for Hillary in the 2016 general. Maybe one day you'll learn that telling people you disagree with that they should feel ashamed of themselves is not very effective.
 

Tomohawk

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This Beto vs Bernie supporters shit is so fucking stupid. Y'all jerking off over how salty the other side is comes off as reactionary. Who cares, don't predicate your support of a candidate on how they make the other side feel and let's talk about substantive differences.
 

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I like Briahna Gray as a writer, I'm glad that Bernie hired her, still support him, and don't feel the slightest bit ashamed of it. Even though I live in a solid blue state and still decided to vote for Hillary in the 2016 general. Maybe one day you'll learn that telling people you disagree with that they should feel ashamed of themselves is not very effective.
Explain David Sirota who worked hard to help defeat Hillary in the general election and spread conspiracy theories about her in the days leading up to the election.
 

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Jesus fucking Christ.

Anyone who supports Bernie after his should feel ashamed of themselves.
This turd who voted for, what, I'm guessing Jill Stein, is BS's national press sec?

Fucking shameful.
 

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Refusing to vote for Hillary in the general election makes you no better than a MAGA supporter. So no. Her and a Trump fan should be treated no differently as there is no actual difference between them in how they acted in the election.

Wait, what? Her vote in the general election in NYC, which ultimately made no difference, is the same as being a full-throated Trump supporter? LOL. Your shtick of grasping at straws to find any way to shit on Sanders supporters has you making all kinds of hot takes.

Clinton was a terrible candidate for president. In a solid blue state, I can understand why someone might not vote for either her or Trump. I voted for her myself, as did the vast majority of Bernie primary voters, but Clinton has some things that principled progressives might find utterly disqualifying. Her history of racially-charged remarks, and her husband's racist policies. Her warmongering. Her attacks and smears against her husband's victims. Her foreign policy, particularly when it comes to the Middle East. Etc. etc.
 

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You are attacking a strawman here - I'm not okay with that, but I'm also not okay with equating Bernie supporters to MAGA stans, demeaning and shaming them and then going "See?! These people can't be reasoned with!"

There are some people here acting in bad faith all around who are perpetually stuck in 2016 and that never helps the conversation move forward. It's kind of sickening.
Why do you think Bernie hired him? Don't you agree that speaks to Bernie's character to hire someone like him?
 

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Don't you think Bernie hiring someone like that speaks to his character? As a Bernie fan why are you ok with him hiring these people?

these people? if you don't like David Sirota... that's fine. I don't have a strong opinion of the guy: people seem to not like that he was critical of Hillary Clinton, which is not a pressing concern for me. But of the 15 recent hires, 10 of whom are women, who do you have a problem with?
 

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Why do you think Bernie hired him? Don't you agree that speaks to Bernie's character to hire someone like him?
I have no way of knowing. But if I had to guess, I'd say it was because he wrote nice things about Bernie. Yes, that's enough to land you a job at a campaign even if you did engage in toxic behavior before. I mean, even Hillary Clinton had a whole bunch of hacky writers supporting her and her ex-staffers were talking shit about Bernie just last week or so.

Does this mean the candidates themselves feel that way? No. People have their own opinions and a hire isn't an endorsement of them.
 

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As appalling as these hires are, it warms me to know that BS has learned no lessons from 2016 and will self destruct. Again.

Hopefully he does it before it's mathematically impossible for him to clinch the nomination this time.
 

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Cant believe it? It's the same people over and over lol. They can't handle Sanders being a front runner. It's probably eating them alive.
Cant believe it? It's the same people over and over lol. They can't handle Beto being a front runner. It's probably eating them alive.

I mean, everyone can have their own views on things, but dismissing DS's behavior during the general and calling him a "great hire" is ridiculous if you care about Sanders living up to having integrity in his campaign. Beto too would get rightly dragged if he hires anyone that was spreading toxicity around during the last general election.
 

lmcfigs

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David Sirota was Bernie Sander's press secretary sometime in the 90's. and he's written positively about the guy since... probably why he was hired.
 

Kayla

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Less than a week before the general election he continued to write endless anti-Hillary hit piece topics and ignored nearly anything negative about Trump:
https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...t-fundraising-benefited-loophole-federal-anti

https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...nned-secret-meeting-wall-street-mogul-pushing

Hillary was a trash candidate. I don'treally care what he wrote. Am i supposed to drop support for Bernie because of this hire lmao.
 

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For somebody like Dwayne Johnson, I fail to see the difference. Tomato/Tomato.

And I say that as an independent myself (though obviously liberal). I think he switched to independent to shield himself from the criticism of being a republican.

I don't think that's true. On top of being registered as an Independent, just last month, he praised Kamala Harris, and we know he seemed to like Obama, has criticized Trump, and said he was a feminist. If he really is a Republican in disguise, then he's smarter than 99% of them to see them as toxic.
 

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Hillary was a trash candidate. I don'treally care what he wrote. Am i supposed to drop support for Bernie because of this hire lmao.
He. worked. to. help. elect. Donald. fucking. TRUMP.


Ladies and gentlemen here are articles by the new speech writer and senior advisor to Bernie from the general election in 2016 (compiled by kirblar):
8/10/2016 - Clinton's Transition Chief Spins The Revolving Door https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...n-salazar-lead-white-house-transition-2402567

8/22/2016 - Did Clinton Foundation Sway Arms Policy? https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...reached-out-hillary-clinton-arms-export-boost


8/24/2016 - Was There 'Pay To Play' At The Clinton Foundation? https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...-update-key-details-about-financial-political

9/14/2016 - Feds Stall Another Clinton-Related Request Until After The Election https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...st-about-clinton-linked-firm-until-after-2016

9/19/2016 - Secretive Clinton Allies Want Trump To Be More Transparent https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...d-trump-more-transparency-while-keeping-their


9/21/2016 - Warren Slams Clinton's Revolving-Door Donors https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...y-clinton-not-hire-wall-street-donors-2420108

9/27/2016 - Citigroup Predicts Clinton Election Will Preserve Status Quo https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...ack-clinton-say-election-will-likely-preserve

10/07/2016 - Clinton Told Wall Street The Financial Industry Should Regulate Itself https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...wall-street-promoted-commission-pushed-social

10/09/2016 - 'I've Promoted Fracking' https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...s-support-fracking-wikileaks-document-2428659

10/11/2016 - Clinton Avoided Single-Payer Ballot Measure, Emails Show https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...lping-single-payer-ballot-measure-emails-show

10/19/2016 - Will Clinton Let Wall Street Control Retirement Savings? https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...ncial-industry-may-control-retirement-savings

10/31/2016 - Clinton Exploited Loophole In Anti-Corruption Law https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...t-fundraising-benefited-loophole-federal-anti

11/02/2016 - Clinton Advisers Planned Secret Meeting With Private Equity Moguls https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...nned-secret-meeting-wall-street-mogul-pushing

And if you look at his limited number of Trump focused articles (the ratio of Clinton:Trump articles is hilariously skewed), you notice an odd pattern, many all have positive framing:

11/10/2016 - Sanders And Warren To Trump: We're With You https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...ell-donald-trump-theyll-work-him-key-economic

11/02/2016 - How Donald Trump Bamboozled His Taj Mahal Investors https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...-make-it-harder-sue-wall-street-fraud-2440890

10/04/2016 - How Pence's Gambling Bet Paid Off https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...mit-gaming-then-helped-casinos-after-campaign

08/10/2016 - Are The Jobless Numbers Cooked? Donald Trump joins critics from both parties who say the official unemployment rate is deliberately misleading. https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...ic-experts-who-say-official-unemployment-rate
 

lmcfigs

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Hillary was a trash candidate. I don'treally care what he wrote. Am i supposed to drop support for Bernie because of this hire lmao.
Even if I didn't like David Sirota. I'm a big fan of Briahna Joy Gray. I think she's a great addition to the team and is a strong supporter of every issue I care about. Let's also not let this news over shadow the fact of how diverse Bernie's team is right now - where a majority of his leadership team is women. it's truly amazing and a huge step forward.
 

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Even if I didn't like David Sirota. I'm a big fan of Briahna Joy Gray. I think she's a great addition to the team and is a strong supporter of every issue I care about. Let's also not let this news over shadow the fact of how diverse Bernie's team is right now - where a majority of his leadership team is women. it's truly amazing and a huge step forward.
Nah, this should completely overshadow it. He hired someone who worked very very hard to help elect Donald Trump. He was more responsible than a lot of Trumps actual advocates given how wide some of his articles reached on social meida.


Bernie's speech writer and senior advisor worked very very hard to help elect Donald Trump.
 

tommy7154

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Less than a week before the general election he continued to write endless anti-Hillary hit piece topics and ignored nearly anything negative about Trump:
https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...t-fundraising-benefited-loophole-federal-anti

https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...nned-secret-meeting-wall-street-mogul-pushing
Ok I'll agree that the timing is bullshit and that's about it. I imagine if he had actually cared he would have went after Trump during that time and not the democratic nominee, regardless of how much he may not like her.
 

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I thought you said Nina Turner was responsible for trump?
Nina Turner is nothing compared to Sirota. Sirota did more to elect Trump than nearly any of Trumps actual advisors.

Seriously someone read this list from the general election and tell me this is a fine hire. Please. I want your reasonings.

8/10/2016 - Clinton's Transition Chief Spins The Revolving Door https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...n-salazar-lead-white-house-transition-2402567

8/22/2016 - Did Clinton Foundation Sway Arms Policy? https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...reached-out-hillary-clinton-arms-export-boost


8/24/2016 - Was There 'Pay To Play' At The Clinton Foundation? https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...-update-key-details-about-financial-political

9/14/2016 - Feds Stall Another Clinton-Related Request Until After The Election https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...st-about-clinton-linked-firm-until-after-2016

9/19/2016 - Secretive Clinton Allies Want Trump To Be More Transparent https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...d-trump-more-transparency-while-keeping-their


9/21/2016 - Warren Slams Clinton's Revolving-Door Donors https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...y-clinton-not-hire-wall-street-donors-2420108

9/27/2016 - Citigroup Predicts Clinton Election Will Preserve Status Quo https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...ack-clinton-say-election-will-likely-preserve

10/07/2016 - Clinton Told Wall Street The Financial Industry Should Regulate Itself https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...wall-street-promoted-commission-pushed-social

10/09/2016 - 'I've Promoted Fracking' https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...s-support-fracking-wikileaks-document-2428659

10/11/2016 - Clinton Avoided Single-Payer Ballot Measure, Emails Show https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...lping-single-payer-ballot-measure-emails-show

10/19/2016 - Will Clinton Let Wall Street Control Retirement Savings? https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...ncial-industry-may-control-retirement-savings

10/31/2016 - Clinton Exploited Loophole In Anti-Corruption Law https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...t-fundraising-benefited-loophole-federal-anti

11/02/2016 - Clinton Advisers Planned Secret Meeting With Private Equity Moguls https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...nned-secret-meeting-wall-street-mogul-pushing

And if you look at his limited number of Trump focused articles (the ratio of Clinton:Trump articles is hilariously skewed), you notice an odd pattern, many all have positive framing:

11/10/2016 - Sanders And Warren To Trump: We're With You https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...ell-donald-trump-theyll-work-him-key-economic

11/02/2016 - How Donald Trump Bamboozled His Taj Mahal Investors https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...-make-it-harder-sue-wall-street-fraud-2440890

10/04/2016 - How Pence's Gambling Bet Paid Off https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...mit-gaming-then-helped-casinos-after-campaign

08/10/2016 - Are The Jobless Numbers Cooked? Donald Trump joins critics from both parties who say the official unemployment rate is deliberately misleading. https://www.ibtimes.com/political-c...ic-experts-who-say-official-unemployment-rate
 

lmcfigs

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Nah, this should completely overshadow it. He hired someone who worked very very hard to help elect Donald Trump. He was more responsible than a lot of Trumps actual advocates given how wide some of his articles reached on social meida.


Bernie's speech writer and senior advisor worked very very hard to help elect Donald Trump.
I can't agree with you. I think we're coming from very different places here.
 

Steel

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If as in I'm taking your word for it. Like I said I dont even know who this guy is and as far as I know I havent read anything he's written.
You probably have. His tweets and articles are posted here all the time with an exceptionally misleading headline that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. And he also wrote positively spun articles about Trump at the same time.
 

Kayla

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It's okay Cheebo. I don't think he will try to undermine Bernie and help trump get reelected.
 
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