Better than reading David Sirota pieces.Reading comments from bitter Hillary supporters in this thread is hilarious lol
Better than reading David Sirota pieces.Reading comments from bitter Hillary supporters in this thread is hilarious lol
#betomalesWomen want to cuckold with him
Men want to be cuckolded by him
Beto 2020
Democrats did the right thing by embracing civil rights and rejecting the status quo which was basically that both parties until the 60's were implicit white nationalist organizations. In return, though, a lopsided amount of white people shifted to Republicans and got them 20+ years of the presidency, with a brief reprieve from Carter that only happened thanks to Watergate, and was only wrestled away from them when the Democrats deliberately became Republican lite with Clinton.Well your interpretation is not inaccuratd but thats not what I intended. What I meant was that the candidates that the democratic base like enough to nominate havent been that strong on the general, which shows a dissonance.
Kerry, Dukakis, Carter and McGovern got the support of the dem base and they lost in landslides (except for Kerry).
The story of this page is "this, but unironically"
Yeah. Because politics as it's usually done in America cares more about business ethics than human lives. I reject all of that.
I feel likeCan we retitle to the thread to:
2020 Presidential Primary |OT| It's Not About Norms and Ethics In Hiring Practices
Yeah. Because politics as it's usually done in America cares more about business ethics than human lives. I reject all of that
It's okay to attack Beto because of a dumb joke but calling out campaign corruption and lying to the press? Not a real issue apparently.
I notice a lot of people going no big deal at a canadidate not disclosing a hire so this hire could be his attack dog while he makes a pledge to not attack other candidates and trying to cover it up.....
Are the same ones who got angry at CNN for not disclosing questioners jobs.
I would throw Kamala and Beto in the trash over this level of lying, covering up, and corruption. No hesitation.
It doesn't bother you that he made the pledge and then covered it up that he hired Sirota to attack the other candidates to try and break it without getting caught?
I notice a lot of people going no big deal at a canadidate not disclosing a hire so this hire could be his attack dog while he makes a pledge to not attack other candidates and trying to cover it up.....
Are the same ones who got angry at CNN for not disclosing questioners jobs.
I would throw Kamala and Beto in the trash over this level of lying, covering up, and corruption. No hesitation.
I notice a lot of people going no big deal at a canadidate not disclosing a hire so this hire could be his attack dog while he makes a pledge to not attack other candidates and trying to cover it up.....
Are the same ones who got angry at CNN for not disclosing questioners jobs.
I would throw Kamala and Beto in the trash over this level of lying, covering up, and corruption. No hesitation.
But you are okay with a campaign lying to the press about this and covering it up?Its perfectly fine to attack your opponents and this primary should be a bloodbath, imo. I dont think Ive ever expressed anything differently so at the very least my morals are quite firm and solid, the foundations just in a different place than where most people ITT have them.
What the fuck does this have to do with all the sweet tea in Georgia?Yeah. Because politics as it's usually done in America cares more about business ethics than human lives. I reject all of that.
If you think Bernie hiring Sirota makes him less likely to help Palestine you are absolutely free to think that.
Me? It's not a blip on my radar, I'd have to see a lot worse to drop my support of him.
Ya if Sirota was working for the campaign while simultaneously releasing hit pieces that's very bad and more Bernie's fault than Sirotas, though both share blame
The fun thing is this isn't a hypothetical. Bernie lied to the press! He broke a pledge and then tried to cover it up!
What does this mean?
This is only March 2019. Man this primary is hot already. This thread, too. What is it going to be like next February when votes are being cast?
honestly this is all I'm saying, that conflicts of interest are gonna pop up everywhere in campaigns but a lot of them don't rise to the level of "writing widely-read hit pieces against everyone else while the campaign's literally paying you under the table"Ya if Sirota was working for the campaign while simultaneously releasing hit pieces that's very bad and more Bernie's fault than Sirotas, though both share blame
I'm going to let you in on a little secret.
Political parties don't necessarily nominate the person who has the greatest chance of winning the general election.
There's a bigger picture. He was writing articles attacking Bernie's rivals without disclosing he worked for Bernie. He framed himself as a neutral arbitrator when he wasn't and Bernie's campaign allowed him to do it. It shows that Bernie (or someone in his campaign) is willing to be less than ethical if they thinks it will benefit them and they won't get caught. How is that not a huge red flag?And if people continue to push for it Bernie should fire him and apologize publicly or whatever it is people want.
But this is not going to get me to #cancelbernie because my support of him is not based on norms and ethics in hiring practices.
To me this is the kind of politics that doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things. How many people will live or die based on Bernie's hiring of Sirota?
No, this is worse than just having a slant. Everyone has a slant. Not everyone secretly works for a political campaign while covering the race.I think people are just desensitized to your "the sky is falling" rhetoric. It's quite literally like disengaging from the boy who cried wolf.
There are conflicts of interest in literally every campaign this cycle (and every cycle). Was Sirota unethical at times? Sure. As a journalist, he was pretty shitty, imo, but that goes for most MSM journalists, and he's not the first journalist to favor a specific presidential candidate. The idea that most journalists are actually neutral in politics is quite laughable, and this corruption story is not going to get the traction that you think it deserves, I'll tell you that.
But you are okay with a campaign lying to the press about this and covering it up?
That's not an argument I'm making. To defend someone as a wife and not a person first is a horrible take, especially in regard to dismissing sexual assault allegations.Then yes, if that becomes the framing over the actions of Bill himself, I absolutely do think there's sexism involved in that. And my feelings on this go beyond the Clintons. Who are we to say how Hillary, or any wife, should feel or respond to accusations against their husbands? People like to forget that, unless we're talking something on a new level of vile, wives tend to also be victims in these situations. Not just in terms of vows broken, but wives often have an emotional (and religious) incentive to believe their husbands, and that's also completely taken advantage of.
So, yeah, I like to keep my thoughts on what I know Bill should have done, versus what I think Hillary should have done. Because how the heck can I know that?
Besides, it doesn't help that in a lot of these conversations, the implication is pretty naked. Hillary stayed with him...so that must mean Hillary was ok with it...and that must mean Hillary was complicit the whole time. Yeah, gross.
and look how much it did. harris and o'rourke are still polling just fine. You'll just take anything and everything to attack the campaign because you straight up don't like Sanders. I agree that what Sirota did was shady but it is no worse than Debbie Wasserman-Schultz ferverntly backing the Clinton campaign, I'd go so far as to say it's actually much less worse because Sirota isn't the DNC Chair.So Bernie saying they would remain above board and not go negative was a lie. We can all agree on this now. Is anyone willing to deny this?
He hired Sirota MONTHS ago. Kept it secret and lied to press about it. Let him pretend to be a journalist and go scorched earth on Kamala and Beto for the campaign on the campaigns payroll.
It means I see through your lame selective application of your moral and ethical standards. You may as well just delete everything in that post and write, "For the greater good".
That's bernie in a nutshell. a Mistake and Bad politics.It bothers me that he made it in the first place, because it was a mistake and bad politics.
Pretty much. It's insane to keep seeing.Bernie stans will justify anything in furtherance of their cult of personality. His stans are the mirror image of Trump cultists, willingly twisting their already malleable ethical standards to whatever shape the moment demands.
I mean, not really. We're just a few dozen Extremely Online obsessives. In the real world, 12% of adults can not name the sitting vice president.This is only March 2019. Man this primary is hot already. This thread, too. What is it going to be like next February when votes are being cast?
Bernie made a pledge to not attack the other candidates like this and stay positive and above board.I think people are just desensitized to your "the sky is falling" rhetoric. It's quite literally like disengaging from the boy who cried wolf.
There are conflicts of interest in literally every campaign this cycle (and every cycle). Was Sirota unethical at times? Sure. As a journalist, he was pretty shitty, imo, but that goes for most MSM journalists, and he's not the first journalist to favor a specific presidential candidate. The idea that most journalists are actually neutral in politics is quite laughable, and this corruption story is not going to get the traction that you think it deserves, I'll tell you that.
The fun thing is this isn't a hypothetical. Bernie lied to the press! He broke a pledge and then tried to cover it up!
It actually happened!
Didn't you hear? He's "desensitized." Great excuse to handwave, eh?Bernie made a pledge to not attack the other candidates like this and stay positive and above board.
He then hired someone to do it for him and then covered it up and lied about it to the press.
I am not sure why you are tying to spin this.
It is for the "greater good". Some people think electing the incrementalist is "for the greater good" and some people think electing the radical is "for the greater good". People have different ideas of what "the greater good is", and make their moral decisions based on that.It means I see through your lame selective application of your moral and ethical standards. You may as well just delete everything in that post and write, "For the greater good".
You can't excuse any unethical behavior with, "Well, yeah, but this doesn't affect Bernard's policies on Palestine." That's a non-sequitur! The Israel-Palestine conflict is deeply important, but what the hell does it have to do with Bernard secretly hiring an "objective" journalist and having him write attack pieces while publicly claiming that we're going to ~~~unite~~~?
That has nothing do with why this article is showing corruption in the campaign. The article isnt "hey Sirota is bad". It's clear you didnt even look at the tweet....come on man.
Dude, this is the kinda shit that gets you fired from jobs. This is not nothing, it's a pretty huge ethical breach on Sirota's part.
I think people are just desensitized to your "the sky is falling" rhetoric. It's quite literally like disengaging from the boy who cried wolf.
There are conflicts of interest in literally every campaign this cycle (and every cycle). Was Sirota unethical at times? Sure. As a journalist, he was pretty shitty, imo, but that goes for most MSM journalist, and he's not the first journalist to favor a specific presidential candidate. The idea that most journalists are actually neutral in politics is quite laughable, and this corruption story is not going to get the traction that you think it deserves, I'll tell you that.
K. Why hide it and have your attack dog claim he's a journalist?Its perfectly fine to attack your opponents and this primary should be a bloodbath, imo. I dont think Ive ever expressed anything differently so at the very least my morals are quite firm and solid, the foundations just in a different place than where most people ITT have them.
Pretty sure that's the story as it standsBut if I'm following this new break correctly...Sirato has a preferential canadidate, and was doing hits on that candidate's competitors...while secretly being on his preferred candidate's payroll?
Bernie made a pledge to not attack the other candidates like this and stay positive and above board.
He then hired someone to do it for him and then covered it up and lied about it to the press.
I am not sure why you are tying to spin this.
But if I'm following this new break correctly...Sirato has a preferential canadidate, and was doing hits on that candidate's competitors...while secretly being on his preferred candidate's payroll?