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Ac30

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Oct 30, 2017
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I don't know man, it feels like they're scaring moderates and swing votes. You can only go so left for them.
Trump got 2020 on lock down. These candidates are terrible.

Curiously you really can't seem to go too far right for them.

There's a racist, rapist felon in the White House. They're not remotely moderate if they support him.
 

Luminish

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Oct 25, 2017
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I believe Yang already Q'd for debate 2.
Doesn't everyone who qualified for debate 1 automatically qualify for debate 2, except if bumped out of the top 20 by someone else?

Edit: wait, is the third debate the next one because we just had a second debate? I think that might have been what has been confusing me.
 
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Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Doesn't everyone who qualified for debate 1 automatically qualify for debate 2, except if bumped out of the top 20 by someone else?

Edit: wait, is the third debate the next one because we just had a second debate? I think that might have been what has been confusing me.
1/2 are the same round. Requirements double for the upcoming debate(s)
 

Luminish

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Oct 25, 2017
6,508
Denver
1/2 are the same round. Requirements double for the upcoming debate(s)

After some searching, it looks like the requirements double for the ABC debate in September, but there's a CNN debate in July before that using the same criteria.


Bullock barely missed the first debate while Bennet, de Blasio, Delaney, and Swalwell barely made it, with Tim Ryan not that far ahead, but I'm guessing probably no one would notice if Bullock ended up replacing one of them in the second. Funny how the bottom 6 are all bland white guys.
 
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Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fingers crossed that some of the scrubs just drop out. Because that format was a clusterfuck. Though Kamala sure as hell took advantage of the clusterfuck to look like the adult in the room.
 

xfactor99

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After some searching, it looks like the requirements double for the ABC debate in September, but there's a CNN debate in July before that using the same criteria.


Bullock barely missed the first debate while Bennet, de Blasio, Delaney, and Swalwell barely made it, with Tim Ryan not that far ahead, but I'm guessing probably no one would notice if Bullock ended up replacing one of them in the second. Funny how the bottom 6 are all bland white guys.

I follow a polling forum that has a guy who does hardcore analysis of debate qualification. Basically, Bullock qualified for July, so it'll go down to tiebreakers. As of right now Swalwell and Bullock are tied for 20th place even after taking into account all 3 of the tiebreakers, so who the fuck knows what they'll do there.

For the September debate, Biden, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Harris, and Beto are locks. Booker is very likely (needs to get 130k donors, he's going to get 2% or better in at least 4 polls), Klobuchar was looking likely but has been slipping in the polls recently and it's unsure whether she can get 4 polls of 2% or better. Yang, Gabbard, and Castro have outside shots. Everyone else (barring any major bumps from this debate) is DOA.
 

Zelas

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Oct 25, 2017
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What do you think you're posting? It's saying the same thing I said. Private insurance does not get eliminated. It becomes supplemental insurance such as cosmetic surgery. Doesn't mean that it stands toe to toe with Medicare. I've never once argued that. Strange to say that I did.
Nowhere in my short, one sentence post did I say it would be 100% straight up eliminated. I said you were being disingenuous. Because under Bernie's plan private private insurance would be EFFECTIVELY banned.

Under the Medicare for All bill written by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), every American would be moved into a government health plan within a few years. Private insurance effectively would be banned from covering most major medical care.
It's an effective ban on private insurance because his plan bans employer offered private insurance from competing with his government option. And the supplemental options people keep saying would be available, like cosmetic surgery, are already not covered in most cases. I assume reconstructive surgery would be covered by Bernie's plan so all of the current options would be banned. Saying "but cosmetic surgery" is meaningless.

The folks who want the option of private insurance are not going to be won over by a handful of relatively insignificant supplemental offerings. They want comprehensive package options, not for a democratic socialist to ban market competitors.

There's no use in trying to argue there wont be an effective ban on private insurance just hours after Bernie raised his hand emphatically when asked if he favors eliminating it.
 

Entryhazard

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Oct 25, 2017
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Watching Kamala Harris drag Joe Biden to hell is only entertaining because it's so rare that an old white man is killed by a cop.

EDIT: I'm flattered by the replies but I wasn't the one who made this quote, I just found it floating around while browsing my home
 
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Snowy

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Nov 11, 2017
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Nowhere in my short, one sentence post did I say it would be 100% straight up eliminated. I said you were being disingenuous. Because under Bernie's plan private private insurance would be EFFECTIVELY banned.


It's an effective ban on private insurance because his plan bans employer offered private insurance from competing with his government option. And the supplemental options people keep saying would be available, like cosmetic surgery, are already not covered in most cases. I assume reconstructive surgery would be covered by Bernie's plan so all of the current options would be banned. Saying "but cosmetic surgery" is meaningless.

The folks who want the option of private insurance are not going to be won over by a handful of relatively insignificant supplemental offerings. They want comprehensive package options, not for a democratic socialist to ban market competitors.

There's no use in trying to argue there wont be an effective ban on private insurance just hours after Bernie raised his hand emphatically when asked if he favors eliminating it.

As he said, people like their doctors and hospitals, not their insurance and the red tape therein.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I like Bernie and his ideas, but I was annoyed that he kept coming back to arguments among the line of "we need someone with the courage to" making it about choice of person rather than choice of ideas. A lot of people make that kind of argument, but I expect more from someone who could be a frontrunner, more from someone who wants to build a movement larger than himself and more from one of the people with the best ideas in this race

I hope he does better on this in future debates
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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After the past two nights of debates, my opinions have shifted on these candidates quite a bit. I was a big fan of O'Rourke and Buttigeig, but they dropped hard for me. Both of them just got buried by stronger candidates with better ideas. Now I'm at:

1. Kamala Harris
2. Elizabeth Warren
3. Bernie Sanders

Joe Biden is at the bottom of that list right now. I just don't like the guy at all, especially after Harris destroyed him live on TV.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I a really think kamahla would be the best person to debate against Trump. We all know Trump goes limp when being talked to directly by a prosecutor
 

Zombegoast

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Oct 30, 2017
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This is all I saw on Biden's face after Bennet destroyed him for working with Mitch McConnell
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Arebours

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Oct 27, 2017
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really shitty to mute yang, then barely let him talk - and once he gets to talk its a question about fucking china.
 

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So, besides Andrew Yang, do we have any other reports that they muted the mics of others in an attempt to stop people from interrupting? Or was his a technical issue?

I'm not one for conspiracy theory, but this explains the part when he raises his hand. He wasn't doing it like he was in class; he was likely speaking but no audio is picked up on his mic.

Not gonna be a good look because some believe the network wasn't really happy he was a part of it, seeing as they edited him out of a collage of candidates running, and included people who weren't running, either.
WTH no wonder he didnt say shit. I thought he froze up. WOW the fact that they would actually go this far. All Yang fans know how they were treating him before the debate too.
 

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I could not believe Biden was trying to pitch the terrible deals Obama made with Mitch as a positive for him. That was Bennett's best moment.

that really was dumb as hell and shows just how out of touch he is

dude really thought he was gonna get brownie points by working with mitch

and it's like, hey buddy have you read the news lately? because the timing was whew
 

Ichthyosaurus

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Dec 26, 2018
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Why do I feel like the longer these debates are going with Biden I'm going to have to use this.

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He needs to drop out yesterday.
 

Encephalon

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Oct 26, 2017
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Marianne, discussing climate change:

"Climate change may be upon us soon. It feeds upon the consciousnesses of those who deny its existence. Yet it is but one future amidst an infinite set of potential phenomena. The future is not already set. Even the smallest of waves can spread throughout the whole. Phenomena change with every moment, just like a drifting wave."
 

gutter_trash

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Oct 26, 2017
17,124
Montreal
Long time senators make terrible Presidential candidates due to their long time record that likely gets worse over generations.

Biden being a bipartisan pleaser makes him a worse candidate

John Kerry "I voted for it before I was against it" type of shit
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Long time senators make terrible Presidential candidates due to their long time record that likely gets worse over generations.

Biden being a bipartisan pleaser makes him a worse candidate

John Kerry "I voted for it before I was against it" type of shit
Not even very long time Senators either. Gillibrand has only been a Senator a decade and her rapid shift from Blue Dog congresswoman to her current feminist Senator approach has hurt her, because people don't think she's for real. Hence, she's at pitiful 1% polling alongside Marianne or Tim Ryan.