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Ichthyosaurus

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The entire point they were making is that CNN was dishonest about the professions of the people asking questions. Pretty hard to talk about that without getting into where they actually work.

Except all she did was toss him a softball about sexual harassment, there's nothing truly damning with her to do that with. They should be more angry with Bernie for messing that exchange up, she had no control over how he'd respond. Are they going to do this with every single person who gives him an awkward question now?
 

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The entire point they were making is that CNN was dishonest about the professions of the people asking questions. Pretty hard to talk about that without getting into where they actually work.
Don't be naive. That is absolutely not the point of why they initially stalked her on Facebook.

They stalked her on facebook because she asked a tough question. They had no idea what her job was when they stalked her. That was after they already stalked her did they try spinning that.

They looked up her up on Facebook BECAUSE she asked a question they didn't like.

That is without question the only reason they looked her up. They had no reason to assume she had a internship.

This is yet another post trying to spin and deflect doxxing with a "it's really about ethics in journalism" excuse.

This is textbook Gamergater deflection of doxxing. Be better than them. Please.
 
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I bet live streaming killing goats with your bare hands will be great for the desensitized from birth Gen Z, but they're still a bit too young to vote. I might suggest filming yourself cooking and artfully arranging food you picked up from trader joes while having a natural conversation with a family member, friend, or the internet chat stream instead.
When it comes to killing goats this is how I imagine Williamson will be when campaigning for support.
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Except all she did was toss him a softball about sexual harassment, there's nothing truly damning with her to do that with. They should be more angry with Bernie for messing that exchange up, she had no control over how he'd respond. Are they going to do this with every single person who gives him an awkward question now?
What I can't get over about this spin is THEY DIDNT DOXX THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR JOBS. That was AFTER they already stalked their social media accounts! That was their fallback excuse! Just like gamergate always did when they doxxed someone.

It is an absolute undeniable fact they looked them up on Facebook and other personal social media platforms because they asked questions to Bernie they didn't like in hopes of finding dirt on them to discredit them. We all know this.

And trying to pretend they didn't doxx them to harm them only to go after CNN is a complete lie and Gamergater tier spin. They looked them up in hopes of finding dirt because they didn't like the questions. We all fucking know this. Stop excusing bad behavior.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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What I can't get over about this spin is THEY DIDNT DOXX THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR JOBS. That was AFTER they already stalked their social media accounts! That was their fallback excuse! Just like gamergate always did when they doxxed someone.

It is an absolute undeniable fact they looked them up on Facebook and other personal social media platforms because they asked questions to Bernie they didn't like in hopes of finding dirt on them to discredit them. We all know this.

And trying to pretend they didn't doxx them to harm them only to go after CNN is a complete lie and Gamergater tier spin. They looked them up in hopes of finding dirt because they didn't like the questions. We all fucking know this. Stop excusing bad behavior.

Yep.
 

TheModestGun

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Except all she did was toss him a softball about sexual harassment, there's nothing truly damning with her to do that with. They should be more angry with Bernie for messing that exchange up, she had no control over how he'd respond. Are they going to do this with every single person who gives him an awkward question now?
Everyone keeps running this narrative that she "made him look bad". No. She didn't. I thought he had a satisfactory answer to a legitimate question. And most people I've heard takes from felt the same. He made it clear that his campaign has systems in place to address the issues of his last campaign, and that he was severely disappointed by the news that people were behaving badly in his campaign.
 

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Except all she did was toss him a softball about sexual harassment, there's nothing truly damning with her to do that with. They should be more angry with Bernie for messing that exchange up, she had no control over how he'd respond. Are they going to do this with every single person who gives him an awkward question now?
First all of he absolutely did not mess up that exchange despite your attempt to make it sound like that earlier in the thread. And it's extremely fucking relevant. You want to run with this narrative that she humiliated him and the Bernie bros are so pissed at her. She didn't, she asked a good question, he gave a decent but not perfect answer.

Don't be naive. That is absolutely not the point of why they initially stalked her on Facebook.

They stalked her on facebook because she asked a tough question. They had no idea what her job was when they stalked her. That was after they already stalked her did they try spinning that.

They looked up her up on Facebook BECAUSE she asked a question they didn't like.

That is without question the only reason they looked her up. They had no reason to assume she had a internship.

This is yet another post trying to spin and deflect doxxing with a "it's really about ethics in journalism" excuse.

This is textbook Gamergater deflection of doxxing. Be better than them. Please.
Nice weird deflection to gamergate. A woman working for a lobbying firm in D.C. asking a question on a televised town hall is extremely relevant. And she's clearly not the only case of this happening but everyone is focusing on that because she asked the sexual harrassment questions of course the bros are out for vengeance.
 

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First all of he absolutely did not mess up that exchange despite your attempt to make it sound like that earlier in the thread. And it's extremely fucking relevant. You want to run with this narrative that she humiliated him and the Bernie bros are so pissed at her. She didn't, she asked a good question, he gave a decent but not perfect answer.


Nice weird deflection to gamergate. A woman working for a lobbying firm in D.C. asking a question on a televised town hall is extremely relevant. And she's clearly not the only case of this happening but everyone is focusing on that because she asked the sexual harrassment questions of course the bros are out for vengeance.
It's not weird. It is 100% apt. The comparison is eerily identical in deflection.

They didn't know she interned for a lobbying firm when they doxxed her. People need to stop trying to pretend it's all about her career. No one knew where she worked when they stalked her.

They looked her up on Facebook in hopes of finding dirt on her because they didn't like her tough question. How is this hard for some to admit?
 

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Why the fuck do you keep bringing up gamergate lmao?
Because the comparison is remarkably similar.

Deflecting the doxxing of personal information of people that are against their cause under the guise of it's really about journalistic integrity, that the personal doxxing is just an unintended side effect.

The comparison is pretty obvious. Deflecting and excusing doxxing to try and make it be really about "journalistic integrity" was a tactic perfected by GG first.
 
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Ichthyosaurus

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First all of he absolutely did not mess up that exchange despite your attempt to make it sound like that earlier in the thread. And it's extremely fucking relevant. You want to run with this narrative that she humiliated him and the Bernie bros are so pissed at her. She didn't, she asked a good question, he gave a decent but not perfect answer.

Bernie didn't answer her question! It took Wolf asking him again, point blank, before he did that properly. Had he reversed that nobody would have an issue with his repose, but he didn't. She didn't humiliate him, either. The Bernie Bros definitely wee angry about her, that's why they want to know where she works. Had it been at the DSA they likely wouldn't have bought it up.

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ice weird deflection to gamergate. A woman working for a lobbying firm in D.C. asking a question on a televised town hall is extremely relevant. And she's clearly not the only case of this happening but everyone is focusing on that because she asked the sexual harrassment questions of course the bros are out for vengeance.

She simply asked him about his campaign's sexual harassment, which is a relevant topic.
 

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Why the fuck do you keep bringing up gamergate lmao?
It's not weird. It is 100% apt. The comparison is eerily identical in deflection.

They didn't know she interned for a lobbying firm when they doxxed her. People need to stop trying to pretend it's all about her career. No one knew where she worked when they stalked her.

They looked her up on Facebook in hopes of finding dirt on her because they didn't like her tough question. How is this hard for some to admit?
So it's TYT fault (even though they are not the one's that originally found this out IIRC) that CNN was dishonest about this woman's profession. In what scenario can you ask "Where did this tough question come from?" Never? And again, you're assuming that it started with her, there were multiple people that had dishonest professions listed on CNN. A lobbying firm, CNN whoever could astroturf a town hall and we would never be allowed to know anything about it.
 

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This thread has become hyperbolic, so... not sure if you are being serious or glib. The cross section between democratic socialists and alt right types is not very large.
No one is saying those doxxing these innocent people are Gamergaters. It's that they are copying textbook Gamergate tactics to deflect and spin why they got doxxed.

Copying Gamergate tactics to excuse doxxing =/= being part of Gamergate.
 

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So it's TYT fault (even though they are not the one's that originally found this out IIRC) that CNN was dishonest about this woman's profession. In what scenario can you ask "Where did this tough question come from?" Never? And again, you're assuming that it started with her, there were multiple people that had dishonest professions listed on CNN. A lobbying firm, CNN whoever could astroturf a town hall and we would never be allowed to know anything about it.
Explain to me this, why did they stalk a college student on Facebook in the first place? There was no reason to assume CNN "hid" her career.

It was to try and dig up dirt on her because they didn't like her question.

The reason they looked her up on Facebook has NOTHING to do with CNN. There was no reason to assume CNN hid a career when they stalked her. They looked her up in hopes of finding dirt on her.

Stop trying to make this about CNN, they didn't stalk this girl on Facebook because of CNN.

The ethics in journalism angle came after they stalked her trying to dig up dirt on her.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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So it's TYT fault (even though they are not the one's that originally found this out IIRC) that CNN was dishonest about this woman's profession. In what scenario can you ask "Where did this tough question come from?" Never? And again, you're assuming that it started with her, there were multiple people that had dishonest professions listed on CNN. A lobbying firm, CNN whoever could astroturf a town hall and we would never be allowed to know anything about it.

They don't need to start this to be at fault, they continued and encouraged it. Because a girl had the audacity to ask about the sexual harassment on his last campaign. It wasn't a tough question, either. Did you assume nobody in the media was going to ask him about this now he's running for president, and that it wasn't a legit question?

They're terrible lobbyists if this is their best shot at a politician. It only hurt Bernie due to his stupid answer, which anybody could have responded to properly (including Tulsi!) and come off like a rock star and the Bernie Bros media circus.
 

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Explain to me this, why did they stalk a college student on Facebook in the first place? There was no reason to assume CNN "hid" her career.

It was to try and dig up dirt on her because they didn't like her question.

The reason they looked her up on Facebook has NOTHING to do with CNN. There was no reason to assume CNN hid a career when they stalked her. They looked her up in hopes of finding dirt on her.

Stop trying to make this about CNN, they didn't stalk this girl on Facebook because of CNN.

The ethics in journalism angle came after they stalked her trying to dig up dirt on her.
Ah, so someone working from a lobbying firm asked a tough question to a presidential nominee and CNN was dishonest about her profession?

.... But how do you know what her profession actually is?

CHECKMATE!

Your "gamergate ethics in journalism" argument loses a lot of steam when CNN was actually dishonest about her profession. CNN was dishonest and now the deflection is that how dare you even fact check it
 

TheModestGun

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Bernie didn't answer her question! It took Wolf asking him again, point blank, before he did that properly. Had he reversed that nobody would have an issue with his repose, but he didn't. She didn't humiliate him, either. The Bernie Bros definitely wee angry about her, that's why they want to know where she works. Had it been at the DSA they likely wouldn't have bought it up.

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She simply asked him about his campaign's sexual harassment, which is a relevant topic.

I don't think this is generally true. You've diluted yourself into thinking that there is some significantly higher proportion of Bernie supporters that are horrible sexists than any other campaign. I have to ask, was this as big of a sticking point for you when Hillary didn't fire one of her DIRECT affiliations for his sexual harassment? Hillary supporters were pretty hush hush then from what I remember. Certainly not making it a focal point at least.

Bernie answered the question satisfactorily. And no her initial question wasn't specifically about sexual harassment. It was a general question about women and POC being represented by him and his team that then lead into a question about sexual harassment. He answered the first part and then Wolf Blitzer interrupted before he could even address the second part. To then which he elaborated. There was nothing embarassing about his answer.
 

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Ah, so someone working from a lobbying firm asked a tough question to a presidential nominee and CNN was dishonest about her profession?

.... But how do you know what her profession actually is?

CHECKMATE!

Your "gamergate ethics in journalism" argument loses a lot of steam when CNN was actually dishonest about her profession. CNN was dishonest and now the deflection is that how dare you even fact check it
You wouldn't know CNN was being "dishonest" if they didn't stalk this college kid on Facebook to dig up dirt on her.

There is NOTHING CNN could have done that would ever excuse doxxing this fucking kid. They uncovered the CNN thing because they were trying to dig up dirt on a fucking college kid for asking Bernie a tough question.

Is it really that hard to admit that is unacceptable behavior no matter what CNN may or may not have done?

Calling doxxing "fact checking" is yet again playing that Gamergate playbook excusing.

Doxxing is NEVER acceptable.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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I don't think this is generally true. You've diluted yourself into thinking that there is some significantly higher proportion of Bernie supporters that are horrible sexists than any other campaign. I have to ask, was this as big of a sticking point for you when Hillary didn't fire one of her direct affiliations for his sexual harassment? Hillary supporters were pretty hush hush then from what I remember. Certainly not making it a focal point at least.

I didn't mention the number of the Bernie Bros since that's not relevant, I'm discussing the media which is exploring their tactics. Every voting bloc has sexists, including Bernie's. Yes, that was a sticking point for me with Hillary and had she run in this primary I'd expect her to be asked about it by the media or at town halls because she would be running for president. I don't recall hearing about it until years later, maybe that's why? We only found out about the sexual harassment in Bernie's campaign afterward, too.

You want to see a politician answer a gotcha question properly?



Beto got a vastly tougher question in a tougher environment than Bernie did here.

Bernie answered the question satisfactorily. And no her initial question wasn't specifically about sexual harassment. It was a general question about women and POC being represented by him and his team that then lead into a question about sexual harassment. He answered the first part and then Wolf Blitzer interrupted before he could even address the second part. To then which he elaborated. There was nothing embarassing about his answer.

A politician who ignores a question about sexual harassment about his campaign from a girl, while answering it from a male moderator is a good look in 2016? He didn't need the "first part" because it had nothing to do with her question. Wolf didn't interrupt him, either.
 

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100% serious. The tactics were the same. Not saying the people were.
How is anyone supposed to verify anything's truth if people aren't allowed to sniff test by looking into the people that were selected for questions? For the record I think it was incredibly inappropriate for TYT to punish the info on their program, but many in here are acting like there is no reason to snoop and do some detective work about people involved in the political process and campaigning. Especially when it was revealed that more than one person was not clearly represented as who they really were. It's lying by omission.

Especially in the case of CNN which has been repeatedly caught with their pants down with somewhat shady practices.

To be clear I'm 100% against publicly displaying anyone's personal information without their expressed permission, but it's not that odd to name search people that have made an appearance on a widely watched televised event.
 
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https://crooked.com/podcast/2020-pete-buttigieg-on-freedom-and-farting-cows/

The Pete Buttigieg interview on Pod Save America for those interested.


I really like what he says here
Mayor Pete said:
In the theory of executive government that I've landed on as a mayor is that there's three parts to this job. One is to pass and implement good policies. Two is to capably run an administration and three, the most intangible but maybe the most important, is to call people to their highest values and bring people together when they're being torn apart or when the community is coming under some kind of strain
It's not specifics but it's communicating his understanding of how these basic dynamics are involved and the importance of the third part.
Makes some solid parallels with his experience. Building trust. Setting the foundation to be taken seriously with some large picture understanding and then move on from but can always come back to if necessary.
He's going to be exciting to watch as this progresses. The other candidates better watch out.
Going back to listening now.
 

TheModestGun

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I didn't mention the number of the Bernie Bros since that's not relevant, I'm discussing the media which is exploring their tactics. Every voting bloc has sexists, including Bernie's. Yes, that was a sticking point for me with Hillary and had she run i this primary I'd expect her to be asked about it by the media or at town halls because she would be running for president. I don't recall hearing about it until years later, maybe that's why? We only found out about the sexual harassment in Bernie's campaign afterward, too.



A politician who ignores a question about sexual harassment about his campaign from a girl, while answering it from a male moderator is a good look in 2016? He didn't need the "first part" because it had nothing to do with her question. Wolf didn't interrupt him, either.

I literally just watched the clip. Bernie is still talking and Wolf LITERALLY interrupts him and speaks over him.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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How is anyone supposed to verify anything's truth if people aren't allowed to sniff test by looking into the people that were selected for questions? For the record I think it was incredibly inappropriate for TYT to punish the info on their program, but many in here are acting like there is no reason to snoop and do some detective work about people involved in the political process and campaigning. Especially when it was revealed that more than one person was not clearly represented as who they really were. It's lying by omission.

Especially in the case of CNN which has been repeatedly caught with their pants down with somewhat shady practices.

To be clear I'm 100% against publicly displaying anyone's personal information without their expressed permission, but it's not that odd to name search people that have made an appearance on a widely watched televised event.

Would you support these tactics had she been a member of the DSA or Jacobin?
 
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That is not an excuse for stalking a college kid on facebook to try and dig up dirt on her.

That is vile awful behavior no matter what is "found". There is never an excuse for doxxing.

So what was the private data about this person that was shared? I keep reading that they found her Facebook but that's public.

Was is her phone number, address, social security numbers, health records?


But why broadcast it and put a target on her back? What good does that do, regardless of her ideology.

Broadcasting the truth is a bad thing I guess.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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Because there is nothing nefarious about people looking up publicly named PUBLIC people to verify they are who they say they are. Especially with an outlet like CNN that's taken a severe nosedive in their reputability in the last several years since being run by a reality to clownshow producer.

But why broadcast it and put a target on her back? What good does that do, regardless of her ideology.
 

TheModestGun

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That is not an excuse for stalking a college kid on facebook to try and dig up dirt on her.

That is vile awful behavior no matter what is "found". There is never an excuse for doxxing.

"Stalking"... were people literally following her around obsessively threateningly, or did people type her name into a search engine and see what popped up?

Let's not let concept creep warp what actually happened. Unless I'm missing a part of the picture.

If people did literally stalk her. Then that's SUPER fucked up.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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Do I need to quote the second half of his answer for you? It directly addresses what his campaign plans on doing about sexism and harassment.

That I had no issue with that part (aside from getting asked again by a man before he responded correctly), the issue is that he should have lead with that because that answers her question.
 
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https://crooked.com/podcast/2020-pete-buttigieg-on-freedom-and-farting-cows/

The Pete Buttigieg interview on Pod Save America for those interested.
I heard about 20 minutes of this on the way to work this morning.

I don't know much else about him other than he's an openly gay mayor of South Bend Indiana, and also a Naval Intel LT.
But he was definitely a sharp, well spoken guy. I don't really know where he falls on the policy positions.

But I can appreciate a successful Midwestern Democrat saying, "We need to step away from our past approach to politics of just acting like less harmful Republicans"
 

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That I had no issue with that part (aside from getting asked again by a man before he responded correctly), the issue is that he should have lead with that because that answers her question.
That's fair I guess. I guess I'm more used to answering and processing questions the way Bernie did. Sequentially. Maybe the first part wasn't the crux of her question, but it was the first question nonetheless. "The Democratic is more and more women and POC, how will you appeal to them?" If that wasn't important then I feel she should have cut to the chase and just asked "what is your campaign doing to make women feel safe after the sexual harassment allegations within your campaign?"
 
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That is literally climate change denialism. Congrats!

So what was the private data about this person that was shared? I keep reading that they found her Facebook but that's public.

Was is her phone number, address, social security numbers, health records?




Broadcasting the truth is a bad thing I guess.

Tell me your name and your address, and post your picture for verification, otherwise you are very likely either a Russian troll or a dishonest, paid Sanders campaign staffer. How can I trust that you are not being deceitful about who you are?
 

Ichthyosaurus

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That's fair I guess. I guess I'm more used to answering and processing questions the way Bernie did. Sequentially. Maybe the first part wasn't the crux of her question, but it was the first question nonetheless. "The Democratic is more and more women and POC, how will you appeal to them?"

This is more about presentation than anything. He could have switched and been fine as one leads into the other.
 

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It's only 2019 and his supporters are already showing their true colors by adopting gamergate style talking points regarding Doxxing.

None of you are slick, and you know what you are supporting
 
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That is literally climate change denialism. Congrats!



Tell me your name and your address, and post your picture for verification, otherwise you are either a Russian troll or a dishonest, paid Sanders campaign staffer. Political operative much?

If I go on national TV and someone connects me to my Facebook, good job using google. Its not that hard.

It's only 2019 and his supporters are already showing their true colors by adopting gamergate style talking points regarding Doxxing.

None of you are slick, and you know what you are supporting
Yes we need more Fake News and less finding out about the truth.
 

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That is literally climate change denialism. Congrats!



Tell me your name and your address, and post your picture for verification, otherwise you are very likely either a Russian troll or a dishonest, paid Sanders campaign staffer. How can I trust that you are not being deceitful about who you are?
Are you equating people who want more transparency in a televised political town hall involving a high profile candidate with online libs calling everyone a russian troll?
 
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