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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT2 | Warren's college tuition plan includes cancelling college debt
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literally in the post you were responding to, i said "You'd have to be almost embarrassingly out of tune with current discourse to think Sanders has been perceived as doing poorly in recent town halls, with the obvious exception of the one held today. "
are you really trying to say there was fair cause for uncertainty about my opinion of Sander's performance today?
you're really not helping the case that you're a rational observer of all this
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This would form a black hole of ideas that would make discourse all but impossible until the end of humanity.
I don't even know what point you are trying to make because you are contradicting yourself saying he did badly, but then saying I'm out of tune when I said he did badly, so I'm done with this conversation.
People care more about being "right" and beating whatever minor factions of the party they don't like into submission than kicking out the fascists
I don't get how anyone has the energy for this shit after the past two years.
I don't either. Sure Bernie and Warren are my first and second choices but I'd pretty happy for anybody that's in the Democratic primary to be president and not Donald Trump.
my favorite thing about forum arguments is when a dude tries to pretend he's unaware of what your position is on something to avoid confronting it. if its somehow even mildly unclear to you, I think Sanders has been killing it at town halls, again, with the exception of the 'she the people' event today, which he performed poorly in.
we both know you already knew that though.
I'm gravitating towards Bernie because I think we need to try something different and I think, just going with my gut people will find him to be the most authentic or offer the most "change" which I think we'll need in swing states
But if I saw someone else start sweeping people up in their momentum I'd totally be down with them too. I'm just not seeing that from anyone which is the problem.
All of this arguing though is mostly irrelevant because the senate map is fucked and I don't know if it matters what policy or platform whoever wins runs on in terms of what they'll actually do. Even in the best case scenario, we wind up with 50 seats and a trifecta we could nominate zombie Karl Marx it would be unlikely that we get a Klobuchar tier agenda done
Did they commission this from the same artist who drew all those Russian Facebook memes? Looks like the same art style lol
I need to go back and read more old supreme court arguments, haha.
At least this position is better than Buttigieg's.
He's gotta remind the youths that it's not just Beto that can cramp those calves.
Wake me up when we get back to discussing what really matters, polling numbers.
RE: this article https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ys-he-doubts-sanders-can-win-general-election
Taking what Pete said about coalition forming, I think Sanders would probably have a harder time securing a coalition to get out of the primary than the general.
I am going to say though, that, applying this to the primary, they could both be right here. Sanders could struggle to form a coalition, and Sanders could still win the primary regardless.
Pulling from an article from 538 recently: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-can-win-but-he-isnt-polling-like-a-favorite/
From the Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ders-thinking-he-will-win-it-all-2020/587326/
Essentially, there's a real possibility that Sanders could struggle putting together a coalition, and in a divided field with lots of candidates, his goal may simply be trying to get enough to put him into contest at the convention.
I've thought for some time now that Sanders' best chance is to win the same way Trump did - solidify a loyal base who will stick with him through thick and thin, and rack up delegates while everyone else splits the vote around them. The problem is that the Dems do proportional instead of winner-take-all allocation, so it would end up being a drawn out fight that leads to a contested convention if enough candidates remain in the race after Super Tuesday so that no one person becomes the anti-Sanders.
Absolutely. I wanted to bring it up because I saw the talk about coalition-forming with specific reference to Sanders, but this could be the case for many/all of the candidates right now.
Not only is not winner take all, but if I recall correctly pledged delegates mostly stay with the candidate if my memory serves me of how DNC rules are formed state to state. That means you have other candidates essentially decide the election based on who they endorse if they don't have enough to cross the finish line themselves. In other words, it could get really messy.
Wake me up when we get back to discussing what really matters, polling numbers.
RE: this article https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ys-he-doubts-sanders-can-win-general-election
Taking what Pete said about coalition forming, I think Sanders would probably have a harder time securing a coalition to get out of the primary than the general.
I am going to say though, that, applying this to the primary, they could both be right here. Sanders could struggle to form a coalition, and Sanders could still win the primary regardless.
Pulling from an article from 538 recently: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-can-win-but-he-isnt-polling-like-a-favorite/
From the Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ders-thinking-he-will-win-it-all-2020/587326/
Essentially, there's a real possibility that Sanders could struggle putting together a coalition, and in a divided field with lots of candidates, his goal may simply be trying to get enough to put him into contest at the convention.
Imagine if Sanders said what Pete said about any of the candidates right now. He'd be accused of dividing the party. I don't think it's good for these kinds of talking points to be coming directly from Pete because it puts unnecessary tension between Bernie's supporters and himself. And make no mistake about it, he's effectively calling Bernie unelectable and is a direct attack against him. When Bernie defends himself, watch how everyone will suddenly care about the party being divided.
As for Bernie's electability, this is more compelling data than Pete's personal opinion:
https://tulchinresearch.com/wp-cont...Industrial-Battleground-States-4-19-final.pdf
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And here's an example of the messaging used to simulate the perception of the candidates in a general election:
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I mean, if Bernie only gets a plurality of delegates and they give the nomination to someone else, trump is getting another term.
A video from She The People, with 8 candidates answering questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZXHj8ApPVY
Starting times:
Cory Booker: around 16m.
Julián Castro: around 32m.
Tulsi Gabbard: around 49m.
Kamala Harris: around 1h18m.
Amy Klobuchar: around 1h39m.
Beto O'Rourke: around 1h58m.
Bernie Sanders: around 2h15m.
Elizabeth Warren: around 2h35m.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZXHj8ApPVY
Starting times:
Cory Booker: around 16m.
Julián Castro: around 32m.
Tulsi Gabbard: around 49m.
Kamala Harris: around 1h18m.
Amy Klobuchar: around 1h39m.
Beto O'Rourke: around 1h58m.
Bernie Sanders: around 2h15m.
Elizabeth Warren: around 2h35m.
and people say bernie is the democrat most similar to trump
Why am I not surprised that Bernie did much better in that forum than what people on the internet were suggesting. Lots of vocal support in the audience.
Had to put it in a tweet to see, and yep it sounds exactly like something Trump would say lol
Had to put it in a tweet to see, and yep it sounds exactly like something Trump would say lol
I honestly thought it was joke tweet swapping Trump with Biden at first.
62 More days until the debates start! June 26/27th MARK YA CALENDARS
He did fine. He just did a poor job of directly answering one of the questions.
Wow lol
Had to put it in a tweet to see, and yep it sounds exactly like something Trump would say lol
Imagining Emmanuel Macron or Shinzo Abe or Scott Morrison telling Joe please save us from the nasty orange one
Those audience questions were getting a vocal something, but it wasn't support. Lmao.
I don't think he did that bad, but that definitely wasn't lots of vocal support.
Watch him do a GOT font tweet tomorrow, too.
Holy... Sanders completely shit the bed today. Why can't he engage better around race and gender??
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