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2020 Presidential Democratic Primary Debates 1+2 |OT| June 26-27, 2019
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i'm the unvaccinated child looking directly at the camera trying to telepathically communicate my plea for someone to call child protective services
Im really not sure shes more coherent. I don't know if she has the meme staying power though. Jill getting out-polled by harambe cemented her meme status.
I can't stop laughing. This motherfucker referenced Yertle the Turtle for economic inequality and precarity.
Her takes are so weirdly on the mark and also out of this world at the same time.
Just put me on ignore. You've clearly bought into Bernie's normalising radicalising his supporters. Thank Bernie for helping give us 4 years of Trump.
The normalisation Bernie did with radicalising his supports has been ongoing since '16, but you don't want to see it.
It's the truth.
It is, in fact, every losing candidates' job to deescalate tensions between the groups so they can merge their followers into the winner's coalition. That's the absolute peak the nominee needs before entering the general, and it's why people want the primaries to end sooner rather than later so the recovery period gets the right amount of time so everyone's backing the winner 100%. Bernie never did that, he did the minimum and the party's meant to pretend like nothing bad happened. It's why the rift between the left and others barely take any sparks to cause going for throat infighting.
Normally it doesn't get as bad as what Bernie did, either. That's a big problem he never learnt how to accomplish.
He didn't do it anywhere near 90% efficiency in proportion to what he unleashed on the Democratic party in '16. That it's not enough people like me is a problem, I'm on your side here. Bernie doesn't care that he set up circumstances that we must be enemies because he couldn't get off his ass to heal wounds he opened. He saddled all that with Hillary then act shocked she wasn't able to fix the impossible situation he put her in.
The rest of those candidates didn't do this in '16, Bernie did. That's his legacy to bear.
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As much as I "love" relitigating 2016 I have to clear something up. The often cited figures that say 90% of Sanders voters voted for Hillary implies that 90% of the 13.4 million votes Sanders got in the primary went to Clinton in the general... which isn't actually true. The question poised was "If you voted for Sanders in the primary and voted in the general election who did you vote for?" which gives us absolutely no clue how many of his voters turned out.
Adult Swim should give her a tv show so she can spew her crazy bullshit while everyone is laughing at her.
You asked why I have an issue with a old man yelling at clouds, while my entire stance was 'look, he yelled at clouds, as one would expect'
Pete needs to dropout. You don't win the primary without the black vote and he currently at 1%. Its not going to grow for him at all. Especially since he go hit on a national level.
No way in hell his word on justice reform is worth anything if he can't handle the situation in his yard. Hey, at least maybe he can throw his weight as mayor and actually smack the cop since he brought bullshit to his election race.
No way in hell his word on justice reform is worth anything if he can't handle the situation in his yard. Hey, at least maybe he can throw his weight as mayor and actually smack the cop since he brought bullshit to his election race.
That's the problem with "spirituality." Without a secular, neutral compass, you add in so much gobbledygook. That's even affected her takes on actual policy, seeing as she has to cite a Dr. Seuss book to back it up. There's no backbone for wanting to be accountable, hence why she can say she's gonna beat Trump "with love" even if cruelty is the point for him.
She's a female Deepak Chopra: any profundity, any accountable truth that can be found is bathed in so much bullshit you might as well never bother. Absolutely livid this woman wasn't traded with Warren, how she was even given a shot at these debates over Mike Gravel, and actually spoke more than Andrew Yang, who at least has ideas beyond love.
Bernie coming after Hillary's big money donors and ties to Wall Street was absolutely devastating, there is no argument there... but I can't think of any reason why it's not a fair criticism. She never had a good answer for it.
And, Bernie is not alone re: the rigging talk; the 2016 primaries were run with the assumption that the outcome was inevitable. It's not some wild-eyed conspiracy theory that the DNC had preferences, the debate schedule was incredibly light, making it hard to get the spotlight, and the superdelegates were locked up by Clinton very early on - earlier and more decisively than for any candidate in the party's history. It would have been a miracle for anyone to overcome that situation. Wasserman-Schultz lost her job leading the DNC when the DNC's preferences and "active plotting" came to light via WikiLeaks after the Russia hack.
It's a troubled relationship Bernie has with the Democratic party, and I get it, and I don't blame people who don't like him, but I also feel like the ideals are more important than the political party, and if you want to talk "radicalization," maybe think about how important he has been keeping the youth interested in politics, bringing them to the one party that actually fights for the upcoming generation instead of defending the status quo, and keeps popularizing ideas that other Dem candidates are starting to make part of their platform.
Given his electoral future is grim, as a Mayor in Indiana, who isn't going to be able to win a Governor or Senate race there, I imagine he is aiming to get a position in the next Dem admin, in which case hanging in longer and raising his profile is better for him. He's in the top five of candidates, it's not like he's down with Yang and Hickenlooper at 1% overall.
I mean, Pete is currently at 4% overall so him having 1% of the black vote doesn't mean much. But I don't really see him winning the primary all the same.
Radicalising that youth against the Dems won't help anyone, except Republicans. The party and their candidates are flawed, and some even corrupt, but that's how to cut off the party from the next generation not recruiting them. Ideals don't go anywhere when the party who's the most inclined to do them don't have those voters on board.
You see the radicalization as a bad thing. It is quite good and cool actually. Sit with us at the cool kids table. Feast upon the rich.
The rest of your post is ahistorical nonsense
I mean, Biden ran in 2008. Then you had Nixon that was Eisenhower's VP. Reagan and Bush. It happens.
You'd never know Biden was the frontrunner based on tonight.
Harris left a hell of an impression on me though. She's struck me as inauthentic in the past, but she really seemed like a fighter here.
Bootyjudge did quite well too. (Trump's right that he looks like Alfred E. Neuman.)
Bernie was Bernie. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't know what he's about, and he certainly didn't surprise here. He does have an unfortunate tendency to speak in platitudes even when pressed for specifics. Harris seemed more pragmatic and eloquent by contrast.
Harris left a hell of an impression on me though. She's struck me as inauthentic in the past, but she really seemed like a fighter here.
Bootyjudge did quite well too. (Trump's right that he looks like Alfred E. Neuman.)
Bernie was Bernie. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't know what he's about, and he certainly didn't surprise here. He does have an unfortunate tendency to speak in platitudes even when pressed for specifics. Harris seemed more pragmatic and eloquent by contrast.
lol BIden wasn't VP then. Gore ran in 2000, though. Super common, really.
Because it is. I don't like the rich, and we need serious reform, but radicalisation against the Dems has failed to do this.
That's an expected response. I didn't think we'd agree lol
I thought the poster meant VPs who ran against the person that they're VP to and then were chosen to be vp.
Walter Mondale took a crack at it in 1984. four years after Jimmy Carter lost in 1980, making Carter a one termer
Reagan crushed Mondale.
Reagan crushed Mondale.
Apparently radicalization is starting to work seeing as Ilhan, AOC, and Rashida are the stars of the democratic party. Incredible how Bernie radicalized people and failed to reform all within 3 years. 3 years is a large amount of time to conclude it has failed.
It's hurt them as much as it's helped. They can't win on everything on anger alone, that requires allies.
You're confusing influence with reform. And he hasn't succeeded with his goal, he's merely bought the left to the table - they don't own the table. Bernie's agenda is vastly more than reigniting the left into a political fighting force, he hasn't become president or had his leftists colleagues taken over congress.
Not particularly common. Happened a little more in recent times. Usually the VP is a Senator or Governor who compliments the nominee's ticket. In the case of Obama and Biden, Biden fit that role.
Unless you meant the VP running for president while still in office as VP. That's also happened plenty of times, though VPs aren't as successful at running for President later as you'd think however, when not counting VPs that succeeded a dead or resigning President, it's only actually happened a few times (Bush Sr, Nixon, for examples).
AOC has shocked me with how very different her form radicalism is from Bernie. She seems much in the vein of a Warren than Bernie. Wanting big change but perfectly willing to work in the confines of the system we have.
Very, recently. Gore, Biden, and Hillary basically was one as Obama's personal choice for his successor.
She's a pragmatist, which is why a lot of people who aren't ideologically aligned with her 1:1 on the left still like her.
Williamson: "Are you okay?"
Trump: "I'm fine."
Williamson: "Here. This is for you."
Trump: "...A flower?"
yaassss queen
And by queen I mean Bernie.
But yeah. Preach it. Clinton supporters have been excruciatingly delusional in the Great Nuclear Electoral Fallout of '16.
And I say Bernie's legacy is going to be people like AOC and Ilhan Omar, ideas like free college and single-payer becoming mainstream, the word "socialism" becoming destigmatized, and there being a bridge between young voters (to whom people like Hillary and Biden have nothing to say), and the Democratic party. Because let's be clear: the near-unfettered capitalism of the USA is an existential threat to the next generation of people, and socialism is the antidote.
That was my point. It's really bizarre to think that 3 years is enough time to succeed. You've decided it failed already. Meanwhile he has largely influenced all the candidates to be more left this election cycle. What happens with whoever wins? Does that not count?
AOC is better on messaging than Bernie.
AOC is better at being positive than Bernie who tends to be negative
AOC is way better communicator than Bernie.
AOC is quicker on her wits and getting to the point than Bernie.
AOC is more up-to-date about newer issues affecting people than Bernie
Bernie just repeats his cassette tape over and over again.
Stand up comics usually come with new material, Bernie's problem is that has no new material, it's always the same show