It's pretty clear there is a portion, hopefully small, of Bernie supporters that aren't really in it for the Democratic party - which is a hard requirement for passing any legislation. They aren't team players, they want their stuff or nothing else effectively. I'm sure the majority of Sanders supporters are more reasonable.
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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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It's pretty clear there is a portion, hopefully small, of Bernie supporters that aren't really in it for the Democratic party - which is a hard requirement for passing any legislation. They aren't team players, they want their stuff or nothing else effectively. I'm sure the majority of Sanders supporters are more reasonable.
Yea, this is telling.
And the only defense mustered is whataboutism.
Jeez.
Edit: And to be 1000% clear. No this isn't a blanket criticism of Sanders supporters. As Pwnz says its just a vocal faction that cares more about 'winning' than anything else.
As someone who supported Bernie in 2016, but has switched my support to Beto or anyone 70 or younger in 2020, I proudly wear my centrist badge of shame.
Seriously this is just proof to them centrist = anyone who isn't blindly for Bernie. Sirota is being called out here from the *left* for his work and support for AIPAC and for trying to bring down a Dem nominee in a general election.
Yea. Beto is my #1 choice as well.
We're just dirty centrists though (apparently)
Because it gets tiring when everyone sounds the alarm over anything Bernie does. We get it, you guys REALLY dont like Bernie. You guys can overlook the fact that Bernie's team is made up of majority women, and has made it a point to hire a team of minorities to lead his campaign. Not that i have any problem with criticism over Bernie, but when you guys expect us all to drop support for Bernie over something insignificant its just laughable.
Calling out someone for helping Republicans instead of helping the more progressive candidate in a general election is now considered centrism, cool.
I could see Beto raising a ton of money tbh, he has a giant email list from his Senate campaign and raised 80 million dollars from that during 2018. No small feat.
It's just that the guy doesn't even appear that much in national polling so was surprised by the money raised. Well we'll see how it goes. I remember Bush outraising Trump by twice as much and look where that got him lol. Money doesn't guarantee you a primary. This goes for all candidates.
It's just that the guy doesn't even appear that much in national polling so was surprised by the money raised. Well we'll see how it goes. I remember Bush outraising Trump by twice as much and look where that got him lol. Money doesn't guarantee you a primary. This goes for all candidates.
My issue isn't with Bernie, it's Sirota. See Cheebo's referenced articles during the general election.
I didn't like Sirota in 2016 because I think he sounded too equivocating with Trump, particularly on Twitter. I don't think he was pro-Trump but I don't think he took Trump seriously enough as a candidate and his focus on Clinton skewed perception by omission. Kind of similar to the asymmetric nature of the Wikileak email stealing. I think though that Clinton's awfulness is being understated. And a particularly awful candidate is going to generate a lot of inward critique. That's also on her.
I think hiring Briahna Joy Gray is fantastic - Sirota much much less so. But honestly, whatever. People are wildly overreacting to these things.
Big difference was that Jeb! money were mostly from big donors and he was the appointed one. Beto's stuff is all small time donors. It's why the Bernie people are so threatened by him.
you're so off base here. I wouldn't be voting for Bernie if I didn't think he was the most progressive voice on Palestinian rights. His hiring of Matt Duss as his foreign policy advisor and reports that he was set to take a more critical stance on Isreal this election is one of the major reasons I'm reupping my support. democrats love the image of a muslim woman being part of their party... well until she spoke against lobbyists for Isreal and then we had to tone police her and silence her, even on this supposedly very progressive website. Again Bernie was, as far as I'm aware, the first to privately call her to show support and then publicly did so as well. And it doesn't stop there. Look into Briahana Joy's stance on Palestine. These are good hires. idk much about David Sirota's AIPAC work or his stance on the Middle East, but he's not the sole voice setting the tone for this campaign. In a since deleted tweet, he said he worked for AIPAC for 4 months when he was 23. Assuming he wasn't lying; i think we can probably forgive him.
Ah, so I'm sure Sanders racially charged marks as recently 2015 don't mean anything to you, huh?
Or Waste in Latino Communities?
Rape fantasies?
But, whatever.
Can you forgive him for writing Trump puff pieces and spreading false anti-Hillary conspiracy theories?
As a generality, Bernie's team has done a great job with the hires.
The complaints to Sirota's hiring shouldn't be hard to understand. I'd feel the same about H.A. Goodman being hired for any of these campaigns.
No one is swearing off Bernie solely for this hire.
The complaints to Sirota's hiring shouldn't be hard to understand. I'd feel the same about H.A. Goodman being hired for any of these campaigns.
No one is swearing off Bernie solely for this hire.
These are comments that David Sirota tweeted explaining his AIPAC past. Again, these were deleted and I'm assuming he's being truthful here, but I have no idea.
although it needs to be repeated again probably. David Sirota was not hired to advise on foreign policy.
then in a separate tweet:
although it needs to be repeated again probably. David Sirota was not hired to advise on foreign policy.
Shes my candidate in the primary... im rooting my ass of for her and she is the only person i donated to... i will donate to bernie and beto sooner or later, but im rooting for warren, the intellect.
right. if HA goodman was hired in any way by Bernie, I would also be appalled. but I don't think that's what happened here.
She almost seems too smart for American politics. She's my top choice but I feel she'd struggle more than most other candidates in the general.
Yeah, not a fan of Sirota at all, but I really like Briahna. Overall his hires seem better than last time. Tad Devine and co. were awful.
Sanders is still probably my second choice behind Pete. I could go with Warren over Sanders though if he doesn't start having more transparency regarding various things like his taxes and the Sanders institute or whatever. Some of that stuff, especially with his wife, seems a little fishy and I'd feel much better if he just addressed it head on.
I haven't really followed David Sirota much. Looking at his Wikipedia page, he has a long history with Bernie and his political views are aligned with him:
He's been involved in politics and political journalism for 20 years, so I don't think trying to sum him up with a wall of articles from a three month period is very honest. Him, Bernie, and I have all moved on from Hillary and 2016.
I posted a list of articles he wrote in the 2016 general election, just take a look at that list. He wrote dozens of articles in the general pushing Trump attack lines on her.
How is it centrist to criticize his new senior advisor and speech writer from the left however?
He'd be claiming he actually secretly won the 16 campaign and this is his re-election.
Agreed with everything about Warren. Best candidate from a policy/diplomatic standpoint but unfortunately she isn't a good fit for a presidential campaign for a number of factors.
It kinda feels like most people who support any candidate, here care mote about their candidate winning than anything else.
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Im affraid of that also, but she is sharp... i think when she starts to debate people, her sharpness/charisma/intellect will shine through. If her congressional grillings are anything to go by, she is an assassin and her points always pack a punch.
What a load of crap. Her vote was meaningless in that instance as Hillary to no surprise won New York.
Briahna is much more principled than some of the Hillary staffers who resort to hackery.
I mean.... it'd be one thing if the third party candidates weren't you know Gary Johnson... and the one I'm assuming she did vote for Jill Stein....
Like it's fine to say oh their vote didn't matter so voting third party is fine... when a third party candidate is actually of value.
It doesn't really inspire confidence or respect to have voted for Jill Stein.
Though I suppose she could have written in Bernie Sanders
Like it's fine to say oh their vote didn't matter so voting third party is fine... when a third party candidate is actually of value.
It doesn't really inspire confidence or respect to have voted for Jill Stein.
Though I suppose she could have written in Bernie Sanders
I wonder what happens when a bunch of principled "progressives" vote 3rd Party because of the false security of being in safe blue states...
*goes outside*
...oh, that's right.
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of the Stein/Johnson votes in MI, PA and WI came from liberals who figured they were in the blue wall, so their vote was safe.
It's not that her one vote changed anything, obviously it didn't, but it's the same mentality that a toooon of people had in more consequential states.
Wouldnt put it past him at this point. Plus HA Goodman is supported by enough Bernie supporters that it would make sense.
I won't stand for you all indirectly trashing Mercury Fred by mocking someone who wouldn't vote for a dem candidate they didn't like because they live in a safe state. This thread should be about unity.
Sure he could...but he won't because, well, he's Bernie sanders.
I have never heard a write in candidate described as third party before, it always just called I voted a write in candidate. 99.9% likely she is referring to Jill Stein here.
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