He tried his Senate strategy 1:1 and it's not translating to a competitive multiway national race. Some people just left so I would expect changes.
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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT2 | Warren's college tuition plan includes cancelling college debt
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What do you mean by "some people just left"? You mean supporters or from his campaign staff?
Campaign staff, two people just left that had held over from his Senate run.
He should just be running for the Senate.
It's just as valuable than who gets to sit in the big boy chair right now anyway.
It's just as valuable than who gets to sit in the big boy chair right now anyway.
Oh shit. That can't be good can it? Having people jumping off a boat can only mean one thing... or am I reading this entirely wrong?
I would strongly recommend checking the profile/post history.
Well, O'Rourke's campaign appears to be drifting aimlessly, so it was basically confirmation that what it looked like from the outside was also getting similar feedback on the inside.
Yeah, her. I'm not sure how to pronounce or spell her name, but I recgonize it when it's written down. Her and Andrew Yang have my support.
I do not like Booker, Harris, Biden, or Beto. Bernie's alright.
Leave it to Warren to reframe a clear monarchist and supporter of feudalism as a socialist... Warren, true to her beliefs, clearly accepts monarchy as "political reality" and thinks placing an enlightened monarch on the Iron Throne is "breaking the Wheel". Warren shows that as a detailed policy-wonk she is not able to capture the ideology at play and lacks understanding what it takes to change a social system.
Dany is trash. Sansa is where the revolution is at (only it is not a socialist one)
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Just not a big fan of her personality ig? I don't get invigorated like i do when i listen to Bernie or Andrew talk.
O'Rourke's crowds will get bigger after the first debate. Even if he doesn't win or get a running mate slot, he has the potential to gain big brand name awareness, win the next Senate cycle, and potentially turn Texas into a purple state in the future. Like the Ann Richard days.
Oh, I thought you were suggesting that she was temperamental.
I dunno, I find her personality endearing.
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Expect Bernie to fundraise off of this.
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How is President Bernie going to convince her to push his bills through congress?
He's not. She's term limited to be speaker in this congress.
You make it sound like he won't be working with a Democratic Speaker in her mould, or worse. It's doubtful the left will get a Bernie friendly Speaker elected within 4 years, and this is ignoring the senate. I don't think Schumer's going anywhere.
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I actually think it's quite likely that a Bernie downticket will look different than a Biden downticket, which could affect who the house ends up electing, so we'll just have to see.
As for the Senate, the budget reconciliation strategy is a viable option for passing M4A with a simple majority and if we controlled the congress there is nothing the republicans could do to stop it. It can't work for everything, but it can work for M4A.
There may be differences here and there, but they still will be working the same pool of candidates running. The mid-terms showed that the establishment held an advantage over Bernie's wing, things would have to be considerably shifted for this not to be the case. Other obstacles is that the leadership slots works on hierarchy as much as voting, and it remains to be seen for the new freshman to be able to penetrate leadership and even than it would take years of going up the ladder to get to Speaker or Majority Leader positions were this to work out. Meanwhile the other sections of the party have all this on lockdown, rather than starting from scratch. This will be a massive brick wall to what President Sanders wants to get done, and he's not getting any younger.
Is Schumer on board with M4A?
I think Bernie being the presumptive nominee of the party would go a long way in getting 'Berniecrats' voted on the downballot and there would obviously be significant implications for them changing the make-up of the congress.
He's dodgy, but says that he'll support a plan that can pass. If a dem congress is confident that the legislation can pass, I don't see much getting in the way of that happening. Most of the opponents don't oppose it because of ideology, but because of pragmatism.
Which would be a first. I don't think the tremendous disadvantages the Berniecrats (love the name) have will go away simply because he's the nominee. 4 years from now, maybe, but not by '20.
Those key words Bernie has little control over and whose shape will determine how he passes bills through congress.
I find the left's... apathy(?) to Warren this year really baffling. All of 2016 I heard lots of "I'm totally not sexist. If Warren ran I'd be on her side in a second" type quotes. I mostly believed it. Then she runs.... and its crickets as far as I can tell. Listening to this 538 podcast, they're tiptoeing so hard (except for the one woman, and even she feels obligated to say "I think some people don't like OLDER women") around just calling it outright sexism.
Like I was so wrong about what people wanted in 2016, I'm staying out of investing in anyone this year during the primary. I'll let the 22 year olds tell me what they want. But I'm still struggling to understand if the party has a big sexism problem, or if people just love Bernie, or if people were really offended by the Native American stuff, or what.
Like I was so wrong about what people wanted in 2016, I'm staying out of investing in anyone this year during the primary. I'll let the 22 year olds tell me what they want. But I'm still struggling to understand if the party has a big sexism problem, or if people just love Bernie, or if people were really offended by the Native American stuff, or what.
Not sure why you're surprised, she was always the non-Bernie Bernie, if he wasn't running people would care. Since he is, people don't.
As the poster above me pointed out, Bernie's candidacy really splits her base. But also...
Everyone here likes Warren. They just don't think she's viable for a variety of reasons. The DNA test thing was a decent-sized PR hit, and the media's reticence toward her is concerning. In my own anecdotal experience, every friend or family member I've told about my support of Warren either kind of rolls their eyes or is outright disgusted. The are all Democrats, but they support more moderate candidates like Beto (in the case of my friends) or Biden (in the case of my family). Progressives just aren't the majority of the left, in my experience.
I guess the argument here is that a lot would've had to change in order for Bernie to be the nominee in the first place; however he managed to galvanize the electorate to nominate him, he could probably use a similar strategy to get the Berniecrats elected.
Right, but pragmatists aren't inherently opposed to Bernie's proposals. If they seem viable, they'll vote for them.
Warren is awesome and my 2nd choice for a 2020 candidate but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about her performance in the GE.
Bernie has a bigger hill to climb in this as he remains an outsider to the establishment, and would be doing more experimenting the following standard ideas for how to that, as well the fact that his politicians will be starting off at a less powerful position within the party in the primaries. He has a lot more to get right to someone like Kamala Harris or Beto, and he can't afford a misstep as his goals require more influence in congress to get his proposals though than the others. He has no mentors to look back with this, he'd be doing this as a pioneer and this would mean he's going to spending more time in the dark to find the right methods.
They're further handicapped by the Democrats who made restrictions on vendors who threatened primarying Democrats, as well. That's a disadvantage they didn't have in the mid-terms.
If they seem viable. Bernie's not known for that sort of political calculation, he does political theatre and amendments, this is Warren's wheelhouse. She has a better history of doing this than he does.
Agreed. Sad to see her fading.
We agree here, which is why his nomination would be pretty significant if he's able to secure it (not all that likely seeing as the establishment doesn't want him).
Legislation that can pass with a simple majority + budget reconciliation + plus a loyal VP will be seen as a viable strategy to pragmatists and Bernie has already said that it is what he plans to do.
Yikes.
"I'm all for women, just not this woman."
Lots of misogyny.
I'm sure that's part of it, but Bernie really is the media darling right now. He's the big name and people are excited for his run. Warren really hurt herself with that DNA test and right now she's just not as popular as Bernie.
If things turn around for her she'd definitely be the nominee to beat.
The one things about Warren taking the nom is that Trump won't be able to resist calling her Pocahontas over and over again, even on stage during a debate, and I think that will actually work in her favor. It will make Trump look completely childish to all except the MAGAHeads. Essentially Trump will kill that issue for her.
That's assuming Trump even bothers to debate though.
That's assuming Trump even bothers to debate though.
Interesting that you support the only two Dem candidates who openly push racist policies.
Lots of people here that don't like Bernie don't have Warren (or a woman) as their #1 either.
She's not limited to this Congress, the deal she agreed to would keep her Speaker (assuming Dems retain control in 2020) until 2022.
Kamala Harris is my choice at present, and before that she was my second to Beto. Warren is liked by mostly everyone here, progressive and liberal alike.
Yeah I don't get why the Beto and Pete supporters aren't getting behind Warren or Harris. Very suspect.
Every time I see a Bernie supporter post their rankings, Warren is #2
Even so, Pelosi wouldn't go against the majority of the house just to be petty.
It's definitely misogyny causing the Bernie supporters to continue supporting Bernie, the candidate they have been consistent in supporting for years, but definitely not misogynistic for the people who dislike Bernie to jump straight to the two white men in the race over the women.
Bit insecure, are we?
I didn't mention Sanders specifically. I was just making the vey reasonable point that an unfortunate amount of people will gladly take any excuse not to vote for a woman. Yes, that can also be to vote for a male candidate other than Sanders.
You were responding to a post about "the left" that mentioned people who "love Bernie". I know exactly who you were referring to.
I wonder if Warren would be the front runner right now if she were the progressive challenger in 2016. that would have taken Bernie out of the picture because he wouldn't have run if she did leaving all that support for her and she seems to do better with moderate dems than Bernie
People who loved Bernie in 2016. You may remember that he was the only alternative to a female candidate back then. That doesn't mean they haven't jumped ship to Biden, Beto or Pete this time around.
You seem to deliberately take my point as a personal affront when it wasn't meant as one.
Warren college plan, cancel student debt
Oh so you do think it's Bernie supporters, but only the ones who either still support him, or used to but have flipped to another male candidate?
He's done 50+ town halls across several states. He's live streamed nearly all of them on his FB. He just hasn't appeared on MSM.
I have never said or claimed it was the entirety of Bernie's supporters. I said there are misogynists who use the "not this woman" excuse to vote for a man. And yes, I think those will have voted for Bernie in 2016, because he kind of was the only man in that race... This isn't very hard to grasp.
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