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2020 Presidential Democratic Primary Debates 1+2 |OT| June 26-27, 2019
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Didn't catch the debate live, just finished it. Harris killed it. She's been my number two behind Bernie but I may have to reconsider that, now. Bernie is ideologically my favorite, naturally, but that's not the only factor to consider. I've had a feeling that Kamala would be a very strong candidate and tonight proved it. Biden got absolutely wrecked in their exchange. That's exactly the kind of shit we need to bring against Trump.
Bernie was disappointing tonight. Felt like he was just playing the hits.
Bernie was disappointing tonight. Felt like he was just playing the hits.
I still have doubts about Warren going toe-to-toe with Trump. She's my third pick, for what it's worth.
Yes, very good points and good reminders of some of his past actions. I forgot about the hit list and his support of the young Turks. The people he chooses to surround himself with are questionable. Hopefully after this election cycle, he doesnt make another attempt at the presidency.
Ehh, people are still ignorant on the issue. That could change when people stop framing it as "you'll lose your precious private insurance even though many people lose their plan due to their bosses and people only really care about their doctors and health care center."
Yes continually lying about it in the primaries is still annoying though.
I've started referring to him as Dexter. That's who he looks like to me.
Tonight was my introduction to him. I absolutely hated everything about him. He lacked any real substance. I'm sorry but "passing the torch" is not a policy stance on climate change. What the actual fuck was that? Just a big nothing fart in the wind.
He needs to drop out.
I still cannot believe that Biden defended his pro-segregation stance in a live debate in 2019
The fact that it didn't immediately ruin his campaign is proof that Obama and name popularity are still hugely important at this stage of the primary.
The fact that it didn't immediately ruin his campaign is proof that Obama and name popularity are still hugely important at this stage of the primary.
Could we have a poll thread? I'd love a regular (weekly? monthly?) poll to see how ERA's thoughts evolve over time.
Yeah. Passing the torch to snipe Biden was neat, using it for everything else and trying to say boomers can't possibly work to fix climate change and all young people will (when he wasn't even the youngest person there) was beyond annoying and dumb. Alienating an entire generation of voters is just massively stupid.
She's done this before which makes me think it's not a mistake
Yep. And like I edited in gonna tank any support he may have.
Guys I did a "drinking game" for this debate where we just drank Monster energy drinks. It's 2AM and I can't sleep, someone help me. I have work tomorrow.
Also, really excited for the next debates when we have way less people and we can go deep into the differences between candidates.
Also, really excited for the next debates when we have way less people and we can go deep into the differences between candidates.
It's too bad because private insurance companies will always put profits before people. The longer they exist, the worse. I wish more candidates would align with outright banning private insurance. America needs to understand that profit-driven organizations have no place in providing healthcare service.
Do you expect Harris to surpass Biden in polls this year already?
That's true, but Bernie is the only candidate who has similar political views like AOC. With Biden and Harris you would only get Obama 2.0
Yeah it is a bit weird seeing takes in here about Sanders "playing the hits" — this is the beginning of an election; messaging is very important, and assuming everyone knows what these people stand for on day one is kind of silly. What else should they be doing? Throwing away long-held beliefs or sayings because someone has grown bored of hearing the same message?
So, besides Andrew Yang, do we have any other reports that they muted the mics of others in an attempt to stop people from interrupting? Or was his a technical issue?
I'm not one for conspiracy theory, but this explains the part when he raises his hand. He wasn't doing it like he was in class; he was likely speaking but no audio is picked up on his mic.
Not gonna be a good look because some believe the network wasn't really happy he was a part of it, seeing as they edited him out of a collage of candidates running, and included people who weren't running, either.
I'm not one for conspiracy theory, but this explains the part when he raises his hand. He wasn't doing it like he was in class; he was likely speaking but no audio is picked up on his mic.
Not gonna be a good look because some believe the network wasn't really happy he was a part of it, seeing as they edited him out of a collage of candidates running, and included people who weren't running, either.
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Alright we've seen everyone in action and some of them would even make fine secretaries in a Sanders administration. But it's time to don your avatars and get Bernie the Presidency.
Evolving so they build a campaign which can win the nomination. This isn't about their beliefs, it's about pitching them to the public to vote for them. Obama didn't start off with his winning campaign in the primaries, for instance. He started off having a Christian faith themed campaign and wasn't the polished speaker he became.
Oh ok lol I guess I just misunderstood you wasnt trying to argue with you or anything I just thought you were saying something else. My bad.
Yes. That's the funny thing about partial quotes. They can both be direct, and they can be completely robbed of their actual context and intent.
I think he should have addressed it differently for the record, but I'm surprised people don't seem to be aware of this incredibly common political trick.
He was literally responding to her rhetorical device of "some people say you damaged Clinton's campaign run" his point was not that it was rigged, but that people say all sorts of things. That doesn't mean that they are wholly accurate.
It was obvious what he meant. Anyone laughing at his response only exposed their own failings in grasping basic English comprehension.
Unfortunately, the truth is not relevant; people will believe what they want to believe.
Yeah in that clip it does look like he's speaking, but nothing comes out of the mic
That's fine though. He'll be in more debates as he's built up a big following.
Im gonna vote for her so we can begin the The Human Instrumentality Project
I think when you say a bad delivery. Really you mean "not to my taste".
His brand of rhetoric has brought a lot of people to the table on progressive policy that prior to him were wholly disillusioned and uninterested in politics.
I like the fire in his belly. Might not appeal to you but its what draws me in. I'm tired of polished bullshit artists.
Bernie has grand ideas but he says their limits explicitly. Our agenda won't happen without the addressing structural rot along with the participation and the mobilization of the working class and every day normal people, pure and simple.
It's what's great about him. We have to go beyond electoralism, and he constantly reminds his base and people in general how important that is. It's why he stands on picket lines and directly supports union and workers negotiations IN PERSON.
Realized I haven't given my impressions of tonight's debates.
In terms of who seemed to give the best/ least damaging answers I think number 1 is Kamala Harris by a long shot. Number two was Bernie, but I think it was a distant second place.
Behind that was Pete, but something about him came off incredibly artificial and rehearsed to me. Pro tip, don't wear a smirk on your face and speak like it's a sales pitch when you are talking about personal tragedy in your family.
Everyone else for me came off really weird or inconsequential.
Biden did horrible and is continuing to prove the exact problems I thought he would have.
Final breakdown over the last two nights and my top 3 poll positions:
Bernie and Warren very nearly tied with slight edge to Bernie and Kamala in third right behind them.
In terms of who seemed to give the best/ least damaging answers I think number 1 is Kamala Harris by a long shot. Number two was Bernie, but I think it was a distant second place.
Behind that was Pete, but something about him came off incredibly artificial and rehearsed to me. Pro tip, don't wear a smirk on your face and speak like it's a sales pitch when you are talking about personal tragedy in your family.
Everyone else for me came off really weird or inconsequential.
Biden did horrible and is continuing to prove the exact problems I thought he would have.
Final breakdown over the last two nights and my top 3 poll positions:
Bernie and Warren very nearly tied with slight edge to Bernie and Kamala in third right behind them.
Hindsight it was weird as fuck that the audience applauded Marianne's anti-plan "Trump won by MAGA" line. The audience seemed to applaud anything.
Obama 2.0 would get elected in a landslide against Trump.