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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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He should have some idea of it yes, along with the gilets jaunes in France (it's still going) and the situation in Venezuela, since these will be some of the foreign policy hotbeds of 2020.
The fact you don't have universal heathcare to begin with? So it's incredibly misleading for a politician to talk about achieving that by not achieving that?
Should a man who wants to lead the free world have an opinion on a major economic development that will have massive ripple effects across the globe?
Multi-payer is a means to achieve it. Anyone uninsured would receive government healthcare. Germany had private funds before going multi-payer.
Seriously.
I could write for Beto!
Okay. Where can I read up on the other candidates opinion of a failing "movement" in another country? Google's not helping me here.
Yes. No one is going to ask him extremely complex foreign policy questions... but having a position on Brexit is the bare minimum.
Beto is coming across as a foolish joke candidate with these answers.
last I heard, he liked medicare-buy-in which is also not universal
Yeah especially since he ran on immigration primarily a few months ago. Dude is hopefully toast. The clickbait article title calling him the candidate for vapid morons is slowly and sadly becoming more true each time he opens his mouth.
You'd have to ask them.... Someone asked him and he answered.
I haven't seen him mention any other form, but his quick dismissal of single-payer isn't inspiring much confidence.
Raw enthusiasm, and not much else.
Mr. O'Rourke, what would you do about Aleppo?
Well it's a city with people in it and we should save as many people as we can because in the end. We are all people.
/crowd cheers
Well it's a city with people in it and we should save as many people as we can because in the end. We are all people.
/crowd cheers
So you want the US to adopt the german healthcare system. Which is universal healthcare. Which is not what Beto was talking about.
It seems like it would create a scenario where the best medical talent all goes towards the private sector leaving the public option the scraps. It's not too crazy to imagine an America where public health care exists but is massively substandard to private insurance given the power of the medical industry.
I mean w have Bernie's answer from 2016. Has his position changed?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_576d4452e4b0f168323944a6/amp
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/...d-left-internationalism-with-yanis-varoufakis
Can't speak for the other candidates but I'm pretty confident in a future Sander-Corbyn-Varoufakis Axis of Socialism whether he wins or not.
Yanis actually echoes some of my own thoughts here:
He had a position. Even if it's wishy washy he was at least able to convey his thoughts.
That's already the case in most places in western europe and I guess canada too. It's not sustainable since most people don't go to specialists and spend absurd amounts of money unless they want shit like private surface surgery.
I'm using it as an example (And Beto hasn't been all that specific, but a medicare public option could damn well be universal healthcare). There are also entirely private healthcare solutions where it's just a well-regulated insurance market, like Norway or Switzerland, which are some of the best health systems in the world. My point is that single payer or bust is an incredibly narrow mindset.
I went over this earlier in the thread, but over 50% of the populace are in a position where picking a public option would be a no-brainer or would be instantly switched over as they're in the public exchanges, have no insurance, or are on medicare/medicaid. Which is not a majority that can be ignored.
Additionally, you can always add in a bit to the legislation that forces all medical clinics to accept the public option.
if I were to ever have a calf-cramping moment...
(genuinely, I hope he brings this up repeatedly on the campaign trail, it's about fucking time the democrats started being actively pro-union again)
I fucking can't with Beto's Brexit answer
Also release your fucking tax returns. Honestly, don't declare unless you have them ready.
Also release your fucking tax returns. Honestly, don't declare unless you have them ready.
He's wrong too!
I dunno man "what about Bernie hmm?" Is probably the last move I'd try to use on me. lol
You can ask just about anyone here... a Sanders fan I am not
As shitty as his views on the matter are, at least there was SOMETHING
I can accept it taking him a month or two for the tax returns, but yeah that Brexit answer was stupid. Even if you wanted to avoid talking about it you could do it better by just saying "Well, it's a sensitive situation and I don't want to dip too far into a domestic issue of an allied country. I sincerely hope that the best solution for both Britain and the European Union comes out" or some such.
Thats has nothing to do with anything. Should he just stop smiling also?
I'm confused. A few posts ago you were saying the public/private status of clinics and hospitals was irrelevant.
Him and Hillary are the only past/canidates we have an answer from. I'm not trying to single you out as a supporter. Both answered to the tune of
"I'll let the people of the U.K. make that decision,"
I'm sure you'd see a similar answer from any other current candidate.
Brexit is shit, a flop, and going nowhere slow. I'm not sure what else there is to it from a US presidential candidate perspective.
Edit: seriously fuck posting on mobile. Lol.
Good shit
Meanwhile
Beto on Unions:
"I support unions, unions are great, people coming together, uniting, for everybody. Union represents working together, I'm a capitalist, I'd happily form a union with the American People by accepting their votes for me. Unity is about union, we must unite, from all walks of life to be together, we don't need a workers union, we need a union of the American People"
Never suggested that. I thought your entire argument to begin with hinged on the productivity of public and private healthcare? Beto O'Rourke has never suggested he wants to insure all his fellow citizens. Nothing about his career as a politician or belief system suggests he believes in private healthcare, or anything, beings its own good. Why are you defending him so hard?
"I have asked my people to look into, chill, and if it is worth having, I believe Americans are concerned about climate change but I am also unsure of how to proceed, I believe it will take more than one man, or one party, to discover how much or how little chill to have."
I think people are just exasperated since it seems to be a pattern with this person. I think. I don't know. I'll get back to you on that. Maybe. We live in the greatest country on earth.
If you're going to legislate the public option to be equivalent to the quality of private insurance, why even have a private option? Would it just be for cosmetic surgeries and the like?
And I doubt that would actually be possible, as long as a profit motive exists the door is always open for exploitation.
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