The only way Bernie will lose is if he goes to the center or the Democratic establishment screws him over.
It's either Bernie or bust.
It's either Bernie or bust.
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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT2 | Warren's college tuition plan includes cancelling college debt
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True. A shower door attacked Sanders with more vigor than Hillary. He still lost, and is the frontrunner. Yikes
Considering the Dem establishment was in on Chillary the whole time it's not surprising he lost.
It's amazing how the possibility of Bernie not being a great candidate in the context of the national Democratic electorate is just a non-possibility.
Wow so many choices.
lol
I do wonder what would have happened if she'd taken the gloves off around him...
... and chosen Warren over Kaine and campaigned in the swing states she slept on
Bernie is going to win by bringing in former non-voters who saw nothing to believe in the party before him.
The only people who oppose Bernie are Republicans.
cool it theresa may you're making us look bad over here
I know a ton of democrats who oppose Bernie...the idea that he isn't liked by only the right is preposterous.
Bernie loses his shit whenever he's challenged on an issue. He either tries to evade or gets angry and snide and it's going to look horrible on the national stage. I see him severely underperforming when it actually comes time to vote.
Ah, bringing in enough non-Democrats to outvote the Democrats in the Democratic primary, then shunning the nonbelievers out to the GOP. An incredibly sound strategy. (D:I ratio was 2:1 in 2016, for those not understanding the sarcasm.)
i also remember how horrible he looked in that fox news townhall that consisted of nonstop challenging
yeah. for the next couple of weeks he may go down a couple points, especially after biden announces unfortunately
Democrats can be right wing you know. I can understand why people like Warren since she's proposing substantial left wing policy, but Bernie seems to tie together a big number of grievances people have with the Democratic Party.
He evaded giving answers to some questions and basically told the hosts they were lucky he even graced them with his presence. He performed horribly at the CNN town hall just a couple of nights ago and he also did badly today at the she the people convention.
He'd have played the conspiracy angle even harder. He's already priming it now. Kinda inevitable though. People outside the ERA/Twitter bubble don't care nearly enough for Barnie, and as soon as he starts losing they're gonna go hard on "DNC establisment screwing Bernie. IT WAS HIS TURN"
Ahh, the Theresa May special
So everyone who didn't vote for him in the'16 primaries and all of the D voters who won't vote for him in the 2020 primaries are Republicans?
the real question here is, are you aware that the things you're saying don't represent anything close to what most people feel or do you earnestly believe anything you're saying here is consistent with most people's sensibilities
bernie killed it at that town hall. he's only been seriously flopping just recently
all the more reason for bernie to murder Biden on the debate stage
i was joking. that town hall was received virtually universally well. im saying obviously sanders doesn't usually look bad under attack, especially when he can play to the crowd.
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Wow, wait to just shit on all the PoC who don't vote for him, but you do you
Are you aware that you think Bernie represents the majority in the democratic party and will win, yet struggles to reach 20% in polling after being a well known 2016 candidate and household name?
The problem that he's consistently run into (showcased today) is that when he can't play into a friendly crowd he runs into major issues.
cool that you think i think bernie is the favorite of the majority of the party.
The former vice president, who is almost uniformly beloved by democrats outside of videogame forums' offtopic section is only polling at 29% on average in an incredibly crowded field. Maybe there are stronger arguments for you than Sanders being 6 points behind him?
i mostly agree. dude kinda needs his cheers.
The "correct" answer to the "how will you win over ______", which Sanders did not do, is to speak about issues and solutions uniquely specific to that group that your hypothetical future administration plans to address to get across to the audience that you have listened to them.
I'm being generic because this is politics 101 and why it's a really, really bad look to be just saying "oh we'll have representation in the staff." It's like, if JEB! went to the NRA and was asked "how are you going to help us" and talked about repealing Obamacare... it probably wouldn't go over very well either.
I'm being generic because this is politics 101 and why it's a really, really bad look to be just saying "oh we'll have representation in the staff." It's like, if JEB! went to the NRA and was asked "how are you going to help us" and talked about repealing Obamacare... it probably wouldn't go over very well either.
This is a BS talking point. Of course he is going to have less support out of the gate when there is a huge playing field with a diverse set of ideas right now. Support is going to funnel one way or another when the herd thins. I think it's incredibly pompous for anyone to think they have any idea which way it is going to go in the end.
Bernie was a literal nobody Senator and was a total surprise in 2016. I think there are likely to be MANY surprises in this 2020 election cycle.
We should all stop acting like console war fanboys about the Democratic primaries and focus on policy differences between the candidates rather than weird snipes and pointless speculation about who's got the highest percent of supporters right now.
This thread seems to be getting increasingly petty. In the larger scheme, we're all on the same team aren't we?
I never said that. You made the accusation that the things I'm saying are not the way most people feel , which I never claimed, and is also a ridiculous claim to make because you have no way of knowing how everyone feels.
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I think Beto has won this. He's got a tactful answer for everything and he came off a lot better than the other candidates at the "She the People" forum.
its actually pretty easy to find out what most people don't feel. You'd have to be almost embarrassingly out of tune with current discourse to think Sanders has been perceived as doing poorly in recent town halls, with the obvious exception of the one held today. Just be at least a little weary in the future about how your feelings about a candidate might color your perception about their performance. God knows i have to do that with o'rourke all the time
Is there a stream or highlights? I'd love to see Beto performing well.
Polling is informative, but it isn't predictive at this point. Data Nate and G. Elliot are putting out a lot of good stuff on what the numbers actually mean and what you can take away from them. It's not a horse race when 70%+ of people aren't settled on a candidate. No one can win the nomination with 20-30% of the vote.
Agreed. I heard him on CNN this morning and gift he had the worst takes all the time.
I don't see how you can think Bernie did well at either the CNN town hall or the She the People event today. I go in with an open mind to these events, which is why I can say people like Warren, Kamala, Pete, Beto, etc do well when they do. Bernie consistently does poorly when challenged on issues or when asked to expand his thoughts on things not having to do with the wealth disparity of normal people vs. the billionaire class.
You're arguing with a poster who genuinely thinks that Bernie Sanders would have beaten Ted Cruz in the 2018 TX Senate race, unlike a certain other Democrat.
I don't see how you can read my post and think I said he did well in the she the people event, when I explicitly state I think he didn't do well in that. Come on, dude.
I'm glad you're trying to be objective in how you assess a candidate's performance. Let me know when your takes bear out in the polls.
I have never, ever seen a Democrat who is as consistently bad at reading the room as Biden.
Meghan McCain's endorsement can only hurt him. Democrats don't like her because she's awful, and Republicans don't like her because she's not awful enough. Cindy McCain's endorsement might be better for him, but it's not going to sway any conservatives if Trump's attacks on John McCain didn't.
Huh? Dog whistle to what? What are you equivocating about? The fact that liberals and leftists would benefit from any one of the Democratic candidates being in office over Trump? I don't think that's an even slightly controversial statement.
You originally responded to this
So, come on dude.
It's like how every movie discusses devolves to talking about TLJ.
That should be a question at the debate/townhall:
"What are your thoughts on The Last Jedi?"
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