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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT2 | Warren's college tuition plan includes cancelling college debt
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Its amazing when the candidate who is 1000 years old is the most high energy candidate.
Bernie killed it last night.
Also if ya'll are fine with the establishment going after Bernie, you need to be ok with him going after all these other clowns. Can't have it both ways.
Bernie killed it last night.
Also if ya'll are fine with the establishment going after Bernie, you need to be ok with him going after all these other clowns. Can't have it both ways.
More generalizing, care to point out who this establishment is?
Bernie should go after establishment Democrats. He pledged not to make personal attacks, but he can batter them all day on policy. That's where they are extremely weak anyway, and it will play well with independent voters. People elected Donald Trump because they were looking for an outsider. Bernie Sanders brings that same appeal.
Lol trump turning against Fox is the best possible result
He'd be well on his way to Socialist Palpatine
"I am the Senate"
lets goooooo
It was the reason I thought that he would beat Trump in 2016, neither party apparatus is actually particularly popular being an "outsider" & being challenged from such institutions is actually a net positive.
Still I think articles like this are stirring the pot, perhaps there is such talks at some level, behind closed doors by certain politicians. But I kinda doubt that the DNC and that many party leaders are on board with the idea of tipping the scales, after they saw what happened last time around. It's why I think we are unlikely to see high profile endorsements from the Democratic leadership until around the California primary.
We haven't seen Pete get attacked so it will be interesting to see him in a Fox News town hall setting. I'm still opposed to Dems doing Fox news town halls though as it gives Fox news legitimacy and ratings.
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It's a little late to seriously reverse those things though. If they manage to handle it as well as Bernie did it does a lot to disrupt the narrative Fox wants advanced,
To be fair, the leader of the Democrats openly called Progressives "about 5 people" and attempted to dismiss their entire movement, but then immediately reiterated that she was the real progressive by maintaining the center. Bernie's ideas are not widely popular for politicians because they would be affected by his policies directly as well.
There is a poll where people ranked bernie and warren second and third as the most insider politicians after Biden. It seems people determine insiderness by intensity and length of prominence in a political context. I think social media's nature does frame things in a more pro-adversarial light than the general population too.
But you're still closer to the general population being on social media than watching elite class pundits and editorialists who like to think that means the only changes to the status quo should be bipartisan votes for legislation written by Citigroup
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They risk falling into a trap though. Fox can easily choose the audience and get them to boo everything someone says.
Yeah this single action shows you why a lot of people dont trust Pelosi
Yeah, I don't think it's the best idea for Bernie or another candidate to go on Fox again. They are going to make sure to do their best to bring them down next time, especially after the Bernie town hall. The audience embracing Bernie was a big part of what helped him. They'll see to that not happening again in a repeat performance.
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He and Biden have led every poll by a significant margin. That's not new.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? A man who is blatantly utilizing the Party for his own inflated sense of self is not the Party's favorite? Gee, color me shocked. This is not new either.
But already trying to frame it as "they're out to get us" is Trump level "WITCH HUNT!" paranoia that is only going to further the division within the Democratic party before the race even gets started in earnest.
And if by some miracle he doesn't get the nomination, it'll already have been framed as a con job, as opposed to maybe Democratic voters simply wanting someone else.
The man is too sane and too genuine. It makes those who play a certain act , which is almost everyone in politics, to feel uncomfortable. Also slightly envious and admiring
This expectation from his die-hard supporter is going to cause a massive backlash when he likely loses because 2016 was likely his ceiling, not his floor.
Also, another problem with Emerson beyond the low N
No, she said the DSA-types were about 5 people, not the "progressives". The House Progressive Caucus existed long before AOC/Omar/etc. arrived and is far larger than they are.
Yes, a lot of people deliberately took the quote out of context to justify why they don't like Pelosi because that's what they do. They hate people that stand in their way.
Did you read that New York Times article? Are you saying it's a fabrication? Edit: This is the one im referring to
Pete has the military fetishization to fall back on to get some positive reactions from a stacked crowd, but everyone else will have a tough time.
...so? Why should anyone care that he is using the party?
it's only division if it's from a certain side of the spectrum, you know that
Are you saying that it is perfectly acceptable for the Party establishment to work against Bernie, but calling this out as a fact is dividing the Party? Incredible.
They did their best and failed. Fox news isn't populated by master debaters. If a dem candidate cant go on there and look good then they dont deserve to be in the race.
Now that Bernard is the clear front runner it's time to coalesce around him for the sake of party unity. These Beto and Buttigieg Bros are going to throw the election to Trump!
This assumes that support consolidates behind the anti-bernie candidate as strongly as it did when it was functionally a 2 person race. The forecast can't just be about enthusiasm since his campaign has clearly refined their messaging approach
I still find it hilarious that people think Bernie's messages for the past 40 years were because of ego.
If Biden doesn't run Bernie will be hovering around 40% in the polls. I'd imagine the bulk of Warren supporters would go to him as well and he's surely the second choice for a lot of other voters. We haven't seen his ceiling yet.
The problem is that Bernie has already lost a major chunk of his 2016 support. To win he needs to both win those more conservative voters back over and flip a number of Hillary voters.
I don't think he can do it.
How is it a generalization when I say many? I didn't say most or all. Seems like you're wearing a shoe that fit.
It makes sense that the party doesn't like Bernie since he just uses it when it suits him. Understandable if you're a party loyalist (but if you're not a high ranking official in the party it seems to be a weird sticking point), at the same time I don't think he was being "victimized" for people pointing out facts that even centrists agree with. I'm really confused.
The article doesn't give any indication that this faction that wants to work against Sanders is any bit sizable. The people will side with the candidate they want, and if party leaders don't like it, who cares. They'll be dragged by their constituents.
That's... not why people think he has an inflated sense of ego.
Sanders has spent his entire life fighting for the working man, and has worked since 2015 to change the Democratic Party from within. Yes, he has a big ego, but his record on policy has been remarkably consistent for a very long time.
You don't like his democratic socialist policies, fine. But this is a nonsense criticism.
It's His Time!
It's almost as if what is actually progressive changes over time, and isn't just a brand name. That Caucus has been around since the 90's (thanks, Bernie), but it's not the 90's anymore.
Bernie is my first realistic choice and this is complete bullshit. How can he change the party from within when he isn't even an official member lol
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