2020 Presidential Democratic Primary Debates 1+2 |OT| June 26-27, 2019

Maple

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There's at least one clip of him raising his hand and talking but you don't hear him at all.

I would say it's true that they cut his mic, as it never cut out on him when they did give him a chance to speak. But whatever they did to limit him did not limit others, especially those who should have been limited, like Williamson.
And Gillebrand. I think even one time she interjected with "It's my turn now".
 

LGHT_TRSN

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's something about singling out the only black woman prosecutor in the running with the attack "SHES A COP!" that's just....really off putting, especially if it's coming from white men.
 

Tamanon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kamala being a cop is a super positive thing in the general election. She just needs to make it there.

Also, cop vs criminal as an underlying theme of the election would work for this season.
 

Trice

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I love Bernie but he really needs to mix it up once in a while. Even though he's right on most things his broken record optics will work against him long term.
He's been saying the same shit for years. It does kinda get old but it doesn't matter since he's on point. The fact that there's been such a shift from 2016 to today policy-wise is a testament to his credibility and determination.

I think he thrives more in a smaller compact debate with more speech time, not this clusterfuck.
 

chirt

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Oct 25, 2017
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He's been saying the same shit for years. It does kinda get old but it doesn't matter since he's on point. The fact that there's been such a shift from 2016 to today policy-wise is a testament to his credibility and determination.

I think he thrives more in a smaller compact debate with more speech time, not this clusterfuck.
Yea agreed. He's still #1 for me based on policy alone, he just didn't make a great case for himself last night.
Luckily he'll be around when the stage gets a bit smaller where he'll do much better.
 
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I can’t take anyone who says Harris was not the clear winner of Yesterday’s debate seriously

She ran circles around everyone. It wasn’t even close.
 

Bliman

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To me Sanders is looking like his time has passed. I thought he could be good for another go at this. But other posters were right. He is better at the background now driving the party on the right (you get what I mean) path. But he sounds like a parrot always saying the same things. Time after time. This doesn't have any impact anymore, it sounds boring and a one-line trick. Because almost all other candidates have taken his points.
Warren is good on substance but she has no chance in fighting with Trump and she is not a good speaker or inspirational. She cannot effectively attack him. She has no teeth.
Biden must stop now. If he continues then I fear that the polls stay the same and he gets nominated. He should have the self-knowledge that he cannot beat Trump. He has no plus points in my eyes. And he is sabotaging the Democrats atm.
Castro had a great night. But I think he wouldn't get chosen by the public. He seems to be a little lightweight.
Harris had a great night. And would destroy Trump in debates. So this could be a big plus point. But to forge her in the fire she should be tested as soon as possible about her record. And see how this will have an impact on voters. This should be crucial to find out as soon as possible. She also does come over a little like a lawyer. She has to finetune that a bit more. But she has promise.
Pete Buttigieg is a dark horse. He is the candidate that has the most promise to me. He is someone that can join the left and right of the party without much damage. But he needs to put out the fire at his place very quickly. For the rest I see many plus points. He is smart, he says the right stuff, he looks to be in command and already looks presidential. Trump would also have very little to attack him on.
 

Exellus

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'm just glad Biden had a shit night.

More of that, please. There's about 8 other candidates who would be better.
 

riverfr0zen

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Yeah, I don't see why people think Warren isn't an effective speaker/communicator or couldn't hold her own with Trump. I think it's just vestiges of the Pocahontas episode. If you've seen her recently, you'd see she is pretty damn good.

I think a ticket with Warren/Harris would be very strong, and a resounding fuck you to chauvinist establishment types.
 

Exellus

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He didn't have to do shit after he dropped out and yet he stumped for Hillary and ~90% of his voters went to her in the general. Never in the 20 years I've been voting have I ever seen someone have to be on "healing duty" after conceding a primary, and yet not only did he do that to 90% efficacy, it's "not enough" to people like you. Seriously, let's just see how many of the 20 candidates we've met over the last two night you hold to this absolute bullshit standard a year and a half from now.
Preach.
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I don't see why people think Warren isn't an effective speaker/communicator or couldn't hold her own with Trump. I think it's just vestiges of the Pocahontas episode. If you've seen her recently, you'd see she is pretty damn good.

I think a ticket with Warren/Harris would be very strong, and a resounding fuck you to chauvinist establishment types.
I feel as though people see that she's an older bookish sort of woman and just assume she must be boring or uncharismatic like they thought Hillary was. They have a mental image that doesn't line up with reality, and yet they defend it anyway. When people actually get to speak to her and hear her, she engages audiences and connects easily.
 

Apeach

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Pete Buttigieg is a dark horse. He is the candidate that has the most promise to me. He is someone that can join the left and right of the party without much damage. But he needs to put out the fire at his place very quickly. For the rest I see many plus points. He is smart, he says the right stuff, he looks to be in command and already looks presidential. Trump would also have very little to attack him on.
He is someone that can join the moderate left with the moderate right by throwing the far left under the bus and calling them SJWs.
 

OrdinaryPrime

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Oct 27, 2017
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The format was awful, though. And one of the moderators seemed to be incensed anyone actually attempted to answer a question.
Chuck Toddler you're talking about.

"Narrow down the biggest problem in America with one word."

FUCK OFF CHUCK

He's been saying the same shit for years. It does kinda get old but it doesn't matter since he's on point. The fact that there's been such a shift from 2016 to today policy-wise is a testament to his credibility and determination.

I think he thrives more in a smaller compact debate with more speech time, not this clusterfuck.
The issue with Bernie for me, ignoring his gun control issues, is that he pushes everything to economic inequality, even questions about systemic racism. At least during the debate, that's what he did. It's very frustrating.
 

Bliman

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He is someone that can join the moderate left with the moderate right by throwing the far left under the bus and calling them SJWs.
I don't think so. He is smarter than that I think. But isn't that a good thing that he can join the moderate left and moderate right? That has to be most of the party right?
 

Hirok2099

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Oct 27, 2017
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I love Bernie but he really needs to mix it up once in a while. Even though he's right on most things his broken record optics will work against him long term.
Yang and Bernie work better I think, when given more time to answer and explain their answers. I"m sure Bernie will do well on the next debates. Yang might do better if he returns.
Holy shit, that would be incredibly damning for NBC if verifired.
Disconnected mike or not, the bias against yang was showing. I think he can hold on to the way he was treated to lose relatively little popularity with his base.
 

jWILL253

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Oct 29, 2017
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Here's my take on Day 2:

Firstly, before I get to the grades, I just wanna say that this current debate structure sucks. Setting up stage & mic presence based on current polling ranks is asinine, as it makes it difficult for the lower percentage candidates to be able to make their cases to the public. Give them all equal time to speak, or don't bother. And I know that would just make this debate run longer, but tough shit; there are 20 candidates.

Anyways, here's my rankings from worst to best. Surprisingly, it was a pretty solid night for most of the candidates. Only a couple people had really bad nights:

Biden - Man. MAN. I've never seen a candidate be so unprepared, so far out of their element before in a debate. Even for me, someone who went into this expecting Biden to get his ass kicked, it was much, much worse than I anticipated. Harris SHMACKED Biden, just like I knew she would. But Biden also got ate up by Swalwell without Biden even having to say anything. And every time he was challenged, he couldn't handle it. Especially when Harris went at him, he got really defensive then. This goes to show that he's the worst candidate in this field, as he has the most baggage that could be easily used against him. As the undisputed frontrunner, he had the most to lose. And he lost it. Drop out now. (F)

Williamson
- Ay, who's auntie is this? Seriously, someone get this lady out of here. I didn't know who she was before this debate, and she didn't make much of a case to make herself memorable. Especially her last 45 second statement. "I'm gonna use LOVE for political purposes!" Man, get her nutritionist blogger looking ass outta here. (F)

Yang
- Could've been the Julian Castro of the night. Instead, any chance he had to speak was wasted. He lack energy. Didn't even try to insert himself in any of the discussion when the moderators were more lenient. A poor performance from someone on the fringes who could've really used a bump from this. (D-)

Hickenlooper
- The most memorable thing about his performance is that he made clear that he's the anti-socialism candidate. Which, in a race with a resurgent Sanders in it, is not an issue you want to be on the wrong side of this time around. (D-)

Gillibrand
- *Delaney intensifies*

No seriously, she did a decent job tonight, but she just couldn't get ahead of the moderators. (C-)

Bennet
- For a guy who was super late to the party, he did alright. Not a super memorable performance, but when he spoke, he was clear & articulate. Probably won't move the needle, though. (C)

Sanders
- If I'm being honest, this was an underwhelming performance from him. When he spoke, he did a good job of making his stances clear. But as one of the frontrunners, he didn't take command of the debate as everyone expected him to. Solid night, but we expected more from the runner up to the 2016 primaries. (C)

Swalwell
- He did pretty good. Really made the case that he represents the generation that will have to deal with the upcoming issues. Good shots at the frontrunners candidates on certain topics. (B-)

Buttigieg
- Not bad, honestly. I think what stood out the most to me is that he didn't get defensive on the questions about race. In fact, he took ownership and promised to do better. Solid performance. (B)

Harris
- Absolutely fantastic performance. Spoke with power & command. Was on the right side of every issue, and was articulate & convincing when asked to explain her stances. Plus, she knows how to go after the red meat, as she showed when she SHMACKED Biden. Also was quick on her feet with the "food on the table" quote. When she went at Biden, the pop was so big that she might as well have come out to The Rock's theme song. Not only the best performance of the night, but the best performance in these debates overall. She had the most to gain out of these candidates and she did the damn thang. This is the candidate Trump should be worried about the most. (A+)
 

Ichthyosaurus

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Disconnected mike or not, the bias against yang was showing. I think he can hold on to the way he was treated to lose relatively little popularity with his base.
I don't think it's going to work. He's an obscure candidate and how he responded to the mic turn off was oddly worded. How he told his side was like he was shocked that there were tv crew who made decisions like that during a broadcast. Almost comes off as a "Do you know who I am?" spiel.
 

Hirok2099

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't think it's going to work. He's an obscure candidate and how he responded to the mic turn off was oddly worded. How he told his side was like he was shocked that there were tv crew who made decisions like that during a broadcast. Almost comes off as a "Do you know who I am?" spiel.
I said his base, and I was referring to the laughable amount of time he was given during the debate. That, more than the mike claim is what makes it look like there's media bias against him.

Yang - Could've been the Julian Castro of the night. Instead, any chance he had to speak was wasted. He lack energy. Didn't even try to insert himself in any of the discussion when the moderators were more lenient. A poor performance from someone on the fringes who could've really used a bump from this. (D-)
As a fan of Yang he got a solid F, sure a lot of it has to do with his lack of experience at such an event, and I do find it a bit suspicious how little time he got but the truth is this was his one chance and he blew it.

I"m still hoping he returns and does better next time, He'll never be the nominee but some of his Ideas I feel NEED to be exposed to the mainstream.
 
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Holly shit! The way they cut Bernies answer. I know people hate it when he claims the game is rigged against him but it would be great if they stopped providing him with proof.
While I generally am a fan of Noah and Colbert especially, I thought they both were quite reductive in their reactions, which to be fair were aired live just after the debates had ended, so they didn't have much time to think things through. Makes for some funny TV if you didn't watch the debates I guess.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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Holly shit! The way they cut Bernies answer. I know people hate it when he claims the game is rigged against him but it would be great if they stopped providing him with proof.
The Daily Show regularly gives Bernie props, there is no "rigging" here.

I said his base, and I was referring to the laughable amount of time he was given during the debate. That, more than the mike claim is what makes it look like there's media bias against him.
Then I agree with you.
 

Apharmd

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Oct 25, 2017
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My reaction:

The debate format really sucked. Candidates did not have time for substantive answers because there were too many, even with 10 on-stage. My favorite moment, not gonna lie, was when Harris tore into Joe Biden on race, and Biden's defense for his opposition to busing was that it was a state's rights issue. If you vote for Biden you are complicit at this point.

Harris had the best night. I don't trust her on universal health care still and she continues to flub there, but if forced I would vote for her in the general despite her record. I have some concerns about how Trump would attack her in the GE. She has baggage that might hurt her with progressives, and with independents. Harris would savage Trump in a debate but I don't think that's going to matter? Can she beat Trump, is the concern for Kamala Harris.

Sanders did ok. Loved his anti-war message, very important to push that in a debate which includes misguided-ass Biden and Buttigieg. Sanders still struggles to stay on-message with social issues. On the other hand, when it comes to economic issues, he's dominant.

Biden got crushed. There's a reason this dude doesn't want to be seen very much. He fucking sucks, his politics have always been bad, and he is dangerous naive about bipartisanship in today's political climate.

Buttigieg is a smarter, younger Biden. His politics, where they are discernable, are also shit. He's polling within the margin of error with black voters and refusing to fire his police chief isn't not helping matters. Not a good candidate, not someone I would vote for.

Bennet/Swalwell/Gillibrand all did moderately ok? When you're an also-ran, though, you should be pushing your pet issue and raising visibility for it. Not sure any of them were effective with that, Gillibrand maybe on women's rights?

Hickenlooper was awful. He's selling something that the 2020 Democratic base isn't buying.

Marianne was fun, at least. That puts her ahead of most of last night's debaters.

Yang missed his chance to promote his core issue, and was more invisible than the also-ran Congressmen. Terrible.
 

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Dartastic

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Oct 25, 2017
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Watching Kamala Harris drag Joe Biden to hell is only entertaining because it's so rare that an old white man is killed by a cop.

EDIT: I'm flattered by the replies but I wasn't the on who made this quote, I just found it floating around while browsing my home
Hah, so glad someone else is making the same joke I am. I take it a bit further though, because it's even rarer that an old white politician is killed by a black, female cop.

Also, Marianne is the weeboo candidate.
 

Apharmd

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Oct 25, 2017
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You know, I'm still blown away- why the fuck did Joe Biden think it was a good idea to deflect criticism of his record on busing as a state or local issue? What did Biden defenders say in the media about that?
 

SweetNicole

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Yang got destroyed at the debate criticism was fair. Bernies was a good answer made to look bad by strategically cutting it short.

Ugh, I feel like neverbernies are way more close minded than bernie or bust people last year.
first you accuse the daily show (a comedy show) of being evidence of the media's "bias" against Bernie and then you accuse everyone responding to you of being neverbernies and being more close minded than you

 

ody

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After sleeping on it, I think I would love to see a Warren/Castro ticket
 

Hirok2099

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first you accuse the daily show (a comedy show) of being evidence of the media's "bias" against Bernie and then you accuse everyone responding to you of being neverbernies and being more close minded than you

LOl really?
I did not acuse everyone who responded to me of being neverbernie just you, and you continue by assuming I am or was a bernie or bust. I was strongly in the pro-Hilary camp on 2016 and Bernie is not my second or first pick. I'm simply not blinded by my bias.
 

LGHT_TRSN

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Oct 25, 2017
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Bernie's "mischaracterization" snafu was such a garbage response and so avoidable.

Just fucking admit that your stance on gun legislation back then was based on your limited view as a representative of Vermont.
 

Zombegoast

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Oct 30, 2017
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Kamala's going after Biden on busing really hit me as an Hispanic. After moving down to Florida and attending school in the late 90s, I remember going to 3 different schools before I finally settle to schools in Maitland. Before moving on to Middle School, they tried to put me into Lee Middle and my mom with the help of taking Violin classes got me to Maitland middle until I had had no choice but go to Edgewater High where it had an "Orchestra class" in a storage room.

Because of that, my mom took me out of public school and put me in a small private school.


Biden should seriously fuck off and every POC should turn against him on just how he ruins every minorities' lives growing up trying to get a good education.


Also someone on The View defending Biden's poor performance.
 

Eidan

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Oct 30, 2017
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You know, I'm still blown away- why the fuck did Joe Biden think it was a good idea to deflect criticism of his record on busing as a state or local issue? What did Biden defenders say in the media about that?
I was surprised that Biden seemed completely incapable of just saying, “I was wrong.” His refusal to admit any kind of fault, even in this environment, was downright Trumpian.
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hickenlooper's a one issue candidate it appears, and it's a stupid issue. Him demanding everyone on stage denounce socialism while a self-declared Democratic Socialist is front and center in the stage and among the frontrunners was just moronic and out of touch. Never mind that it's demolished with extreme ease, and I wish someone would point it out; it doesn't matter who the nominee is or what their policies are or even what they say about the exact subject. Trump, the GOP and Fox will all call them "socialist" and say they want "open borders". You could nominate the moldy corpse of Reagan and they'd call it socialist.