no brie slander in this thread please
if we're being cynical: she cold be playing the Ben Carson/ Trump role of trying to make money. She may be looking for an advisor role for the next president. Or maybe she's doing what Bernie did last time and trying to push the party left? who knows.You know, part of me has to wonder why Williamson is running and running on what she is. I like that we're having the conversation on reparations, but what gave her the idea to run in the first place?
ADOS hashtag completely unsurprising from the person complaining about "Identity Politics" while swearing that they're totally not the same arguments as the right wingers doing it.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/left This definition is basically in line with my understanding. The socialism/communism/etc. divide is what separates it from the rest of the general left half of the political spectrum.Like I said, I'd love a link to a source so I know this is not just what you think. For example, if someone reading your post didn't know what you meant by leftist, they're likely to Google it. The definition:
https://imgur.com/gxXy6Qa
Nowhere does that say "non-capitalist". Most people I've asked seem to think being to the left and a leftist are the same thing. Maybe a leftist is like an "extreme" version of someone who is just "leaning to the left". But I can't find anything that specially says calling yourself leftist means you're non-capitalist.
I don't think she is part of that movement tbh. I think she's trying to bring attention to the idea that "paying for reparations" is not actually a proposal for what the ADOS people are advocating. I thought for sure you'd agree with this since you're usually very discerning of these things.ADOS hashtag completely unsurprising from the person complaining about "Identity Politics" while swearing that they're totally not the same arguments as the right wingers doing it.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/left This definition is basically in line with my understanding. The socialism/communism/etc. divide is what separates it from the rest of the general left half of the political spectrum.
To sell books.You know, part of me has to wonder why Williamson is running and running on what she is. I like that we're having the conversation on reparations, but what gave her the idea to run in the first place?
and why is that
Actively engaging with the policies a "Spiritual Advisor" running for President is possibly the least productive thing you could ever do.I don't think she is part of that movement tbh. I think she's trying to bring attention to the idea that "paying for reparations" is not actually a proposal. I thought for sure you'd agree with this since you're usually very discerning of these things.
Oh I see. It does seem like a waste of time.Actively engaging with the policies a "Spiritual Advisor" running for President is possibly the least productive thing you could ever do.
I made the comment because of that article that got posted a few days ago by her that I found to be completely terrible and which reeked of social conservatism, which ADOS sadly seems to have turned into.
I think this interview lays out her argument for running and what she's about fairly well. It's pretty long though.You know, part of me has to wonder why Williamson is running and running on what she is. I like that we're having the conversation on reparations, but what gave her the idea to run in the first place?
I mean she an editor for Intercept, so "clown" doesn't seem that far off to me.
Obama didn't have two years of full control, that's a Fox News talking point. Between fighting in court to seat Al Franken, the death of Ted Kennedy, etc. Obama had exactly four months of a super-majority, with people like Joe Lieberman in Congress with the sole power to block anything, since they needed every single Democratic vote.
My fear is that we're going to get a repeat of everything we just did regardless, but have even less to show for it. Is Joe Manchin going to vote for Medicare for All or a Green New Deal? If Obama's only lasting accomplishment is that people with pre-existing conditions can't be denied healthcare, (and the very suggestion of such is now political poison) than, imo, it was all worth it. That one issue is more important to me than pretty much any accomplishment any other president going back to LBJ can claim.
That's just wrong. Leftism doesn't equal socialism. You can be leftist and want socialist programs, but not full blown socialism. By your logic leftist means communist. And then where's the nuance between socialism and communism? You can't be a socialist and a communist which you seem to be implying when you say leftist.ADOS hashtag completely unsurprising from the person complaining about "Identity Politics" while swearing that they're totally not the same arguments as the right wingers doing it.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/left This definition is basically in line with my understanding. The socialism/communism/etc. divide is what separates it from the rest of the general left half of the political spectrum.
Yes, it also means socialist. It's socialist OR communist. Not the "wants social democratic capitalism" kind of socialist, the one that wants a radical change. That's where the divide is between "leftist" and everyone else on the left half of the axis.That's just wrong. Leftism doesn't equal socialism. You can be leftist and want socialist programs, but not full blown socialism. By your logic leftist means communist. And then where's the nuance between socialism and communism? You can't be a socialist and a communist which you seem to be implying when you say leftist.
So if someone said they're a leftist, how do you know if they're a socialist or communist?Yes, it also means socialist. It's socialist OR communist. Not the "wants social democratic capitalism" kind of socialist, the one that wants a radical change. That's where the divide is between "leftist" and everyone else on the left half of the axis.
You ask politely.So if someone said they're a leftist, how do you know if they're a socialist or communist?
That's just wrong. Leftism doesn't equal socialism. You can be leftist and want socialist programs, but not full blown socialism. By your logic leftist means communist. And then where's the nuance between socialism and communism? You can't be a socialist and a communist which you seem to be implying when you say leftist.
Well in our time, communism is typically linked with a totalitarian government.What are you talking about? Of course you can be a socialist and a communist. Socialism is workers' control of the means of production. Communism is a system in which workers' control of the means of production has led to the abolition of the state. Communists are socialists by default.
In Marx's time the terms were literally synonymous.
Well in our time, communism is typically linked with a totalitarian government. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't heard any self-identifying leftists clamor for recently.
When the world's two great propaganda systems agree on some doctrine, it requires some intellectual effort to escape its shackles. One such doctrine is that the society created by Lenin and Trotsky and moulded further by Stalin and his successors has some relation to socialism in some meaningful or historically accurate sense of this concept. In fact, if there is a relation, it is the relation of contradiction.
It is clear enough why both major propaganda systems insist upon this fantasy. Since its origins, the Soviet State has attempted to harness the energies of its own population and oppressed people elsewhere in the service of the men who took advantage of the popular ferment in Russia in 1917 to seize State power. One major ideological weapon employed to this end has been the claim that the State managers are leading their own society and the world towards the socialist ideal; an impossibility, as any socialist — surely any serious Marxist — should have understood at once (many did), and a lie of mammoth proportions as history has revealed since the earliest days of the Bolshevik regime. The taskmasters have attempted to gain legitimacy and support by exploiting the aura of socialist ideals and the respect that is rightly accorded them, to conceal their own ritual practice as they destroyed every vestige of socialism.
As for the world's second major propaganda system, association of socialism with the Soviet Union and its clients serves as a powerful ideological weapon to enforce conformity and obedience to the State capitalist institutions, to ensure that the necessity to rent oneself to the owners and managers of these institutions will be regarded as virtually a natural law, the only alternative to the 'socialist' dungeon.
The Soviet leadership thus portrays itself as socialist to protect its right to wield the club, and Western ideologists adopt the same pretense in order to forestall the threat of a more free and just society. This joint attack on socialism has been highly effective in undermining it in the modern period.
She has metaphysical beliefs that paying reparations will heal a wound in the national consciousness which is a source of racial problems that will continue if not addressed. She makes comparisons with Germany in her reparation talks. Despite her unusual metaphysically sourced ethic her spiritual leadership in the matter appears to reflect a reality on the ground.You know, part of me has to wonder why Williamson is running and running on what she is. I like that we're having the conversation on reparations, but what gave her the idea to run in the first place?
It'll definitely save him money. The field is pretty crowded already. I think a lot of people realize there's no way they can compete.
It'll definitely save him money. The field is pretty crowded already. I think a lot of people realize there's no way they can compete.
She has metaphysical beliefs that paying reparations will heal a wound in the national consciousness which is a source of racial problems that will continue if not addressed. She makes comparisons with Germany in her reparation talks. Despite her unusual metaphysically sourced ethic her spiritual leadership in the matter appears to reflect a reality on the ground.
If she can make other candidates promise as president to do it in the primary then that would be just as good to achieve that goal.
She's been involved in spirituality and politics for awhile.
It's visionary to imagine the start of her second term if she manages to push through 100s of billions of reparation payments in a set amount of years. That it is about to be dealt with for all generations to come. It's amazing to consider. Reparations as its own thing in conjunction with the introduction of Yang's UBI proposals to offset distress in other demos would be nation changing.
I'd be happy with living next door to President Williamson USA. Wish I could donate, register and vote for her. Might buy a button.
I like how you took a tweet that's negative about six candidates and extrapolated it to be just about Sanders.I just left a hipster coffee shop in downtown LA and I overheard some liberal college women talking about how Bernie was "too old".
It was a joke I couldn't resist, and more about the first tweet than the second one.I like how you took a tweet that's negative about six candidates and extrapolated it to be just about Sanders.
On if Hillary should have a role: Her time is done. Stay away.
People under-estimate just how strongly opposed people are to a 79 year old nominee.
You could hand me the perfect candidate but if they were 79? Fuck no. I want someone who isn't likely to die on the job or become mentally unable to fufill the duties of the job to fullest of the next 8 years. And with a 79 man odds are you are either going to die or become mentally incapacitated by the time you hit 86.
Bernie pledges his allegiance to the one true party and the rightful rulers of the seven kingdoms.
Bernie pledges his allegiance to the one true party and the rightful rulers of the seven kingdoms.
Bernie needs to be asked nonstop where his 10 years of taxes are. It's absurd he has been wishy-washy on when releasing them for the past 4 years.
Bernie pledges his allegiance to the one true party and the rightful rulers of the seven kingdoms.
I bet there's a non zero amount of Dem politicians that expected the pledge to be effect in perpetuity and that Bernie already betrayed it by pre-registering as an independent senator.
Also not to put too fine a point on it I want a candidate that understands two factor authentication, although I'm not sure any of the current ones qualify
Bernie pledges his allegiance to the one true party and the rightful rulers of the seven kingdoms.