I wonder how many Putin state dinners she'll attend between now and the 2020 election.
The first part of your post dismissed two candidates based on the early polls the second part of your post said are meaningless...Out of the “serious” candidates Gillibrand and Booker are DOA
He should probably drop out based on this expert analysis
He hasn’t even announced yet, calm your jets. Polls are meaningless until the primary kicks into gear.
There’s no need to look at polls to know that Gillibrand and Booker probably aren’t going very far.The first part of your post dismissed two candidates based on the early polls the second part of your post said are meaningless...
Tulsi's going to be Jill's next VP in '20, isn't she?
Fuck, I didn't even think about that. You're right.Bernie being stuck around 15% in all recent polling despite 100% name id and coming in second last time should be a major red flag.
Getting in an early attempt to frame Bernie criticisms as social media manipulation.
The majority of Gabbard supporters are TYT regulars that remember that she backed Bernie once and she said bad things about getting involved in the Syrian conflict.Getting in an early attempt to frame Bernie criticisms as social media manipulation.
That New Knowledge experiment sounded risky and lucky not to face charges. It's cool that they pulled it off and got good data. If they are for keeping elections clean going forward that information would be helpful in recognizing and tracking interference. Something other nations might be able to learn and adapt to secure their own elections.
What is the cross-over between Sanders and Gabbard supporters? These candidates don't appear to have much in common.
Occasionally I catch obscure left leaning You Tube political channels defending Tulsi. Thankfully TYT have slowly turned on Tulsi, and supporting Bernie. Maybe they supported her because she was the closest candidate to Bernie, which makes their response to Warren worse.The majority of Gabbard supporters are TYT regulars that remember that she backed Bernie once and she said bad things about getting involved in the Syrian conflict.
That being said there aren't all that many Gabbard supporters. Majority of the people who like her already prefer Bernie, and those that prefer her are a very small crowd.
Then, in a scenario where Sanders doesn't run his supporters aren't expected to become hers to any great degree?The majority of Gabbard supporters are TYT regulars that remember that she backed Bernie once and she said bad things about getting involved in the Syrian conflict.
That being said there aren't all that many Gabbard supporters. Majority of the people who like her already prefer Bernie, and those that prefer her are a very small crowd.
I’m not dismissing them based on the polls. They have no path to victory.The first part of your post dismissed two candidates based on the early polls the second part of your post said are meaningless...
The majority of Sanders voters have other 2nd picks and have no idea who Gabbard is.Then, in a scenario where Sanders doesn't run his supporters aren't expected to become hers to any great degree?
Oh? How do you figure that without looking at the polls? Without polling data, what's the path to victory difference between a Booker and a Harris?I’m not dismissing them based on the polls. They have no path to victory.
They might flip to Biden when he's in the race, as he's more conservative.Then, in a scenario where Sanders doesn't run his supporters aren't expected to become hers to any great degree?
The reaction to their announcements? The fact that nobody was really excited at the prospect of him running in the first place? You don’t need polling to know that Booker was always going to be a dud.Oh? How do you figure that without looking at the polls? Without polling data, what's the path to victory difference between a Booker and a Harris?
This entire thread is based on baseless speculation and you’re seriously giving me the third degree over this?Oh? How do you figure that without looking at the polls? Without polling data, what's the path to victory difference between a Booker and a Harris?
Also thisThe reaction to their announcements? The fact that nobody was really excited at the prospect of him running in the first place? You don’t need polling to know that Booker was always going to be a dud.
And of those few that do know her most don't seem to want to have anything to do with her or will openly admit it anyhow.The majority of Sanders voters have other 2nd picks and have no idea who Gabbard is.
Thought they'd flock to Warren? or split that way. It might be easier for Harris if Sanders does announce.They might flip to Biden when he's in the race, as he's more conservative.
Given how conservative Tulsi is I assumed they'd flock to the most conservative candidate and Biden is very popular with Bernie's supporters. Biden likely was recovering from his son's death, which would take yers to recover. He must have finally gotten strong enough to move on so he can restart his political career. Yep, that's his advantage.Thought they'd flock to Warren? or split that way. It might be easier for Harris if Sanders does announce.
Biden biding his time. A few years back he sounded like he legitimately wanted out of politics. This waiting to announce appears a bit like grandfatherly worry and waiting in the wings just in case he's needed. Probably wants to join at the last minute for showmanship and timing benefits. As everyone knows he's already got the recognition and support to make it far in the primary.
Depends on why they were Bernie in the first place. Not everyone is policy first.Sanders supporters would go to Warren. maybe a handful to Tulsi. Biden would be the absolute last stop.
This is not the case based on polling. Stop thinking every Sanders supporter is like you.Sanders supporters would go to Warren. maybe a handful to Tulsi. Biden would be the absolute last stop.
Polling says the opposite. Biden voters are more likely to go to Warren. Bernie's more likely to go to Booker. Both are more likely to go to the other. But that's at the moment. I doubt the overlap will shift completely. Don't assume that voters follow policy or political spectrum nitty-gritty. They do not.Sanders supporters would go to Warren. maybe a handful to Tulsi. Biden would be the absolute last stop.
SO PROGRESSIVE TO GO ON FUCKER CARLSON
There's a full year until the first primary/caucus and at least four months until the first debate. Plenty of time.If Bernie's going to run, hes certainly taking his time to announce it...
He really does only have one expression: he looks like he's a little slow, and is trying to follow what the person's saying, but still doesn't quite understand.
Following up on the post above, in which I happened to quote Vox's Sarah Kliff: Kliff published a pertinent follow-up piece today.That political/electoral frame is definitely worth keeping in mind, but I can mention a few additional points, that I think are also worth considering. Richard Eskow outlines some of the limitations of the specific set of talking points that were tested in the KFF poll, and these limitations he describes also apply to some of the erroneous assumptions & talking points used by McArdle:
[...] The poll finds that 56 percent of voters surveyed initially support “Medicare for All” and 42 percent oppose it, for a net favorability rating of +14 percent. When arguments in favor of Medicare for All are presented—it will guarantee coverage to all Americans and reduce out-of-pocket costs—net favorability rises to +45 percent. (KFF does not provide the raw numbers here.) Support reportedly falls dramatically when people hear arguments against the program. The problem, however, is in the presentation.
The pros, as presented, are understated. Medicare for All would not “reduce” out-of-pocket costs. It would eliminate them for all medical interventions, including hospitalization, surgery, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and doctor visits. The use of “reduce” suggests that any out-of-pocket savings would be marginal at best, which is not true.
The KFF survey told respondents that Medicare for All would “require most Americans to pay more in taxes.” It did tell them that health insurance premiums would be eliminated, but failed to explain that the vast majority of families would pay considerably less in taxes than they currently pay in premiums and out-of-pocket costs. Many working Americans with employer-based insurance are unaware of how much is deducted from their paychecks in premiums, which also dilutes the impact of this question.
The survey told respondents that Medicare for All would “eliminate private health insurance companies,” but it did not tell them why: these corporations add to the overall cost of health care without providing anything of value.
It gets worse. The pollsters then presented the statement that Medicare for All will “threaten the current Medicare program.” While this is a common Republican line of attack, it is an openly deceptive one. Medicare for All proposals would expand and improve coverage for seniors and the disabled under the current program, by expanding the scope of services rendered and eliminating out-of-pocket costs in most cases. [...]Eskow writes: "An important proposal like Medicare for All should be subjected to public debate, so that the public gets a deeper understanding of its ramifications."[...] Despite the survey’s methodological flaws, Leonhardt uses it to conclude that Medicare for All is politically unfeasible. He suggests that Democrats embrace another plan instead: the Center for American Progress proposal (in Leonhardt’s words from an earlier column) “through which any American, regardless of age, could buy health insurance” from the government.
There are serious actuarial problems with this approach, however. As has been seen with Medicare Advantage, the private-insurance option for today’s Medicare, insurance companies are experts at “cherry-picking” healthy enrollees. (As some whistleblower cases demonstrate, they can also be expert at committing fraud.) This would create service problems for enrollees and financial problems for the government. [...]
It’s true that the GOP (and centrist Democrats) will likely present these misleading arguments in much the same way they do. But why should Democrats tailor their platform to voters’ reactions, when those reactions are based on a biased or one-sided set of arguments? An important proposal like Medicare for All should be subjected to public debate, so that the public gets a deeper understanding of its ramifications. That is, after all, why we have elections. [...]
McArdle's analysis, for example, incorrectly assumes (like much of the public, no doubt) that M4A would have the same level of benefits as existing Medicare, but as Eskow notes above (and Sarah Kliff explains, below), the Senate M4A proposal (the proposal on which both the PERI economic analysis and the Mercatus economic analysis were based) would considerably expand and improve coverage, beyond both current Medicare and beyond a good many employer-sponsored plans:
[...] The plan is significantly more generous than the single-payer plans run by America’s peer countries. The Canadian health care system, for example, does not cover vision or dental care, prescription drugs, rehabilitative services, or home health services. Instead, two-thirds of Canadians take out private insurance policies to cover these benefits. The Netherlands has a similar set of benefits (it also excludes dental and vision care), as does Australia. What’s more, the Sanders plan does not subject consumers to any out-of-pocket spending on health aside from prescriptions drugs. This means there would be no charge when you go to the doctor, no copayments when you visit the emergency room. All those services would be covered fully by the universal Medicare plan.And as mentioned earlier, private supplementary plans could still exist under the Senate M4A plan (as long as they don't duplicate M4A coverage), which is certainly something that could be emphasized, during the course of the primary and general election campaigns.The Sanders plan is more generous than the plans Americans currently receive at work too. Most employer-sponsored plans last year had a deductible of more than $1,000. It is more generous than the current Medicare program, which covers Americans over 65 and has seniors pay 20 percent of their doctor visit costs even after they meet their deductibles. Medicare, employer coverage, and these other countries show that nearly every insurance scheme we’re familiar with covers a smaller set of benefits with more out-of-pocket spending on the part of citizens. Private insurance plans often spring up to fill these gaps (in Canada, for example, vision and dental insurance is often sponsored by employers, much like in the United States). [...]
At this point Jill Stein should be in jail for fucking collusion. I'm tired of her shit.
At this point Jill Stein should be in jail for fucking collusion. I'm tired of her shit.
This is absolutely not true. Polling has shown otherwise. Bernie’s base in 16 was not mostly just young leftists. A sizable part of his base were more conservative White Dems who didn’t want Hillary.Sanders supporters would go to Warren. maybe a handful to Tulsi. Biden would be the absolute last stop.
Bu-bu-but Greenwald said she's being unfairly attacked!
Clipping the dates off on the bottom tweets is very bad form: https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/810026680949571584
Indeed. Helio's edited tweet is from 2016.Clipping the dates off on the bottom tweets is very bad form: https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/810026680949571584
Got it from the first reply to the tweet I posted. I went to go look for the response nd couldn’t find it. Guess I now know why!Clipping the dates off on the bottom tweets is very bad form: https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/810026680949571584
The last time that worked was with the first President Bush.He's high because he was Obama's VP. That's really all there is to it. His path to victory is basically pointing to Obama constantly and to convince people he's the same as Obama.
That he supports her says mountains more than her rejection would.Her tweets are her response from another time he tried to praise her, so probably fair to say she’d have a similar reaction to it now.
What a ridiculous thing to say.Jesus christ, can't she bothered to use proper spelling of you're and you. If she ever had my vote (and she didn't) she lost it now.
He supports her because she has a long history of homophobic and racist views.Her tweets are her response from another time he tried to praise her, so probably fair to say she’d have a similar reaction to it now.
Do you think I’m defending her?
TYL what hyperbole is. She didn't have my vote (as I said in the post you're actually quoting) because of a myriad of other reasons, not the least of which is her homophobia.