2020 Presidential Democratic Primary Debates 1+2 |OT| June 26-27, 2019

Tamanon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Eh, it's even more hollow for either of the guys who voted for the crime bill to talk about her being a prosecutor.
 

Christian

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I don't see why people think Warren isn't an effective speaker/communicator or couldn't hold her own with Trump. I think it's just vestiges of the Pocahontas episode. If you've seen her recently, you'd see she is pretty damn good.

I think a ticket with Warren/Harris would be very strong, and a resounding fuck you to chauvinist establishment types.
Anyone that thinks Warren couldn’t handle Trump hasn’t seen her in hearings, grilling bank and corporate executives and humiliating them.
 

Snowy

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Trump plays by a different set of rules than any other competitor. Hillary absolutely beat him on substance in the debates, but he arguably “won” the lot of them, in terms of long-term electoral success, with the “You’d be in jail” line.

Success in these debates, or at grilling executive lizards in Congress, will not necessarily transfer to “wiping the floor” with Trump on a debate stage.
 

Eidan

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Oct 30, 2017
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I love Warren, but I can absolutely see her getting flustered in a debate with Trump in a way that I just could never see happening with Harris. I’d pay good money to see her eviscerate him.
 

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Castro is pretty questionable when actually put under a microscope. He had a superficially nice debate night but I wouldn't rush to have him on a ticket just yet.
Do you have any specifics?
I definitely need to do more research on Castro but I'm finding him more favorable after the debate and looking at his responses from NYT's candidate interviews.
 

XMonkey

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Oct 26, 2017
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I don’t think debates in the general are as important nowadays as they’re being made out to be, particularly with how polarized the country is right now.

(Primary debates are still very important, for obvious reasons)
 

LGHT_TRSN

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I don't agree with calling her a cop either, but I mean the criticism directed at her record as a prosecutor.
I never claimed to have an issue with discussing her record as a prosecutor. I have an issue with white people who have probably never had a bad police encounter in their lives degrading a black woman who grew up in Oakland by calling her a "cop," especially when she's not the only prosecutor on the stage, nor is she close to being the worst offender of supporting policies that have hurt black communities. It's gross.
 

Masseyme

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Kamala being a cop is a super positive thing in the general election. She just needs to make it there.

Also, cop vs criminal as an underlying theme of the election would work for this season.

The people that this would be positive for would do Harris, a black woman no favors. And being in law enforcement is a non starter for alot of minorities. I like Harris but she has a long way to go to prevent people from just sitting out another election.
 

Bradbatross

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According to Morning Consult, Biden lost 6% after the first debate. I can't wait to see how much he lost after the 2nd.
 

Eidan

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The people that this would be positive for would do Harris, a black woman no favors. And being in law enforcement is a non starter for alot of minorities. I like Harris but she has a long way to go to prevent people from just sitting out another election.
I think a lot of you are going to be in for a rude awakening when you realize that working in law enforcement isn’t a non-starter for many black voters.
 

Bliman

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Because he comes from the military that is something that gives moderates on the right comfort. But he is against wars and is someone who is credible because he fought in them which pleases the left side. He also has great school credentials.
He speaks very calmly and presidential which the moderates like.
He is gay and knows all the hardships which come with that (certainly in the US). He knows all the struggles around that. This is coming over very well on the left side on the party. Because they know that he is one of them and has experience on that side, and that he would fight for them.
He also looks like someone who can be trusted. He is neither so left as Sanders and left of Biden (which isn't difficult).
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I never claimed to have an issue with discussing her record as a prosecutor. I have an issue with white people who have probably never had a bad police encounter in their lives degrading a black woman who grew up in Oakland by calling her a "cop," especially when she's not the only prosecutor on the stage, nor is she close to being the worst offender of supporting policies that have hurt black communities. It's gross.
Not sure this means what you think it means. No one is talking about Steve Bullock's past as an AG precisely because nobody thinks he means anything to this race.
 

Masseyme

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I think a lot of you are going to be in for a rude awakening when you realize that working in law enforcement isn’t a non-starter for many black voters.

I've seen hate and disdain for Harris that I can only compare to Hillary. Maybe even more because she's supposed to be one of us. The prosecutor record and unfortunately her choice of partner just throws her out of line with the current black agenda imo but I'd love to be wrong.
 

Eidan

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I've seen hate and disdain for Harris that I can only compare to Hillary. Maybe even more because she's supposed to be one of us. The prosecutor record and unfortunately her choice of partner just throws her out of line with the current black agenda imo but I'd love to be wrong.
And I’ve mostly seen admiration, but then again I don’t spend much time on social media.

That said, I do absolutely think Russian trolls and the alt-right will attempt to play up the “Kamala is a COP” shit in an attempt to suppress the black vote. I just don’t think it will be nearly as effective as the think.
 

LGHT_TRSN

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She called herself CA's top cop.

Y'all drop it.
Where's her badge? She a member of a local police union?

You wanna discuss her decisions as DA, go for it. But let's stop this reductionist name-calling garbage.

Not sure this means what you think it means. No one is talking about Steve Bullock's past as an AG precisely because nobody thinks he means anything to this race.
How about Biden and Bernie then? The crime bill did more damage to those communities than Harris ever possibly could as a DA.
 

nitekrawler

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Oct 28, 2017
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I loved watching Kamala dominate everyone. From commanding to speak on the topic of race to herding the group of cats that were our nominees. She really displays strength and leadership in a way that I think would naturally overcome the petty faux strength that Trump tries to exude. Cop vs Robber would make a great election theme. I'm really glad both my favorite candidates(Warren and Harris) had great nights on the stage.
 

Blue Skies

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I loved watching Kamala dominate everyone. From commanding to speak on the topic of race to herding the group of cats that were our nominees. She really displays strength and leadership in a way that I think would naturally overcome the petty faux strength that Trump tries to exude. Cop vs Robber would make a great election theme. I'm really glad both my favorite candidates(Warren and Harris) had great nights on the stage.
Cop vs Robber is such a nice way to put it

Hmmmmmmmmmmm
As the day goes on, the more I’m believing the possibility of her being the nominee and eventual president.
 

Loan Wolf

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I'm still voting for Warren for the primary but Harris definitely skyrocketed herself as my third favorite behind Buttigieg.
 

nitekrawler

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Cop vs Robber is such a nice way to put it

Hmmmmmmmmmmm
As the day goes on, the more I’m believing the possibility of her being the nominee and eventual president.
I don't think anyone is even factoring in the long shadow of California being moved up to Super Tuesday. Because it may take a month to tally the votes she could be in the headlines for weeks after. Even though Warren is my first choice it's hard not to think of the advantages and strengths Harris brings to the narrative.
 

Googleplex

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Oct 25, 2017
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Neither Biden nor Sanders were ever a prosecutor.
Yes! She helped put murderers rapists and child molesters in jail how fucking dare she!

The pure ignorance and arrogance for this post astounding. The pure stupidity of:

1. Trying to place the entirety of the failings of the criminal justice system on one Black woman's shoulders.

And

2. Seeing the black community through the lens of people who only experience with criminal justice is as criminals and forgetting the we are also many times the fucking victims. Who need More Kamala Harris's in the system being our advocates. In a broken ass system.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Yes! She helped put murderers rapists and child molesters in jail how fucking dare she!

The pure ignorance and arrogance for this post astounding. The pure stupidity of:

1. Trying to place the entirety of the failings of the criminal justice system on one Black woman's shoulders.

And

2. Seeing the black community through the lens of people who only experience with criminal justice is as criminals and forgetting the we are also many times the fucking victims. Who need More Kamala Harris's in the system being our advocates. In a broken ass system.
You’re reading way too much into this one.
 

SG-17

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I am perplexed with this primary candidate selection.

Based on my key issues; student loan debt forgiveness, nuclear power expansion, Green New Deal, universal health care, free college, ending the electoral college, abolishing the filibuster, DC and PR statehood, DACA, Supreme Court reform, wealth tax, campaign finance, net neutrality, minimum wage, gun control, legalizing pot, and ending private prisons; it seems like Mayor Pete matches everything the best.

Which is disappointing. Harris has the better stage presence but she doesn't have a position on student debt relief (as far as I can find) and doesn't support nuclear power. Bernie and Warren are both down the board good, except for nuclear power. I think Bernie is too stubborn and too old though.

If Harris supports student loan forgiveness I can overlook the nuclear power issue, in which case Pete, Harris, and Warren would be my frontrunners.

With DeBlasio being a wildcard only because I think he can easily out-New Yorker Trump in any debate.
 

Kevin Shields

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Oct 27, 2017
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I’m a moderate republican completely turned off by Trump, but I’m not nearly as liberal as many on this board or many of the candidates but I will not be voting for Trump.

Do you think the best strategy for beating trump is going far to the left or finding someone in the middle that can take on some disaffected conservatives like myself?

I’m new to this side of ERA so direct me if I’m in wrong thread...
 
Oct 27, 2017
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With DeBlasio being a wildcard only because I think he can easily out-New Yorker Trump in any debate.
I was mostly with you until this (although I think Pete has no chance against Trump).

DeBlasio would get slaughtered in a debate and it wouldn’t even be fun to watch unless you’re a New Yorker tired of your mayor.
 

Ithil

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I’m a moderate republican completely turned off by Trump, but I’m not nearly as liberal as many on this board or many of the candidates but I will not be voting for Trump.

Do you think the best strategy for beating trump is going far to the left or finding someone in the middle that can take on some disaffected conservatives like myself?

I’m new to this side of ERA so direct me if I’m in wrong thread...
Trump is actively destroying the country. Do whatever you can to get him out of the WH. There is no Democrat candidate that could be worse for the US than he is, no matter how far left (and there are not many particularly far left candidates).
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Do you think the best strategy for beating trump is going far to the left or finding someone in the middle that can take on some disaffected conservatives like myself?
As far as I know, there aren’t any communists running as Democrats right now, so you might wanna frame what “far to the left” is supposed to mean in your eyes.

Also, Republicans listen to my bloody valentine?
 

SG-17

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I was mostly with you until this (although I think Pete has no chance against Trump).

DeBlasio would get slaughtered in a debate and it wouldn’t even be fun to watch unless you’re a New Yorker tired of your mayor.
I think a DeBlasio/Trump debate would devolve into a shouting match in a thick New York accent. Which, in theory would be hilarious.
 

Ithil

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Agree but I’m wondering what strategy is best to beat him
"Vote for the Democrat". All you need for a moderate or a independent to vote for them is someone at least tolerable, and with Trump as the opponent, that's not hard to be. Last time, many people thought Clinton was not tolerable, due to decades of hate campaigns and times in the spotlight, everyone had their opinion before she even ran, or formed by negative media campaigns.
No such luck for Trump this time, there's no one in the Dem primary that is hated like Hillary was, nor even known like Hillary besides Biden/Bernie. He is vile enough and more importantly omnipresent enough that people will vote for the Dem just so they don't have to hear about Trump daily anymore.