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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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if we're being cynical: she cold be playing the Ben Carson/ Trump role of trying to make money. She may be looking for an advisor role for the next president. Or maybe she's doing what Bernie did last time and trying to push the party left? who knows.
ADOS hashtag completely unsurprising from the person complaining about "Identity Politics" while swearing that they're totally not the same arguments as the right wingers doing it.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/left This definition is basically in line with my understanding. The socialism/communism/etc. divide is what separates it from the rest of the general left half of the political spectrum.
I don't think she is part of that movement tbh. I think she's trying to bring attention to the idea that "paying for reparations" is not actually a proposal for what the ADOS people are advocating. I thought for sure you'd agree with this since you're usually very discerning of these things.
Actively engaging with the policies a "Spiritual Advisor" running for President is possibly the least productive thing you could ever do.
I made the comment because of that article that got posted a few days ago by her that I found to be completely terrible and which reeked of social conservatism, which ADOS sadly seems to have turned into.
Oh I see. It does seem like a waste of time.
I can't say I know much about ADOS, though.
I think this interview lays out her argument for running and what she's about fairly well. It's pretty long though.
I mean she an editor for Intercept, so "clown" doesn't seem that far off to me.
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While I don't agree with Williamson's assessment in giving a large cash sum to "black leaders," she is pretty much the only candidate that wants to bring forth a substantive dialogue for reparations. That's more than the rest of the candidates.
Point is, candidates need to detail some targeted policies specific to the racial disparities.
Point is, candidates need to detail some targeted policies specific to the racial disparities.
It's true that he didn't have "complete" control but this was entirely of the Democrats own making, because they ignored the left-flank again. Had the filibuster been eliminated, which it was within their power to do from the very beginning of the session, all those long, agonizing months shuffling through various ideas to try and get Joe Lieberman on board wouldn't have had to happen, and neither, frankly, would the stimulus package had to have been handicapped to get Republican votes, but I could go down a long list on this one. The point is, these struggles only happen because the left of the party shouting "just fucking stop compromising, let's rewrite these rules and get some shit done" were ignored in favor of working across the aisle, decorum, traditions, etc. The House actually passed a version of the healthcare bill that was appreciably more left-wing than the one that muddled through the Senate, and had we thrown the filibuster out from the get-go, we could've had that one instead.
Anyway, my point is, if we had infinite time, taking ten years to get a single mild healthcare regulation package passed with nothing else to show for it after following a Republican presidency, might be good enough, but we don't, so it really isn't. You mention the (great) fact that part of the reason what remains of Obamacare is still standing is because getting rid of it is political poison now - exactly so! If we empowered unions, they would fight a proceeding Republican administration from taking that power away. If we gave people free healthcare, they would realize its value after the dust settled and fight a Republican administration that tried to take it away. If you gave people higher wages, they couldn't just take them back. If you started pumping trillions of dollars into massive infrastructure projects from end-to-end of the country paid for by taxing rich assholes, Republicans couldn't easily just come in and put an end to it. Obamacare was a terrible compromise in the end but it did cover millions more people and protect even more, and people realize they like that, and Republicans have as much trouble taking it away as they do with Medicare and Social Security.
With bold left-wing policy, with the intent on forcing through big changes that materially benefit people's lives, you will engage people in politics and successfully defend those things when Republicans try to roll them back. The more incremental you are, the less people notice what you're actually doing for them, and the easier it is to erase that progress.
That's just wrong. Leftism doesn't equal socialism. You can be leftist and want socialist programs, but not full blown socialism. By your logic leftist means communist. And then where's the nuance between socialism and communism? You can't be a socialist and a communist which you seem to be implying when you say leftist.
Yes, it also means socialist. It's socialist OR communist. Not the "wants social democratic capitalism" kind of socialist, the one that wants a radical change. That's where the divide is between "leftist" and everyone else on the left half of the axis.
So if someone said they're a leftist, how do you know if they're a socialist or communist?
You ask politely.
And if they like their steaks well done, you ask them politely, yet firmly, to leave.
What are you talking about? Of course you can be a socialist and a communist. Socialism is workers' control of the means of production. Communism is a system in which workers' control of the means of production has led to the abolition of the state. Communists are socialists by default.
In Marx's time the terms were literally synonymous.
Well in our time, communism is typically linked with a totalitarian government.
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That is an incorrect definition caused by the Cold War. The United States wanted to link communism to the USSR to stem the tide of workers' interest in socialism at home, and the USSR promoted itself as socialist on the path to communism to gain legitimacy among its citizens. Neither was correct.
Chomsky describes it well here: https://chomsky.info/1986____/
She has metaphysical beliefs that paying reparations will heal a wound in the national consciousness which is a source of racial problems that will continue if not addressed. She makes comparisons with Germany in her reparation talks. Despite her unusual metaphysically sourced ethic her spiritual leadership in the matter appears to reflect a reality on the ground.
If she can make other candidates promise as president to do it in the primary then that would be just as good to achieve that goal.
She's been involved in spirituality and politics for awhile.
It's visionary to imagine the start of her second term if she manages to push through 100s of billions of reparation payments in a set amount of years. That it is about to be dealt with for all generations to come. It's amazing to consider. Reparations as its own thing in conjunction with the introduction of Yang's UBI proposals to offset distress in other demos would be nation changing.
I'd be happy with living next door to President Williamson USA. Wish I could donate, register and vote for her. Might buy a button.
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It's nice that he's reading the room. Wonder if Biden will do the same.
He was putting in a massive amount of money behind the scenes in 2018 and I think the cost:benefit ratio probably ultimately led him to do this, especially with Beto/Biden/Harris all in the race as not-Bernie options.
I agree in terms of her views - although I'd personally expand them beyond the US. From a karmic view doing something to reverse the amount of vile things the US & most of Western Europe have done to to the World could end up being extremely helpful in healing certain wounds that would otherwise stay open. Can't see this happening thought, France, Spain, UK, US, Portugal, Holland etc haven't really rectified the fucked up things that make up their history. In the end if we were to view things spiritually the World won't be healed until certain people continue to trumped and not repairing the damage done to African Americans, Native Americans, Asians, Africans, Aborigines - the World won't still be at a dis-balance. In the end much of the Wealth is concentrated in the West, and people who serve corporate or state interests control much of the wealth elsewhere. This is one of the reasons I feel the bigger topic about wealth inequality is addressing it at a Global scale and there needs to be a leader that leads this agenda.
Still I think she has no chance to win the democratic primary, hope she is on the debate floor and there I might change my tune
I respect Williamson for pushing the conversation about reparations, but that's about it. That's not a legislative plan, and she knows it, and at this point, I don't think she cares. But whatever.
And she can keep all that spiritual woo bullshit. As an atheist and secular humanist, all of that shit is just plain old creepy to me, and it seems to be the foundation of her political beliefs, which is a bit off-putting to me, personally.
People under-estimate just how strongly opposed people are to a 79 year old nominee.
You could hand me the perfect candidate but if they were 79? Fuck no. I want someone who isn't likely to die on the job or become mentally unable to fufill the duties of the job to fullest of the next 8 years. And with a 79 man odds are you are either going to die or become mentally incapacitated by the time you hit 86.
You could hand me the perfect candidate but if they were 79? Fuck no. I want someone who isn't likely to die on the job or become mentally unable to fufill the duties of the job to fullest of the next 8 years. And with a 79 man odds are you are either going to die or become mentally incapacitated by the time you hit 86.
I like how you took a tweet that's negative about six candidates and extrapolated it to be just about Sanders.
It was a joke I couldn't resist, and more about the first tweet than the second one.
That moderator seemed surprised by some of their opinions. I still hope Biden runs. It would be enlightening to see if he would be able to connect with current democratic primary voters.
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It's a super unpopular opinion to express but to be totally honest my feelings on this subject suffered a sharp left turn when Hillary got pneumonia and collapsed and for like four hours we genuinely didn't know if she was okay.
Basically I don't ever want to have to worry that my candidate might die during the run up to the election because given how stupid the American system is there's a 50% chance we'd throw the whole election away and a 50% chance we'd spend four years being governed by a corpse because some weird Senate rule prevents the VP from taking over.
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Bernie needs to be asked nonstop where his 10 years of taxes are. It's absurd he has been wishy-washy on when releasing them for the past 4 years.
Great news, time to move on.
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It's not that hard to understand. If he's nominated/elected president, he'll remain a Democrat. If he loses the nomination and goes back to the Senate, he'll go back to Independent to represent his constituents in Vermont. The roles are mutually exclusive and his decision will be based on the role that he fills.
5 years is not enough, should be 10. Bernie (and Trump) were already starting to plan to run for President 5 years ago.
Main reason people want Bernies' 10 year rather than 5 year is to see if he took advantage of any tax loopholes on their income and Jane Sanders business dealings from before he considered running for President.
And the fact he refused to release them all throughout the 2016 campaign, him being the only one to refuse other than Trump made a lot of people very suspicious.
About time he bent the knee to the party that brought us such wonderful moments like:
losing the 1972 election
losing the 1980 election
losing the 1984 election
losing the 1988 election
basically winning the 1992 mostly because of Bush.Sr fucking up
losing the 2004 election
and many others!
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