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You know, I'm still blown away- why the fuck did Joe Biden think it was a good idea to deflect criticism of his record on busing as a state or local issue? What did Biden defenders say in the media about that?
 

SweetNicole

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Oct 24, 2017
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Yang got destroyed at the debate criticism was fair. Bernies was a good answer made to look bad by strategically cutting it short.

Ugh, I feel like neverbernies are way more close minded than bernie or bust people last year.

first you accuse the daily show (a comedy show) of being evidence of the media's "bias" against Bernie and then you accuse everyone responding to you of being neverbernies and being more close minded than you

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Hirok2099

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Oct 27, 2017
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first you accuse the daily show (a comedy show) of being evidence of the media's "bias" against Bernie and then you accuse everyone responding to you of being neverbernies and being more close minded than you

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LOl really?
I did not acuse everyone who responded to me of being neverbernie just you, and you continue by assuming I am or was a bernie or bust. I was strongly in the pro-Hilary camp on 2016 and Bernie is not my second or first pick. I'm simply not blinded by my bias.
 

LGHT_TRSN

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Oct 25, 2017
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Bernie's "mischaracterization" snafu was such a garbage response and so avoidable.

Just fucking admit that your stance on gun legislation back then was based on your limited view as a representative of Vermont.
 

Zombegoast

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Oct 30, 2017
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Kamala's going after Biden on busing really hit me as an Hispanic. After moving down to Florida and attending school in the late 90s, I remember going to 3 different schools before I finally settle to schools in Maitland. Before moving on to Middle School, they tried to put me into Lee Middle and my mom with the help of taking Violin classes got me to Maitland middle until I had had no choice but go to Edgewater High where it had an "Orchestra class" in a storage room.

Because of that, my mom took me out of public school and put me in a small private school.


Biden should seriously fuck off and every POC should turn against him on just how he ruins every minorities' lives growing up trying to get a good education.


Also someone on The View defending Biden's poor performance.
 

Eidan

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Oct 30, 2017
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You know, I'm still blown away- why the fuck did Joe Biden think it was a good idea to deflect criticism of his record on busing as a state or local issue? What did Biden defenders say in the media about that?

I was surprised that Biden seemed completely incapable of just saying, "I was wrong." His refusal to admit any kind of fault, even in this environment, was downright Trumpian.
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hickenlooper's a one issue candidate it appears, and it's a stupid issue. Him demanding everyone on stage denounce socialism while a self-declared Democratic Socialist is front and center in the stage and among the frontrunners was just moronic and out of touch. Never mind that it's demolished with extreme ease, and I wish someone would point it out; it doesn't matter who the nominee is or what their policies are or even what they say about the exact subject. Trump, the GOP and Fox will all call them "socialist" and say they want "open borders". You could nominate the moldy corpse of Reagan and they'd call it socialist.
 

Tamanon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Eh, it's even more hollow for either of the guys who voted for the crime bill to talk about her being a prosecutor.
 

Christian

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I don't see why people think Warren isn't an effective speaker/communicator or couldn't hold her own with Trump. I think it's just vestiges of the Pocahontas episode. If you've seen her recently, you'd see she is pretty damn good.

I think a ticket with Warren/Harris would be very strong, and a resounding fuck you to chauvinist establishment types.

Anyone that thinks Warren couldn't handle Trump hasn't seen her in hearings, grilling bank and corporate executives and humiliating them.
 

Snowy

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Nov 11, 2017
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Trump plays by a different set of rules than any other competitor. Hillary absolutely beat him on substance in the debates, but he arguably "won" the lot of them, in terms of long-term electoral success, with the "You'd be in jail" line.

Success in these debates, or at grilling executive lizards in Congress, will not necessarily transfer to "wiping the floor" with Trump on a debate stage.
 

Bliman

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Anyone that thinks Warren couldn't handle Trump hasn't seen her in hearings, grilling bank and corporate executives and humiliating them.
Do you have a link of that and was that on even footing or was she in a superior position then? Because I have never seen her debating convincingly.
 

Eidan

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Oct 30, 2017
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I love Warren, but I can absolutely see her getting flustered in a debate with Trump in a way that I just could never see happening with Harris. I'd pay good money to see her eviscerate him.
 

ody

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Oct 25, 2017
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Castro is pretty questionable when actually put under a microscope. He had a superficially nice debate night but I wouldn't rush to have him on a ticket just yet.
Do you have any specifics?
I definitely need to do more research on Castro but I'm finding him more favorable after the debate and looking at his responses from NYT's candidate interviews.
 

XMonkey

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Oct 26, 2017
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I don't think debates in the general are as important nowadays as they're being made out to be, particularly with how polarized the country is right now.

(Primary debates are still very important, for obvious reasons)
 

LGHT_TRSN

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't agree with calling her a cop either, but I mean the criticism directed at her record as a prosecutor.

I never claimed to have an issue with discussing her record as a prosecutor. I have an issue with white people who have probably never had a bad police encounter in their lives degrading a black woman who grew up in Oakland by calling her a "cop," especially when she's not the only prosecutor on the stage, nor is she close to being the worst offender of supporting policies that have hurt black communities. It's gross.
 

Masseyme

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May 23, 2019
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Kamala being a cop is a super positive thing in the general election. She just needs to make it there.

Also, cop vs criminal as an underlying theme of the election would work for this season.


The people that this would be positive for would do Harris, a black woman no favors. And being in law enforcement is a non starter for alot of minorities. I like Harris but she has a long way to go to prevent people from just sitting out another election.
 

Bradbatross

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Mar 17, 2018
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According to Morning Consult, Biden lost 6% after the first debate. I can't wait to see how much he lost after the 2nd.
 

Eidan

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Oct 30, 2017
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The people that this would be positive for would do Harris, a black woman no favors. And being in law enforcement is a non starter for alot of minorities. I like Harris but she has a long way to go to prevent people from just sitting out another election.
I think a lot of you are going to be in for a rude awakening when you realize that working in law enforcement isn't a non-starter for many black voters.
 

Bliman

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Because he comes from the military that is something that gives moderates on the right comfort. But he is against wars and is someone who is credible because he fought in them which pleases the left side. He also has great school credentials.
He speaks very calmly and presidential which the moderates like.
He is gay and knows all the hardships which come with that (certainly in the US). He knows all the struggles around that. This is coming over very well on the left side on the party. Because they know that he is one of them and has experience on that side, and that he would fight for them.
He also looks like someone who can be trusted. He is neither so left as Sanders and left of Biden (which isn't difficult).
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I never claimed to have an issue with discussing her record as a prosecutor. I have an issue with white people who have probably never had a bad police encounter in their lives degrading a black woman who grew up in Oakland by calling her a "cop," especially when she's not the only prosecutor on the stage, nor is she close to being the worst offender of supporting policies that have hurt black communities. It's gross.

Not sure this means what you think it means. No one is talking about Steve Bullock's past as an AG precisely because nobody thinks he means anything to this race.
 

Masseyme

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May 23, 2019
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I think a lot of you are going to be in for a rude awakening when you realize that working in law enforcement isn't a non-starter for many black voters.


I've seen hate and disdain for Harris that I can only compare to Hillary. Maybe even more because she's supposed to be one of us. The prosecutor record and unfortunately her choice of partner just throws her out of line with the current black agenda imo but I'd love to be wrong.
 

Eidan

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Oct 30, 2017
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I've seen hate and disdain for Harris that I can only compare to Hillary. Maybe even more because she's supposed to be one of us. The prosecutor record and unfortunately her choice of partner just throws her out of line with the current black agenda imo but I'd love to be wrong.
And I've mostly seen admiration, but then again I don't spend much time on social media.

That said, I do absolutely think Russian trolls and the alt-right will attempt to play up the "Kamala is a COP" shit in an attempt to suppress the black vote. I just don't think it will be nearly as effective as the think.
 

LGHT_TRSN

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Oct 25, 2017
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She called herself CA's top cop.

Y'all drop it.

Where's her badge? She a member of a local police union?

You wanna discuss her decisions as DA, go for it. But let's stop this reductionist name-calling garbage.

Not sure this means what you think it means. No one is talking about Steve Bullock's past as an AG precisely because nobody thinks he means anything to this race.

How about Biden and Bernie then? The crime bill did more damage to those communities than Harris ever possibly could as a DA.
 

nitekrawler

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Oct 28, 2017
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I loved watching Kamala dominate everyone. From commanding to speak on the topic of race to herding the group of cats that were our nominees. She really displays strength and leadership in a way that I think would naturally overcome the petty faux strength that Trump tries to exude. Cop vs Robber would make a great election theme. I'm really glad both my favorite candidates(Warren and Harris) had great nights on the stage.
 

Blue Skies

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Mar 27, 2019
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I loved watching Kamala dominate everyone. From commanding to speak on the topic of race to herding the group of cats that were our nominees. She really displays strength and leadership in a way that I think would naturally overcome the petty faux strength that Trump tries to exude. Cop vs Robber would make a great election theme. I'm really glad both my favorite candidates(Warren and Harris) had great nights on the stage.

Cop vs Robber is such a nice way to put it

Hmmmmmmmmmmm
As the day goes on, the more I'm believing the possibility of her being the nominee and eventual president.
 

Loan Wolf

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Nov 9, 2017
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I'm still voting for Warren for the primary but Harris definitely skyrocketed herself as my third favorite behind Buttigieg.
 

nitekrawler

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Oct 28, 2017
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Cop vs Robber is such a nice way to put it

Hmmmmmmmmmmm
As the day goes on, the more I'm believing the possibility of her being the nominee and eventual president.

I don't think anyone is even factoring in the long shadow of California being moved up to Super Tuesday. Because it may take a month to tally the votes she could be in the headlines for weeks after. Even though Warren is my first choice it's hard not to think of the advantages and strengths Harris brings to the narrative.
 

Googleplex

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Oct 25, 2017
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Neither Biden nor Sanders were ever a prosecutor.

Yes! She helped put murderers rapists and child molesters in jail how fucking dare she!

The pure ignorance and arrogance for this post astounding. The pure stupidity of:

1. Trying to place the entirety of the failings of the criminal justice system on one Black woman's shoulders.

And

2. Seeing the black community through the lens of people who only experience with criminal justice is as criminals and forgetting the we are also many times the fucking victims. Who need More Kamala Harris's in the system being our advocates. In a broken ass system.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Yes! She helped put murderers rapists and child molesters in jail how fucking dare she!

The pure ignorance and arrogance for this post astounding. The pure stupidity of:

1. Trying to place the entirety of the failings of the criminal justice system on one Black woman's shoulders.

And

2. Seeing the black community through the lens of people who only experience with criminal justice is as criminals and forgetting the we are also many times the fucking victims. Who need More Kamala Harris's in the system being our advocates. In a broken ass system.

You're reading way too much into this one.