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maxx720

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I still remain a bit skeptical of Pete. We're starting to see a bit more chinks in his armor. I although thought it weird that Joe Scarbs was gushing over Pete as well which may be due to Pete having ideas less progressive than many expect. I could be completely wrong but I guess we'll know more when he's on the debate stage.
 

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Oh your bad faith post and personal attacks and antagonizing were meant to be an invitation to have a conversation?

My mistake.

OK then, if you want a conversation maybe you could explain why "daddy Bernie" is fine but "abuela" needs to be brought out to be flogged yet again, despite that Clinton isn't running in 2020. Maybe you can explain why Nina Turner's shielding of a pro - travel ban lackey is fine.

Or did you want to just keep making unsubtle and unsubstantiated jabs about how other posters are racist?
 

Bronx-Man

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Oh your bad faith post and personal attacks and antagonizing were meant to be an invitation to have a conversation?

My mistake.

OK then, if you want a conversation maybe you could explain why "daddy Bernie" is fine but "abuela" needs to be brought out to be flogged yet again, despite that Clinton isn't running in 2020. Maybe you can explain why Nina Turner's shielding of a pro - travel ban lackey is fine.

Or did you want to just keep making unsubtle and unsubstantiated jabs about how other posters are racist?
I have to laugh at you accusing anyone else of posting in bad faith.
 

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Personally, I don't care about a hospital's profit margins

Considering nurses are overworked as is it would be a thing to consider, but it would be offset by making sure people actually get fair wages and work reasonable hours and not "oh Bob Hospital is making less money so it's gonna be a no"
 

Kirblar

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This is not a good look. Baltimore's Mayor is currently on a leave of absence for something similar (though more egregious as it's state funds rather than campaign funds.) It's also the third "self-dealing" thing we've seen in his family, with his stepdaughter's school getting funds from the college that went under, his son being paid 100K to run that foundation before they closed it up (out of like, 500K in funds raised), and now this.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/03/7093...ors-examine-book-scandal-involving-mayor-pugh

Well, Ms. Pugh started to serve on the board of the University of Maryland Medical System in 2001. And there came a time, as she has described it, that she has authored children's books - they're health and nutrition books - animated books, I mean, with illustrations, et cetera - and came a time when she showed the books to one of the board members - not very specific about when that was. And they entered into this agreement - although she's been very clear to say there was no contract - by which the University of Maryland Medical System paid her $100,000 five different times since 2011 to publish 20,000 books at a time.
 

sphagnum

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Wouldn't this be a donation by the candidate to the campaign normally, not a purchase by the campaign? (not a rhetorical question, I don't know the answer to this)

I've got no idea, but the person who brought it up initially (Twitter user Brit) linked to that guy so even she appears to have second thoughts about it.

Edit:ooks like campaigns do in fact often use their money to purchase their own books and the FEC is cool with it so long as they follow certain conditons. www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/when-politicians-buy-their-own-books

"The F.E.C. first addressed the issue of campaign-book-buying in 1995, when Alfonse D'Amato's reëlection committee requested permission to buy copies of "Power, Pasta, and Politics" to distribute as thank-you gifts to donors. In an advisory opinion, the F.E.C. stated that the practice was allowable, so long as the candidate received no royalties for the purchases (D'Amato had suggested donating the royalties to charity, which the F.E.C. approved of), and so long as the books were not resold or given away to people who had not made donations.

Giving supporters a signed copy of a book has since become standard practice among political candidates. Most campaign committees now notify the F.E.C. in advance of book purchases to avoid problems down the line."
 
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What's the hangup here? Ethics or legality?

If it's legality, then it's seemingly okay:

https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/f-e-c-rules-on-politicians-memoirs/

The use of personal memoirs by politicians to grab headlines has become a common occurrence. Now, it's officially legit as well.


In an advisory opinion issued on Friday, the Federal Election Commission said that Senator Scott Brown, Republican of Massachusetts, "may engage in, and use campaign funds to pay for, a variety of activities related to the upcoming publication and promotion" of his book, "Against All Odds," scheduled to be released Tuesday.


Mr. Brown had asked the commission to consider whether it was proper for his official campaign committee to pay for and promote the book. In a ruling that will likely set precedent for other political authors, the commission offered a qualified yes.


The commission said that Brown may use campaign funds to buy copies of the book from the publisher — at fair market value — as long as the royalties from the book sales are donated to charity.
 

sphagnum

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If anything it seems like publishers would love this since they're guaranteed to get all their unmoved merch bought up anyway! Bernie Sanders, creating jobs and greasing the capitalist machine.
 

Kirblar

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That makes sense- campaigns being able to sell the book is a no-brainer, but needing to donate the royalties if purchased directly is a decent solution.
If anything it seems like publishers would love this since they're guaranteed to get all their unmoved merch bought up anyway! Bernie Sanders, creating jobs and greasing the capitalist machine.
Yeah everyone running always has a recent published book.
 

Frozenprince

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It's a nothing thing meant to engender some preconceived notion that the only reason people support Bernie is his "purity" which has been stated again and again and again to be untrue. It's yet another empty, process oriented stab to go "see he's just like the rest" when the answer is yeah, no duh. He's a career politician, of course he acts like a career politician.

That makes sense- campaigns being able to sell the book is a no-brainer, but needing to donate the royalties if purchased directly is a decent solution.

Yeah everyone running always has a recent published book.
A quick google search shows that Harris, Warren, Butegeig, Gabbard, and Booker all have a book released since 2016, Warren, Harris, and Butegeig have one releasing or already released this year as well . (I'm not doing everybody there's 50 candidates)

So yeah, they usually do. It's easy merchandising and a quick way to get the message out.
 

Kirblar

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There's no ethical/moral issues if Bernie donated the money to charity, which he probably did.
Yeah, this is basically a case of "did you remember to turn off the metaphorical stove before we left for vacation?" If it's a problem, it'll blow up, if not it'll be fine. Looking over the returns you go from 2015-6K, 2016-10K (big jump in income) to 2017- 36K which might be it, but I don't even know where to begin at guesstimating book royalties.
 

danm999

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Candidate books are wild. I remember reading part of Romney's that a friend of mine somehow ended up with where Mitt ran through the history of China in 3/4ths of a page.
 

Pekola

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His alabaster skin had the same healthy sheen of the buttermilk pancake batter he was whisking. Each rapid motion of his wrist revealed the powerful corded muscle in his forearm.

"You know how they make buttermilk, don't you?", he asked with a coy smile and a frantic wave of his arms

I squirmed as the breath caught in my throat

"They churn it"

My calves cramped involuntarily

Panties flewed out of the solar system. Beto please stand on top of me.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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It's a nothing thing meant to engender some preconceived notion that the only reason people support Bernie is his "purity" which has been stated again and again and again to be untrue. It's yet another empty, process oriented stab to go "see he's just like the rest" when the answer is yeah, no duh. He's a career politician, of course he acts like a career politician.

All Bernie has to be is the best candidate to fulfil your purity requirements and you're stuck with him. Where else are you going to go? Warren, Tulsi, Oprah's spiritual advisor? As a socialist there aren't many choices to pick from to uphold your ideals.
 

Frozenprince

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All Bernie has to be is the best candidate to fulfil your purity requirements and you're stuck with him. Where else are you going to go? Warren, Tulsi, Oprah's spiritual advisor? As a socialist there aren't many choices to pick from to uphold your ideals.
... Duh?

I don't think this is going to work as a gotcha, when I've said repeatedly I don't trust Bernie Sanders. He's a career politician, I would be a fool to trust him.

I support him because he's the candidate that advocates and gives what I believe ideologically the best chance to flourish. That's it. If he doesn't do what he's promised then we're back to square one regardless. I don't care about his "purity" and the standing of his position, I just know that he's the only candidate that at least is positioning what I believe to be the future.

That's enough.
 

Kendall

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So, i plan on voting for Andrew Yang (assuming he's still in the race when it comes time to vote).

I really hope Joe Biden doesn't run.
 

AztecComplex

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I haven't heard a peep about Beto in weeks, what happened? Did Pete ate his lunch? Where's the hype he inspired last year?!
 
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