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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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I knew the spirit witch would have an apt quote, and I knew you'd post it!
We have been asking Bernie for over 5 years straight.
Bernie has been saying "soon" for half a decade.
So you won't be bringing any big dick energy or even dragon energy for this?
Beto will be a 1 term president. He's going to get caught making someone's calves cramp and Republicans will faux outrage him out of office.
I won't vote for a candidate who doesn't release their tax returns in the primary. So yes, he damn well better. He claims he will soon. We will see.
But Bernie fans who are perfectly fine with Bernie saying "soon" for 5 years straight using it as a talking point. Is....is odd.
I hope he plays Repeal the Patriot Act. One of the most underrated hits of the Obama campaign. Sucks that he never performed it after 2008 but I guess some bands hate doing certain songs. Radiohead won't play Creep anymore.
Who wants another Obama... that guy only has a 95% popularity rating among Democrats.
Days since Beto announced and didn't release his full tax returns: 0.5 maybe?
Days since Bernie announced he was running in 2016 and didn't release his full tax returns: A LOT
Days since Beto announced and didn't release his full tax returns: 0.5 maybe?
Days since Bernie announced he was running in 2016 and didn't release his full tax returns: A LOT
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I'm still waiting for the right time to mention kairos in politics.
I can hear the goalposts being heaved out of the muddy earth already.
So... one year. Is that the standard for what is acceptable? So Beto releases his 2018 tax returns and we're all good?
You know very well the standard is not 1 year of returns. 10 year tax returns or fuck off. No one should settle for a candidate who refuses to do that.
1 year has never ever been the acceptable. No modern nominee has gotten away with only 1 year or less, outside of Trump.
The same amount of years of tax returns we have for Donald Trump. Great standard.
Yeah, people have their own idea of charisma and then see if someone fulfills those categories before calling them "charismatic", when charisma is the capability to attract fervent followers, which both Bernie and Trump possesses.
Charisma is not universal, there is no single charisma that works for everyone.
We had one year of Trump. No goal posts have been moved. One year has NEVER been acceptable.
Bernie is not charismatic. People like him because of his decades-old stance on issues + him talking about policy 24/7.
What was the excuse last time, they were too busy on the campaign trail to go back to Vermont and get his tax returns?
They better hurry up before the 2020 campaign really gets going!
Jane Sanders video from April 2016:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-04-11/jane-sanders-we-will-release-full-tax-returns
They better hurry up before the 2020 campaign really gets going!
Jane Sanders video from April 2016:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-04-11/jane-sanders-we-will-release-full-tax-returns
Hypothetically I don't disagree but are you really going to abstain from voting for anyone but Warren?
This isn't a binary. He's a charismatic man running on overwhelmingly popular policy proposals that he cares deeply about.
Bernie voter's second choice is Biden. When you look at polls, people support names of policy but support breaks down when the details are laid out. It ain't policy that gets Bernie's base moving, I know it makes people feel better to think so, though. It isn't policy that gets anyone's base moving. It was a common strain among the Hillary camp that she'd be more popular if her support didn't rely on policy positions! But, reality was, her "popularity" was more about appearance of competence/experience, Obama halo, + Trump being her opponent than anything.
I can already see Bernie releasing 5 yrs of tax returns and saying the last 5 is going to take a while and then he'll just move on and never release them lol
He's unlikable, shrill, and doesn't get me excited at all.
Nice to know your position on tax returns is "good enough for Trump is good enough for me". We have never nominated someone who only released 1 year of tax returns, neither had the GOP till Trump.
dude jokes about moving the goalpost and you immediately do just that
There's an assumption that people didn't know that Bernie released 1 year of returns. Trump also has 1 year of returns out, should we stop asking for his returns?
If you think asking for more than 1 year of tax return is "moving the goalposts" you have no clue what you are talking about.
Trump released only 1 year and he was attacked for it endlessly. 1 year has never ever been deemed acceptable. So what goalposts have been moved exactly?
i mean if he met BERNIE'S standard then everything's just fine and dandy and wanting anything more is just, like, moving the goalposts or something
Everyone knows of the 1 year return of both, the point is 1 year has NEVER been acceptable. Both candidates were attacked in 2016.
Want to know what moving goalposts looks like? kambaybolongo pretending like 1 year of tax returns is now considered acceptable,
So the standard was one year of tax returns, until I "moved the goalpost"?
Do any Bernie supporters actually pay even the most cursory attention to American politics?
man they don't even pay attention to the threads they're responding to
Technically Trump leaked that one year of returns to bait Maddow rather than released them, but still.
Those weren't tax returns, she got a two page, decade old 1040.
But hey at least they have that "I don't know shit but I'm still smug as fuck" attitude of Ben Shapiro...
Hillary Clinton put up like 8 or 10 years...
Then what the fuck are you even talking about? Maybe try complete sentences. Maybe even multiple if necessary.
Y'all got a responsibiltiy to set the tone of engagement you want when you post in a thread
My point is we know pretty much as much about Trump's taxes as we do about Bernie's.
Could we go one day without generalizing all people who support certain candidates as a monolithic group?
"I disagree with this person so therefore I must be rude to them and generalize everyone that supports what they do at the same time." That's straight up weak ass discourse.
"I disagree with this person so therefore I must be rude to them and generalize everyone that supports what they do at the same time." That's straight up weak ass discourse.
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