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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT2 | Warren's college tuition plan includes cancelling college debt
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It's because he doesn't have a problem with the party itself he has a problem with who has been running it.
Oh, I'm well aware that he would have no chance as an independent. Honestly, I do wish we could advance to a much more inclusive political system where we had ~4 national parties, so we wouldn't have this problem.
But Bernie is an independent. Who ran for the Democratic nomination because he had no chance to become President otherwise. Refused to acknowledge himself as a Democrat after he lost the nomination and ran his Senate re-election as an Independent. Is running for the Democratic nomination again, but then filed his 2024 Senate re-election campaign as an independent.
So that's my question. He's already hedging a loss by filing as an Independent for another Senate run. So on what level, does it make sense to be upset at the Democratic leadership for being concerned about someone who's party allegiance is dictated by the campaign he's running?
Bernie can simplify this and say he's a leftist Democrat or whatever, as Mercury Fred said. If he wants to change the Democratic party, by all means. But don't be upset people have to actually check what party he technically claims he is apart of, when he himself obfuscates it.
There is no difference, aside from the groups that perpetuate them. Sourpatch vocal minorities in liberal and leftist circles.
Majority of the party certainly doesn't give a shit about these squabbles.
Anyone who's been "canceling" Pete 5 times per page gonna bother responding to this post?
You should genuinely not care at all about whether or not Bernie is a "real Democrat" unless you're some sort of life-long Democratic Party insider who's entire livelihood depends on the continued existence of the present management of the Democratic Party. It's such a bizarre thing to care about that literally does nothing to make people's lives better at all and no average person cares.
respond to what? he didn't source anything and it reads extremely biased
There's nothing in that post that would assuage people's concerns about those issues.
tHe PaRtY1 sOmEbOdY pLeAsE tHiNk Of ThE pArTy!1
We're basically at the "Hm, you say you think the political system is broken, yet you participate in it. Interesting. I am very smart" stage
We're basically at the "Hm, you say you think the political system is broken, yet you participate in it. Interesting. I am very smart" stage
No no, didn't you know... The D in front of the name is what makes people's lives better. It's not policy or anything that materially improves the wellbeing of citizens.
I'm a registered Democrat, but I don't give a FUCK about that label. Anyone who thinks that's what is important and not policy or moral values is a rube. I'll be following my values, wherever and whatever viable political party represents them.
I'd personally vote for a glass of water if it had a D next to its... name? Hm, my metaphor is a little iffy
Everyone deserves representation, even if it's only 5 people.
Power couple. I ship them
Honey, you KNOW I'd do anything for the D
This is really great. It's somewhat foreign-feeling to have a second choice in Warren who's so incredible rather than just the usual grin-and-bear-it fallback second choice.
I need to give some money to her campaign, I've donated to Bernie, it would be great if I could have the choice between the two of them when the time comes that we are down to a top two.
The debates are going to be great
I hope Warren strips the paint off some of these people
I read that as strip the pants and I was like "well I for one don't hope that happens"
It reads extremely biased to acknowledge the flaws in his approach but clear up blatant misinformation that people in this thread haven't been questioning? Anyway, here are some good articles on the home initiative that are fairly critical but offer a nuanced take overall: 1, 2
The police tape thing is more complicated than I could explain in one post, and I was mostly addressing the false claim that Pete is the one who tried to cover up the scandal by reporting the chief to the FBI which is just a blatant lie, and I was also offering Pete's reasoning for why he's been unwilling to listen to the tapes or release them without a court order. I don't claim to understand everything about it myself, but this article from CNN seems well-researched.
Hopefully we get some good matchups and the shitty candidates like Gabbard and Booker are all in one debate. If it was me I'd love one debate stage be Biden, Bernie, Warren, Kamala, Beto, and Pete.
Well, technically he isn't a Democrat at all. He caucuses with them and supports like 90% of traditional Democratic goals, but he isn't a registered Democrat for a reason.
Warren strikes me as too nice to go super hard at another Democrat.
By "strip the paint off" I mean dismantle bad or flimsy policy. I'm not suggesting she call their kids ugly
I want the debates to be as savage as possible. I want to see mollywhoppings and sore ass cheeks by the time things are done. Thin the herd.
they're gonna split warren and bernie for the debates so they don't tag team some of these candidates into the ether
I don't know. I just think it'll be a race to promise the most. Warren is the only candidate who I think can fundamentally back up her policies.
Beto, Biden, Amy and Kamala will be seen as too pragmatic, and get shamed like Clinton did, despite generally being aligned in regards to the policies. It's the "Something About Mary" quote in her book, all over again.
I hope I'm wrong.
Another well-researched piece on Pete's home demolition initiative, including why the issue of urban blight is such a problem in the industrial midwest (which disproportionately affects minorities just like gentrification does in booming coastal cities). This one is more of a rebuttal to the criticisms he's faced.
I haven't seen any personal insults. Just general establishment vs revolutionists shit.
Sad. I suppose you were one of the ones that fell for the disingenuous right wing anti semitism attacks on Omar.
If you give AOC the benefit of the doubt on her gaffs you sure as shit should with Ilhan. Otherwise, I might be a little suspicious of what kind of views you have of black Muslims. Might want to examine those unconscious biases.
I am really liking when Beto directly confronts these issues. This makes him feel like much less of a political coward than some of the other candidates. If you care about progressive policies, you have to be willing to piss some people off with inconvenient truths.
I mean.. this is really lazy bad writing. And seeing as recent polls have revealed that Bernie's base is about half racial minorities. it's really gross erasure, and deeply stupid in its lack of understanding.
When the vast majority of the media are happy to parrot the right wing narrative re: Omar; I have a hard time blaming the average liberal from saying they share that view. I think it's on us to simply ask them to explain why they have a lower opinion of Omar, cuz most probably haven't actually thought much about it.
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